Sim and Defense online this year? Not seeing it at all.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Sim and Defense online this year? Not seeing it at all.

how do i do that again? do i go in control settings and turn on "auto contest"? i wonder why they didn't have it turned on by default like last year.

will i pick up more fouls inside with this compared to using right stick "hands up"?

Options - My Controller - Controller Settings

Its at the bottom

Also, don't be afraid to make a well timed jump...2k13 kindve trained us not to...but ball tracking actually works this year...

[jersez]

Re: Sim and Defense online this year? Not seeing it at all.

Jersez,

Who was shooting those threes Kobe lol? They lowered Kobe's three rating in that roster update. The guys who force it one person over and over will eventually go cold especially if you are playing good defense. I think the 3pt% is too high overall, the mid range is a bit too high too. I am not only talking online but offline as well.

Nash, Meek, Young. I took kobe out the game because he put him on Rose LOL, and I just basically went at kobe got him into foul trouble, and the reaching fouls didn't hurt. He had 5 fouls I believe.

Yeah me personally, I thought the same thing too about FG% on jumpers being to high but then I looked back on some games, and realized I was playing bad defense.

Also i don't play on Auto contest.

[Stargyallis]

Re: Sim and Defense online this year? Not seeing it at all.

Im so far 7-0 online with the Houston Rockets. They really nerfed Dwight but jeremy lin can somewhat shoot now which helps. Chandler parsons seems to mis so many open shots. I love blocking dunks with Howard though and sometimes even lin!

Making 3s in this game seem to be easier, with the new spacing The Knicks are just so overpowered, I refuse to face them and the heat cause lebron is an unguardable force and can now shoot better than 3/4 of this game......

By the way why is james hardens 3 only at 81 and mid 78 yet lebron is 85 and 85?

[stillfeelme]

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Im so far 7-0 online with the Houston Rockets. They really nerfed Dwight but jeremy lin can somewhat shoot now which helps. Chandler parsons seems to mis so many open shots. I love blocking dunks with Howard though and sometimes even lin!

Making 3s in this game seem to be easier, with the new spacing The Knicks are just so overpowered, I refuse to face them and the heat cause lebron is an unguardable force and can now shoot better than 3/4 of this game......

By the way why is james hardens 3 only at 81 and mid 78 yet lebron is 85 and 85?

Not this again Harden is a below average mid range shooter, LeBron is an above average mid range shooter. Harden 37% from 3 LeBron 41% from three.


The Heat can be beaten easier than last year, their weakness is rebounding and post defense just like IRL. I played with them offline and lost games because of rebounding. The Knicks take about the same threes/game as Houston they just make a little bit more not noticable. The Knicks are not that overpowering though again they have interior defense issues. If Melo doesn't go off they are in trouble. I played with Houston and the thing that is noticeable is Lin is not consistent just like real life. Beverly is actually pretty good, but they have weaknesses and that is FT shooting and mid range shooting, and average perimeter defense. I have to say most teams play true to themselves and have real life strengths and weaknesses.

[Sundown]

Re: Sim and Defense online this year? Not seeing it at all.

One big disadvantage is that you don't seem to like using your defensive settings...given your response in the defensive thread...I don't know if you think that's "cheating" because those aren't the default settings, but you're hurting yourself by not using them...and I can tell you straight up that's contributing to your negative experience..especially offline...I am lost as to how your are experiencing a lack of defense offline, but that's for another thread..

I am not going to sit here and tell you I haven't had times were D Rose iso'd me into the paint for a layup, or that GSW hasn't hit 10 3's on me...some well guarded...but I have also made plenty of guys quit because I constantly stripped them as they dribbled in the paint, or adjusted my settings to take away the catch and shoot altogether...and I have plenty of fun swatting shots with TD

If you're looking for a complete sim experience online I would suggest playing an OSer online...I am down to play whenever...ranked online may not be for you...

It's not so much that changing settings is "cheating" but that I feel that I shouldn't be obliterated just because I'm on manual contest (which guys like Da Czar swear by) and my serifs are on auto. I wanted to gain some proficiency before relying on settings to save me. And in either case it shouldn't be "run default defenses? Get obliterated by Kyrie with paint cheesing."

Oh, and I'm actually using Intende-D contesting and settings now. It helps. But not that much online, because that doesn't seem to be the root of the problem and imbalance. Offline, it makes the slight differences that matter, as it should, but I still have issues with the core contesting mechanics (or am just bad).

[The 24th Letter]

Sim and Defense online this year? Not seeing it at all.

It's not so much that changing settings is "cheating" but that I feel that I shouldn't be obliterated just because I'm on manual contest (which guys like Da Czar swear by) and my serifs are on auto. I wanted to gain some proficiency before relying on settings to save me. And in either case it shouldn't be "run default defenses? Get obliterated by Kyrie with paint cheesing."

Oh, and I'm actually using Intende-D contesting and settings now. It helps. But not that much online, because that doesn't seem to be the root of the problem and imbalance. Offline, it makes the slight differences that matter, as it should, but I still have issues with the core contesting mechanics (or am just bad).

Well, your having the problem man,..I am just giving suggestions...if your stance is "I shouldn't have to adjust my defense" then there's nothing else to really talk about. There's a reason 2k allows these settings to be changed online...it's not "relying" on anything or copping out, it's strategy...If your defensive player is sagging off a shooter too much, why is saying "defense is nonexistent" on OS a better solution than adjusting? You can press the left directional pad before your can type up a thread 10 times over ...just doesn't compute for me...

(Czar suggests the same things I am suggesting BTW)

To each his own though!

EDIT: and if I sound combative, I am not trying to be...it's all good Sundown...I just think we have philosophical differences

[imdahman]

Re: Sim and Defense online this year? Not seeing it at all.

I did the following things in situations to help my defense and all of a sudden, I was super competitive.

If a player is getting into the paint a lot, or I'm facing someone with great dribble penetration, I do this:
Set on-ball to moderate
Sag off the bigs (PF & C) on off ball
Bump up my help a couple notches (If needs be).
Shade so that he'll be forced to drive into the help.
DO NOT move to where the ball handler is, BEAT THEM to a spot they are going to!

After learning to do this, I managed to cut down on a LOT of easy layups after I'd been beat. Because I shaded him over to my help defenders and shot blockers, they were able to come over to help and contest the layup or even block it. Play position defense! He'll blow right by you if you try to step to where he is, and not where he's going to be.

If I'm facing a guy like D-Rose, or Wall, or anyone else with great dribble penetration, I'll set my on-ball to coverage to moderate and play them for the drive. It's good in cases like Wall & Westbrook who don't shoot well and punish you with their drive to the hoop.

In cases where a PG has a pull up jumper, you'll have to find the happy medium of crowding enough to bother the shot, and cutting off the drive. It'll be a tougher assignment, but then again that's the game. And oh yeah, we're going through a PG renaissance which means there are a lot of elite PGs in the league. You're gonna get beat! It's a matter of averages.

Defense is the name of the game. As in real life, you have to adjust your defense to what the opponent is doing. You can't sit there and say "I don't want to adjust defense" because that's antithetical to the game. If anything, the game was broken in previous years in that you could play games and do well without ever touching your defensive settings.

[blues rocker]

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Well, your having the problem man,..I am just giving suggestions...if your stance is "I shouldn't have to adjust my defense" then there's nothing else to really talk about. There's a reason 2k allows these settings to be changed online...it's not "relying" on anything or copping out, it's strategy...If your defensive player is sagging off a shooter too much, why is saying "defense is nonexistent" on OS a better solution than adjusting? You can press the left directional pad before your can type up a thread 10 times over ...just doesn't compute for me...

(Czar suggests the same things I am suggesting BTW)

To each his own though!

EDIT: and if I sound combative, I am not trying to be...it's all good Sundown...I just think we have philosophical differences

yeah, by default your defenders tend to sag off shooters quite a bit. it's pretty much a necessity to go in to defensive settings and set them to "deny ball" or they'll be sagging off and giving up open 3's all game long.

[Sundown]

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To me this game is playing great. If the complaints are that drose is getting to the paint at will and gsw users shoot 3s all game it seems to reflect real life.

During the game Sometimes it will feel like something is overpowered but when I look at the box score later it looks to be realistic. I turned auto contest on and that helped with the close outs.

I wondered if you tried the focus on stars option or the focus on paint option.

Yes, I bloody tried everything. I'm not a basketball idiot. When I saw he was paint iso cheesing, I set to lock down paint and said I got this. I didn't get this. Lol. Focus on stars didn't help either.

It's not that rose is getting into the paint. It's how he's getting into the paint-- with all the proper defensive settings and a lock down defender on him. Iso iso iso cheese.

[The 24th Letter]

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yeah, by default your defenders tend to sag off shooters quite a bit. you pretty much have to go in to defensive settings and set them to "deny ball" or they'll be sagging off and giving up open 3's all game long.

One of the quick defensive settings handles this as well, I think it's "pressure shooters" if you don't want to go into defensive settings

[Sundown]

Re: Sim and Defense online this year? Not seeing it at all.

Well, your having the problem man,..I am just giving suggestions...if your stance is "I shouldn't have to adjust my defense" then there's nothing else to really talk about. There's a reason 2k allows these settings to be changed online...it's not "relying" on anything or copping out, it's strategy...If your defensive player is sagging off a shooter too much, why is saying "defense is nonexistent" on OS a better solution than adjusting? You can press the left directional pad before your can type up a thread 10 times over ...just doesn't compute for me...

(Czar suggests the same things I am suggesting BTW)
Once again.

To each his own though
!

EDIT: and if I sound combative, I am not trying to be...it's all good Sundown...I just think we have philosophical differences

My stance isn't "I shouldn't have to adjust my defense".

My stance is, I shouldn't be OBLITERATED with normal defense against cheese. I shouldn't absolutely need auto-contest.

Plus, I AM adjusting many of the settings and they aren't helping that much.

I get that adjusting settings might make the difference to put me over the edge. I get that man. I do it offline except I haven't set defensive assist to 100% yet.

It's just that not using them shouldn't be the difference between stopping Kyrie/Rose iso cheese and losing by 20 in 5 min quarter games. Something is screwy with the design, and I'm staring right at it.

I guess we do differ philosophically. I think that settings should play the way they sound like they should play. Normal/default defense settings should have some weaknesses but shouldn't be an auto-lose setting. It shouldn't make the difference between zero interior paint defense and some semblance of one. Manual and Intense-D contests and RS shouldn't be useless. It wasn't last year. There shouldn't be a magical switch in settings that means win by 5 or lose by 20 if you are playing competent sim basketball-- not to mention that I've taken most of your suggestions and it still doesn't work that well.

Will cranking up defensive assist from 50 to 100% make the gigantic difference? If so, well, that's kinda crummy. And I don't see how that should be the fix for slow big-men contests, too many contact layups from guards, useless RS, the lack of penalty for paint iso spam, and slow help D rotations.

Anyway, I know there are those who say that there are always going to be cheesers, but I firmly believe game design (and design oversights) promote one type of gameplay or another. If a design is supposed to promote sim but cheese is greatly rewarded, then the design has failed. I know that sounds a little harsh, but as far as online goes, it feels true.

The problems also exist offline, just not quite as exacerbated, but indicates a root problem, or a root misunderstanding of how to play by me, which I will concede may be a possibility, but I haven't read any tips or advice that seems to indicate that's really the case. If the difference between a good experience and a horrid one is cranking up the defensive assist slider alone, something seems rather wrong.

[Sundown]

Re: Sim and Defense online this year? Not seeing it at all.

here's a problem i'm having when using the right stick "hands up" contest in the paint...when the offensive player shoots into me and creates contact, he will almost always rebound his own miss because the contact animation freezes my defender for too long and prevents him from going after the miss...so basically any time you try to contest in the paint with RS, the shooter just recovers the offensive rebound and gets an easy put back. kind of defeats the purpose of forcing the miss if you can't get the rebound afterwards. you can't win...either you let him have the layup, or you try to contest with RS and get stuck in a "recovery animation" allowing him to get the putback anyway. you'd think they'd want to reward the defender for contesting by giving him the edge when going after the rebound.

THIS SO HARD.

Same applies when you got for the shot block as well (because congrats, you're now out of position).

[secondcity t]

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If the difference between a good experience and a horrid one is cranking up the defensive assist slider alone, something seems rather wrong.

I've been adjusting defensive settings for the last couple of games from 50 to 100. 100 was where I seemed to have "cut out" some of the iso spamming. I'm still trying to learn shading but the delay doesn't help.

[magicman32]

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Was playing a suns user. I intentionally sagged off of Bledsoe at the three point line. My feet were on the three point line because he was like 3 feet behind the line. He shot it and made it. He went 2-2 when I used this strategy. I just quit. I noticed online strategy regarding defense isn't effective

Offensive rebounds are a bit overpowered. And what I hate the most playing on ball defense, is the fact the the offense player has the ability to "slide" past you to gain an advantage. They can get and unrealistic speed burst after you bump them.

I also find that a lot of the games I've played have been close and dumb ball is still rewarded because of momentum. I'm not buying there is no momentum in this game. All of a sudden I'll miss great shots I was making earlier. And my opponent will make dumb and contested shots the were missing earlier to get them back in the game. Including contested and 1's. All of a sudden they are getting foul calls by forcing things

I also notice that players are crowding the ball handler and reaching in a lot with no foul calls. This triggers that reach in animation that throws you player off balance. This gives the double team cheeser an advantage because if you move the ball the help defense recovers a bit too quick because you CPU teammates won't move to the open areas to get a layup

Last thing I hate is the pump fake quick pass is way too successful. Players are pump faking then throwing quick bad passes that get to their target. It will go through bodies or my defender somehow miss tipping it even though he's right there


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[wordtobigbird]

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Next thing you know the game will be playing itself because everyone says its too hard. If I started playing shut down defense within the first few games of playing online with a new game then that would be pretty suspect wouldn't it? Shouldn't it take some skill and effort to play great D? Not justs "I held the right stick and contested, why didnt he miss?". As others have pointed out, plenty of people are playing good defense. I doubt it's magic or cheating.