My Problem With Sim Players

[AllStarDaDon]

Re: My Problem With Sim Players

I understand what AllStar is saying about the timeouts; in two of the leagues I'm involved in the sliders have been tweaked for the players to tire much faster than usual. This forces owners to play their bench and it also deters them from abusing turbo.
That point leads me to my two cents on this "sim" matter: I'm in three "sim" leagues online, One allows turbo to be used basically anytime; another allows it to be tapped when going around a pick, after a defender is beat to go in for a dunk, or when pushing the ball after a turnover or if the opponent is pressing; and the third league only allows when pushing the ball after turnovers or right at the rim for a dunk, there is absolutely no using turbo in the halfcourt set.
It would seem that the last two leagues are stuffy, stifling, and everyone plays the same, but nothing could be more removed from the truth. Without turbo abuse, the emphasis on plays becomes much more important; for instance did anyone know that the play 1-4 Full in the '98 Jazz playbook has like 8 different options! You could run that play several times in a quarter and end up with different players taking good shots.
After finding the "sim" leagues with turbo restrictions, I almost want to quit the league without it because most of its owners play similar; the most overused offensive series involves setting a pick somewhere on the court, turboing in an arch around the pick, then shooting an uncontested midrange jumpshot.
But it comes back to what Coach 2K was saying, not everyone is on the same level when it comes to playing in a particular manner. I for one love to run plays and play others that love to run plays.

Interesting post.

That's why I can't play in leagues there's to many rules. I'm not in no way bashing the leagues that you're in but I couldn't play in a league that bands turbo. Just because it's not realistic. How can the commissioner of a league band turbo? That's like David Stern telling Ty Lawson "hey when you have the chance to push the ball make sure you dont run to fast, move at steady pace to give the defense time to recover.

In the NBA if a player wants to use "turbo" meaning increasing the speed they move laterally there going to do it. I just find it ridiculous that they would ban that, if someone wants to push the tempo in real life by moving as fast as they can they have the ability to.

I just can respect sim leagues that have rules, because they ban things to make the game easier for them to succeed.

Again no knock on how you and your friends play bro.

When I play someone I just ask for to things
1)Respect the game of basketball(meaning no cheesey BS, exploits etc)
2)Call timeouts
3)Watch free throws so I could do my subs and follow the teams real life rotation.

Well, maybe I stereotyped you as a certain type of person without knowing who you are.

Point I'm trying to make is though, so many different people play the game for different reasons. Not every wants to be SIM. I don't see the point in judging people and getting angry at them for it. Yeah, I don't like playing cheesers either, but I just stay away.

The thing is, there are plenty of games, eg. Goldeneye, where people don't play for realism or accuracy or anything, they just wanna speed run and beat times and find glitches and exploit them and have fun. I know this is a sports game and it's different. But tbh, I have friends who like to have FIFA tournaments and noone cares about replicating the sport properly. Otherwise they would have to play 45 mins per half. They put it on 5 minute halfs of something, and take crazy shots and are elated if they can win 7-2 or so in 10 minute halfs.

I'm not saying that this is an ideal way to be. We also have to respect people like yourself and myself (to a lesser degree) who want to replicate realism. But to hate on people for wanting something different is stupid IMO. Not everyone is as serious about the game. Let them have their fun with it, and just stay away from them.

I'm sure the "fake sim" people you're referring to aren't that bothered about calling timeouts more often or whatever. And if you think that they DO care about being more realistic, then address your message to them in a way that's not confrontational, otherwise you're gonna get people saying things like "wow, tell us how good are you really are!" like you did.

Again, you have to realise that there are lots of players (actually, I think the MAJORITY of the consumer market) that just play games FOR FUN. I think the hardcore sim heads are actually a minority in the consumer maket. There are sites like SDA (speed demo archives) where people just try to beat games as fast as possible ie. setting world records for completing levels on Goldeneye. They usually finish with an accuracy of like 10% because they're using shooting glitches to speed up, but they don't care. They care about the CHALLENGE of trying to push a game to it's limits.

Likewise, there are probably similar people who just want to score as many points as possible with Melo online. They don't care about realism. They just want to set a record. Or they want to see the most points they can physically score in one game. It's cheese, yeah. And I don't do it. But I understand that there is a whole world of people who don't have the same goals.

Basically, your expectations are way too high. You enter a random pool of player matchups online and expect people to not skip cutscenes, call timeouts. You either need to accept that this isn't the way everyone plays, or you need to create your own league and play within your own rules. Bashing the majority of people who don't have the same rules and values governing how they spend their free time with their game is stupid. And if you DO have a league and you're aiming this at the people within it, you should really be more specific, or create this message somewhere privately.

I see that you're not familiar with my post on this forum at all. I never play quick matches online, never. In 12 months with a 2K game? I probably play no more then 6 ranked matches.

Everyone on this forum who are familiar with my post or have seen my post knows I don't play ranked matches. I'm always the one convincing people who are sim players to stay away from quick matches because they complain about the bull**** they see in quick matches. I just never understood how a sim players expects going into a quick match expecting some type of sim, realistic basketball to be played. It's just foolish.

You don't think I let the people know who I play about this? When I play this game 85% of the time I'm on the mic in a xbox party with the person I always say "Yo can you call some timeouts" or "Yo can you stop skipping your freethrow routines I'm trying to make subs"

Lol seriously? Oh man why is vni getting involved? True, this isn't a public forum or anything.

AllStar isn't being stubborn here, sir. He didn't make a thread calling out all players, he called out sim heads. He knows there are casual gamers. Now for the people who aren't hardcore sim like myself, I still see his point completely because he's going the extra mile to make it as realistic as possible. Everyone has their issues with people and their play style. His is just at a more advanced level.

I honestly play 6 min quarters and try to assume all stats are cut in half because I don't want to spend 90 minutes in one game. But I try to imitate players as much as possible and run the sets those teams run and still run a normal rotation as opposed to making line changes like its hockey at the end of a quarter. However, I got nothing but respect for someone that takes the realism all the way down to the last detail. I'm certainly not going to insult someone for trying to make the game better.

Thank you.

I addressed specifically in the tittle of my thread who I was aiming my post at. I specifically said sim heads.

The reason why I made this thread is because I constantly get friend request on xbox from guys on this forum asking for me to play them. Then I play them and I see they arent calling timeouts, there skipping free throws while im trying to do my subs and I'm like just like wow.

And a 12 minute game doesn't take 90 minutes to finish. IDK where you people get that from. The average 12 minute game takes no longer then 45-50. Especially if you guys skip through cut scences(I really dont care as much when people skip cut scenes as much as i do free throw routines and not calling timeouts)

People are always saying 12 minute games 90 minutes no it doesn't even when I play my more hardcore sim heads and we watch all the FT routines, cut scenes etc it takes no longer then 60 minutes.

I just want the feeling of a real NBA game a hard fought 48 minutes of basketball, with coaching is that hard to ask for?

Haha, ok. First thing...You seem to have this assumption that this forum is full of 100% hardcore sim heads. Maybe back in 2005 or so you were right, not any more.

I don't disagree with SIM at all. I'm saying, why moan about it here? Why not do something, like create a league?

How does he know the people he's playing online are even FROM OS?! You know there are millions of people who play this game who don't visit this forum don't you? And if he is specifically making sure he plays certain people from this forum because he wants a sim experience, why not put this message towards them people in particular? Or as I've had to say again and again....create a private league? That's what most sim heads have been doing here for years. That's why you don't see the big players moaning on the forum. Because they carefully select who they play against and set rules to abide by. This isnt the ONLINE LEAGUE forum, this is the general forum.

And yes, it's a public forum. So what's wrong with MY opinon, as opposed to vni's?

Any to say he's trying to make the game better...it's going to go over most peoples heads. You need to be selective in who you play, and tell those people the rules. Like I said, if he's playing random matchups online, 99% of the people he will play against won't even READ this post, let alone this forum. And if he's not playing random matchups, and he IS carefully selecting his players, why isn't he addressing to them? Like, in a PM? Or in a topic specifically about HIS LEAGUE?

Again I know exactly who I'm addressing and I only play people from OS.

I'm not trying to help people get better? Do you know how much countless threads I made trying to give tips advice etc? Do you know how much lab sessions I did with guys from this forum to help improve their defense, isomotion and offense? Do you know how much times I posted on this forum with informative videos breaking down basketball and 2K basketball with in depth information? Again I could see that you're not familiar with my post.

2 possible solutions to your problem
1. go outside and play real basketball
2. calm down its a videogame

You couldn't think of a more intelligent response?

If I want to play basketball outside i'll call up the homies and play real basketball outside.

If I want to play sim in a video game that's made for simulating real life basketball imma do exactly that. Ok bye and thank you :waves:

I don't see what's wrong with his view of the game. I don't think we'd see that type of 'its just a video game' argument on a flight simulator's forum or Arma's forum or whatever simulation's game. I think that just shows that most people play the game casually (wich is nothing wrong).

Did you guys feel offended by his post? Because you know it's aimed at me too and i didn't feel offended. I sometimes break the free throw routine of my players, I sometimes am too lazy to call a timeout etc. But really Allstardadon ain't a boring type of sim players, he also ain't shy in helping you to get better. He's just hardcore and I can understand his frustration.

So really I don't think people should be offended by his post at all he's just voicing his opinion, he ain't hating. If you don't know him at all though I can see where you guys are coming from.

Anyway I love how all theses arguments are meaning less on a universe's scale yet we're very passionate about it. Nothing wrong with that, no harm or anger on my side guys.

Thank you.

I'm a hardcore 2K gamer I like to play like what I see on TV what;s wrong with that? I have nothing against casual players, I don't play them and that's just that. The only casual 2K gamers I play are my homies in real life. When I play them I don't expect them to play sim because I already know they have no idea about and no in depth knowledge of real basketball.

Thank you I'm just voicing my opinion. I just don't understand how people are sim but don't call timeouts. I just don't get it that's just basic basketball teams makes a run call a timeout to stop there momentum. Then it's the same guys that come here complaining the game is broken, or defense it's broken, it's impossible to stop points in the paint to easy for offenses to score when really it's their fault. If they would learn how to call a timeout then they could stop my momentum 3 pointers, dunks, shots, blocks on defense etc.

[AdamBa17]

Re: My Problem With Sim Players

Ok, I gotta stand up and say that I messed up then. I didn't know about your previous postings. Respect to you for responding like a man and not a child.

[alabamarob]

Re: My Problem With Sim Players

There are only about 10 to 15 guys on the xbox360 that will play a fair a game, and can also accept a loss. That is how I take this thread. No one is going to play exactly how you want them to play, and all competition breeds a certain amount of irritation and frustration with the opponent.

1)The key is to accept your loss as a man, 2) don't use exploits, and 3) throw different topics, pointers and issues to each other to make the game more realistic (if you like a realistic game).

Discussion is always a good thing, and forums and topics like these are good food for thought. The significance of timeouts and free throw routines is but an example of things that may add to the realisim of the game. We should all be able to consider, give out and take advice from each other, without people taking it personal.

[tetoleetd]

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Why would I pause the game to make subs? When I pause, it stops you from shooting your free throws, stops the game clock meaning were making the game longer in real time then it needs to be.

If people watched their free throw routines theres no need to pause the game making the game longer to finish, I would be able to make my subs as they shoot their free throws and keep the game going instead of frequent pauses.



Great post man.

Yeah theres alot more coaching that can be done in this game then people realize. Matchups, momentum stopping timeouts etc. If your opponent hasn't scored in 5 minutes and they finally make a shot, call a timeout to stop the little momentum they just gained from that made shot.

If I'm playing with the Wolves and my opponent has the Mavericks. Instead of having Kevin Love guard Dirk, who's a stretch 4, I make Kevin Love guard Chris Kaman who's more of a back to the basket big man then Dirk. Dirk being a stretch 4 is more on the perimeter. Kevin Love who's best attribute is rebounding is loosing out on rebounds by guarding Dirk who's plays away from the basket, so I have Love guarding Kaman who plays closer to the basket, which puts Kevin Love in decent/good positioning for rebounding. You know how much rebounding effects a game.

When I face a score first PG like Rose, Westbrook, Lillard etc I usually have my SG or SF on them. So I would literally have my PG guarding my oppoents SF while my SG or SF guards my opponents scoring PG. People are to stupid to realize they have the mismatch in the post with my PG on their SG or SF, but people don't take the time to read the court when they play this game and understand from a coaching point of view to attack my PG guarding their Forward in the post. Or just attack them in general because the have a size matchups.

If I see my opponent has a lineup out there with no outside shooting, I'm straight zoning them until they adjust and put shooters in the game to stop the zone.

If I see my opponent has a line up with nothing but shooters on the court on defense I'm using the dpad option of pressuring the shooters. Not even giving them a chance to think about shooting the ball.

During the last 3 minutes of game I change my defensive dpad strategy to constant pressure. Because during the last 3 minutes of the game I want my defense aggressive against my opponents making them uncomfortable, having to work hard for every shot and putting relentless pressure on them in a already pressured environment, especially if I'm on the road.

I get away with slick coaching like this because people just dont have the mindset of a coach to realize what I'm doing.

That's the best response you could come up with? I'm emotionally attached to this game I need a new hobby? You seriously couldn't think of a more intelligent response? Was that joke suppose to be funny? I didn't laugh I didn't even smirk. Failed attempt at comedy by you.

Yeah it's a game but as 2K says there a simulation game meaning there trying to simulate NBA basketball. So im the over emotionally attached gamer because I want to play sim the way the game was made to be played?

it takes 10 seconds tops to pause it and make subs. you're argument about it is really trivial.

are you one of those people that just has to speed by someone on the road, only to have to stop at a red light 3 seconds later? in such a hurry to get nowhere, thats what you sound like.

[thelakeshow]

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I don't see what's wrong with his view of the game. I don't think we'd see that type of 'its just a video game' argument on a flight simulator's forum or Arma's forum or whatever simulation's game. I think that just shows that most people play the game casually (wich is nothing wrong).

Did you guys feel offended by his post? Because you know it's aimed at me too and i didn't feel offended. I sometimes break the free throw routine of my players, I sometimes am too lazy to call a timeout etc. But really Allstardadon ain't a boring type of sim players, he also ain't shy in helping you to get better. He's just hardcore and I can understand his frustration.

So really I don't think people should be offended by his post at all he's just voicing his opinion, he ain't hating. If you don't know him at all though I can see where you guys are coming from.

Anyway I love how all theses arguments are meaning less on a universe's scale yet we're very passionate about it. Nothing wrong with that, no harm or anger on my side guys.

I for one am not offended. I agreed with alot of what he said. Maybe I'm not offended because I don't consider myself a sim or casual player. I just like to play 2k without using exploits or "cheesing". I don't fastbreak on every possesion or run around the court trying to the basket on every play. I use my timeouts effectively, I make coaching and match adjustments and I will try my best to keep my opponent from scoring. If I lose, I lose. And I will continue to play against you until I can beat you.

It sounds like a lot of people just disagreed with some of the stuff the AllStar stated. I believe alot of people understand where he's coming from, especially about using timeouts effectively and making coaching adjustments. But most people do not want to watch the free throw routines or cutscenes or play 12 min quarter vs matches. I for one can't stand watching the cutscenes. I can't even stand tv timeouts during a real game. I hear most coaches and players wish there weren't any TV timeouts. It can definately mess with the flow of the game. I believe most sim gamers play 2k how they believe 2k should be played and how they believe the NBA should be played today. So if players are not calling tv timeouts and they are skipping the free throw routines are the cutscenes, then they probably wish real NBA basketball was like that and there weren't any tv timeouts or tv commercials. Yes it maybe part of the live NBA tv Broadcast, but it's one thing they would do without and it doesn't take away the one thing nba2k gamers can agree with. That they love the game of basketball.

The "maybe you should go outside and play real basketball" or the "tell us how good you are" comments come from the last two statements he made. It sounds like he saying to all sim players that, "Me and ECworldwide truly understand NBA offenses, we can pick up any team and run plays without playvision, its easy and why can't you" and "playing as a team that you never played as before, is not an real excuse". That's what got most people. I think JasonWilliams put it best when he said...

Also the excuse of "I don't know the plays" is somewhat true, if you only run with say OKC, if you then go play with ORL, sure you might have some understanding of the play names (to figure out what to do) but it also still means that you don't know their plays by heart and that's why the excuse gets thrown around. I understand both sides and really don't care as long as you play basketball I'm good. I don't care if you run real team specific plays or if you run PNR all day, its your choice, just keep it to real basketball, not glitching, etc.

Most people on this site would agree with what JasonWilliams55 said. Saying that "if you truly understand NBA offense, you don't need a diagram to tell you where to go," is kind of off. Most people believe to do that, you would need study alot of teams playbooks. Which takes time and days of practice to learn. Which alot of people can't afford. That's why your going to get the "maybe you should go outside and play real basketball" or the "tell us how good you are" comments.

[TheBallZ]

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it takes 10 seconds tops to pause it and make subs. you're argument about it is really trivial.

are you one of those people that just has to speed by someone on the road, only to have to stop at a red light 3 seconds later? in such a hurry to get nowhere, thats what you sound like.

I bet he puts ranch dressing on his pizza too.

[Streaky McFloorburn]

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And a 12 minute game doesn't take 90 minutes to finish. IDK where you people get that from. The average 12 minute game takes no longer then 45-50. Especially if you guys skip through cut scences(I really dont care as much when people skip cut scenes as much as i do free throw routines and not calling timeouts)

People are always saying 12 minute games 90 minutes no it doesn't even when I play my more hardcore sim heads and we watch all the FT routines, cut scenes etc it takes no longer then 60 minutes.

I know time flies when you're having fun, but I think you may need a new timekeeping method.

Could you please explain how you fit 48 minutes of minimum running clock into 45, or even 60? Even with highlight replays turned off, quarter breaks and halftime skipped, all cutscenes and overlays dismissed asap, no timeouts called and no fouls commited - there will still be enough clock stoppages and slow ref handoffs to push it close to an hour. A 12 minute quarter MyCareer game can take an hour with all bench time fast-forwarded through and everything possible skipped.

Please don't undermine your completely valid and awesome points... or if you really know how to bend time like that, won't you share your secret?

[westfl87]

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^lmao.. You ain't Neva lied.. I thought he knew I didn't kno..

[woody2goody]

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I play 10 min quarters and a game takes between 60-70 mins.

You know, the first post sounded whiny and arrogant, but once the OP explained it in a bit more detail, he has some good points and is obviously a fair player.

Now I would annoy the heck out of him if I played him because I struggle with running plays. If I used a team for the first time I would have no idea what the plays are, however I always play the right way, and I think as long as you do that, it doesn't matter if you are a 'true' sim player or not.

I like to play at a fairly sedate pace, I think part of that is because I've only really been watching basketball properly for a couple of years. Even though I've played the games for nearly 10 years now, I watched tons of games last year for the first time, both in NBA and NCAA, and I'm really starting to understand why certain plays are effective. It's an amazing game, because if you watch it for the first time it looks a bit haphazard and unstrategic, but if you watch a few games, the nuances and tactics really come in to play, and that's what I love about basketball.

If an opponent runs around constantly driving to the basket or fast breaking on every play, don't moan about them because with the right gameplay settings they will get tired and either have to bring in their bench or become ineffective. Just try your best to play good defense, not foul too much and hopefully they will commit silly turnovers and the game will come to you.

When I started playing 2k basketball ('07 I believe), I always used to make subs via the pause menu, but these days I use some quick subs and timeouts to get the job done.

I say as long as you play FAIRLY, it's not that important how you play. If an opponent is exploiting something, adjust your game and stop it. Yes, it might not be ideal, but if you win it will be satisfying nonetheless.

Good thread apart from the usual few people coming in and slagging someone off for no reason.

[AllStarDaDon]

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I know time flies when you're having fun, but I think you may need a new timekeeping method.

Could you please explain how you fit 48 minutes of minimum running clock into 45, or even 60? Even with highlight replays turned off, quarter breaks and halftime skipped, all cutscenes and overlays dismissed asap, no timeouts called and no fouls commited - there will still be enough clock stoppages and slow ref handoffs to push it close to an hour. A 12 minute quarter MyCareer game can take an hour with all bench time fast-forwarded through and everything possible skipped.

Please don't undermine your completely valid and awesome points... or if you really know how to bend time like that, won't you share your secret?

You're right.

I did exaggerate the time being short I'm not even going to front, because me and my boys are used to the long quarter lengths. It's to the point where we look up and realize were at half time, or were on the mic and were like damn yo these games go by fast.

But truthfully the games are no longer then 60-70 minutes.

But to the poster a few post back knowing the plays isn't really hard for me. Mainly because I know the basic in the NBA offenses I know if I'm calling a Horns play I have to make a past to the high post, or if I call a pinch post play I have to make a pass into the pinch post play to initate the play and get the rest going, if I call a floppy someone is going to run off a staggard screen, pin down or a single double, if I call a 1-4 I know that I have to make the pass to the top of the arc.

Again it's easy to me and my boys because we understand the basics of the offenses and sets we run, because we watch alot of NBA basketball.

[woody2goody]

You're right.

I did exaggerate the time being short I'm not even going to front, because me and my boys are used to the long quarter lengths. It's to the point where we look up and realize were at half time, or were on the mic and were like damn yo these games go by fast.

But truthfully the games are no longer then 60-70 minutes.

But to the poster a few post back knowing the plays isn't really hard for me. Mainly because I know the basic in the NBA offenses I know if I'm calling a Horns play I have to make a past to the high post, or if I call a pinch post play I have to make a pass into the pinch post play to initate the play and get the rest going, if I call a floppy someone is going to run off a staggard screen, pin down or a single double, if I call a 1-4 I know that I have to make the pass to the top of the arc.

Again it's easy to me and my boys because we understand the basics of the offenses and sets we run, because we watch alot of NBA basketball.

That's the thing mate, things like that are easy if you know them I need to change my playbook!

I ran a few basic set plays in 2k11 which seemed to work for me so I think I just need to put some time into it.

When I watch basketball these days I can see offensive and defensive schemes but not what every player is doing if that makes sense. I can run the pick and roll fairly well now which I used to have bother with a few years ago lol.

[thelakeshow]

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But to the poster a few post back knowing the plays isn't really hard for me. Mainly because I know the basic in the NBA offenses I know if I'm calling a Horns play I have to make a past to the high post, or if I call a pinch post play I have to make a pass into the pinch post play to initate the play and get the rest going, if I call a floppy someone is going to run off a staggard screen, pin down or a single double, if I call a 1-4 I know that I have to make the pass to the top of the arc.

Again it's easy to me and my boys because we understand the basics of the offenses and sets we run, because we watch alot of NBA basketball.

Everyone understands you watch a lot of NBA basketball. No one can deny you on that. The basics of a NBA offense or playbook are different from what a lot of other people understand as the basics of a NBA offense or playbook to be. I was a football player growing up and never really played organized basketball. I have always enjoyed basketball growing up and I played the occasional pickup game every now and then. I played NBA2k since the first game came out on the Dreamcast. I've been a 2k diehard ever sense. In the past 5-6 years I have started to watch a lot more basketball. I try to catch ever Laker game and the occasional matchup that intrigues me. I have NBA League Pass so I can watch any game I want. I see basics of a basketball offense as screen, post, cut, spot up, iso, stuff like that. But words like single double, pinch post play, pin down is a lot more advanced to me. I do understand matchups, player’s strengths and weaknesses, teams style of play ect. I know where pretty much every NBA player went to college, what team they play for and what position they play. But some of the terminology you just used went over my head. When you explained some of them, it makes total sense. But when you say words like single double, I'm like .

I'm guessing that you played some kind of organized basketball in high school or college. What I'm trying to say is, a lot of people never had the privilege of playing organized basketball. So, what may come off as basic to you, may not be basic to other people. Most people just want to live out there dreams of playing professional basketball in the virtual 2k world. Yes playvision is a crutch and we all could learn to play without it. But most of us need that crutch. Especially to have any chance of beating someone like you.

<O<OI believe you're on my friends list. Anytime I see that you're online, you are mostly either playing 2k, on youtube, or on that NBA Gametime/League pass app. I believe you once said that you watch youtube clips of certain players or offenses, notice that they pulled off a certain move or play to score, then you jump on 2k and see if you can replicate it and master it in practice. That is some very advance sh!t. lol.

<OThat's probably one of the reasons why I haven't played you, because I know I need a lot more experience to complete with players of your stature. Plus the score would be something like 50-23 after the first half. And you said earlier in the forum that after you go on a run, and the other team makes one basket, that you will call a time out just to stop the other teams momentum. Playing you would definitely make me a better player. But beating someone by 30-40 points is not fun to me, so I don't believe it would be fun to you.

[woody2goody]

Everyone understands you watch a lot of NBA basketball. No one can deny you on that. The basics of a NBA offense or playbook are different from what a lot of other people understand as the basics of a NBA offense or playbook to be. I was a football player growing up and never really played organized basketball. I have always enjoyed basketball growing up and I played the occasional pickup game every now and then. I played NBA2k since the first game came out on the Dreamcast. I've been a 2k diehard ever sense. In the past 5-6 years I have started to watch a lot more basketball. I try to catch ever Laker game and the occasional matchup that intrigues me. I have NBA League Pass so I can watch any game I want. I see basics of a basketball offense as screen, post, cut, spot up, iso, stuff like that. But words like single double, pinch post play, pin down is a lot more advanced to me. I do understand matchups, player’s strengths and weaknesses, teams style of play ect. I know where pretty much every NBA player went to college, what team they play for and what position they play. But some of the terminology you just used went over my head. When you explained some of them, it makes total sense. But when you say words like single double, I'm like .<O</O
I'm guessing that you played some kind of organized basketball in high school or college. What I'm trying to say is, a lot of people never had the privilege of playing organized basketball. So, what may come off as basic to you, may not be basic to other people. Most people just want to live out there dreams of playing professional basketball in the virtual 2k world. Yes playvision is a crutch and we all could learn to play without it. But most of us need that crutch. Especially to have any chance of beating someone like you.<O></O>
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I believe you're on my friends list. Anytime I see that you're online, you are mostly either playing 2k, on youtube, or on that NBA Gametime/League pass app. I believe you once said that you watch youtube clips of certain players or offenses, notice that they pulled off a certain move or play to score, then you jump on 2k and see if you can replicate it and master it in practice. That is some very advance sh!t. <O></O>
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That's probably one of the reasons why I haven't played you, because I know I need a lot more experience to complete with players of your stature. Plus the score would be something like 50-23 after the first half. And you said earlier in the forum that after you go on a run, and the other team makes one basket, that you will call a time out just to stop the other teams momentum. Playing you would definitely make me a better player. But beating someone by 30-40 points is not fun to me, so I don't believe it would be fun to you.

I agree with that, wouldn't know a Horns play if it but me on the backside. I am from England though so there have to be some allowances

Unfortunately I don't watch as much basketball nowadays because I start work earlier and don't get to stay up til 3 to watch a game. I occasionally catch NBA Tonight on ESPN though and that gives me a fix every now and again.

[thelakeshow]

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I agree with that, wouldn't know a Horns play if it but me on the backside. I am from England though so there have to be some allowances

Unfortunately I don't watch as much basketball nowadays because I start work earlier and don't get to stay up til 3 to watch a game. I occasionally catch NBA Tonight on ESPN though and that gives me a fix every now and again.

Lol. We all speak english though. The only thing I think of when I think of horns, is horns on an animal or the devil. That's it.

I have the same problem with watching football (soccer) games. I live on the west coast, so there's an 8 hour time difference. To watch the early morning games I would have to get up at 5 in the morning. On a weekday, forget about it. I can only get away with being on this website at work.

You should try getting NBA League Pass Broadband. With it, you can watch any regionally televised NBA game you want on your computer. Plust there's an app on the xbox where you can watch them on your 360 instead of your computer. Plus they save all the replays of games, just incase you can't watch it live. They have 3 different plans you can choose from. I'm not sure if you have access to it because you live in the UK, but I wouldn't understand why not. The prices are like $160 and under.

[woody2goody]

You can get the league pass here, I got MLB TV a couple of years ago and that was brilliant.

There are plenty of televised games on ESPN, it's just having the time to watch them!

Back to the topic of sim basketball though, and it's amazing just how many things you see in 2k that you see in real life. I'm not sure if there was a Little Things Thread for this like there was for The Show but there are some great things which serve to immerse you more in the game.

Player-specific commentary is something I have always loved, and though repetitive over an 82-game season, if you play 29 like me you hear a lot of different things during a season.

Sometimes letting a time out run the full
minute just to let the commentators finish their discussion is a great little thing. Another reason why the OP must enjoy this style of play a lot. I can see why, it gives the game room to breathe and go at its own pace.