RedLogic's HOF Slider set - Shot Stick Timing FG & FT's

[Drewski]

Re: RedLogic's HOF Slider set - Shot Stick Timing FG & FT's

Yea, blowing teams out in association mode can and does get boring very quickly. I also hated how the cpu never seemed to miss any shots down the stretch which I tried to address with these sliders as well. I know it feels much more satisfying when you win by 1 point than by 20...especially if it's on the very last possession which will happen alot if you play an entire season with these sliders...the cpu will challenge you for sure.

Exactly. I fully intend to run a few more seasons, at the very least, with these sliders. I expect that the more I play with them, the more consistent my efforts will be, but considering how challenging it seems from my dabbling with it it should never turn into what my first year in association did. I will say it's considerably harder to get my wings to drop shots off of set plays (Stephen Jackson absolutely needed to step up my last game, 2-12? Majority good looks coming off of off the ball downscreens? COME ON MAN!), but I imagine I'll get a better feel for that as I go. Plus, my team is still learning to run together as I completely rooted it besides Wall and McGee, so I'm still learning the strengths and weaknesses, and how to best utilize it all.

Overall, I'm thrilled to be using these sliders and can really feel the quality of the game going even higher as I continue to

[Lunatic_DeaGold]

Re: RedLogic's HOF Slider set - Shot Stick Timing FG & FT's

It's the first time I play with your sliders. They are absolutely great ! But i had never played HOF level and I've many problems for shoot. Can we help me, i have always (90%) open shoots and always (90%) they are lost... Plz help and congratulations !

[Redlogic]

Re: RedLogic's HOF Slider set - Shot Stick Timing FG & FT's

It's the first time I play with your sliders. They are absolutely great ! But i had never played HOF level and I've many problems for shoot. Can we help me, i have always (90%) open shoots and always (90%) they are lost... Plz help and congratulations !

I'm don't understand exactly what the issue is that you are having...can you explain? Do you mean you are missing too many open shots?

[Mourf]

Re: RedLogic's HOF Slider set - Shot Stick Timing FG & FT's

yeah Redlogic !

Test them too this afternoon, cool but too many openshot missed.

And too many 3 pts missed too ...with Ray Allen. hum ...

French like Lunatic_deagold so excuse my language.

[Redlogic]

Re: RedLogic's HOF Slider set - Shot Stick Timing FG & FT's

yeah Redlogic !

Test them too this afternoon, cool but too many openshot missed.

And too many 3 pts missed too ...with Ray Allen. hum ...

French like Lunatic_deagold so excuse my language.

Just adjust the shooting values...turn 3pt up by a point or two. Those are variable depending on the player which is why I said they vary on page 1 of this thread. Sounds like you just need to turn up the shot success for 3pt and maybe mid range?

[drshorty31]

Re: RedLogic's HOF Slider set - Shot Stick Timing FG & FT's

started 2 franchise with these sliders and the experience feels much more realistic. im playing with the mavs (normal) and cavaliers (fantasy draft).

[Drewski]

Re: RedLogic's HOF Slider set - Shot Stick Timing FG & FT's

Ran a few more games over the weekend and have continued to really enjoy these sliders. If I had to guess, I'd say that the 3 pt success is tuned a bit too low, but aside from that, it seems spot on. Maybe I just haven't been timing my releases exactly (considering I'm playing with a few new pieces after some wheeling and dealing). Amazing sliders regardless. Love having to play smart and within my teams style. Never had to utilize all of the different facets of an offense.

[Redlogic]

Re: RedLogic's HOF Slider set - Shot Stick Timing FG & FT's

Ran a few more games over the weekend and have continued to really enjoy these sliders. If I had to guess, I'd say that the 3 pt success is tuned a bit too low, but aside from that, it seems spot on. Maybe I just haven't been timing my releases exactly (considering I'm playing with a few new pieces after some wheeling and dealing). Amazing sliders regardless. Love having to play smart and within my teams style. Never had to utilize all of the different facets of an offense.

3pt shooting seems to be a common complaint. I would just turn the slider up a point or two to solve that issue so that you are shooting a reasonable percentage.

[Drewski]

Re: RedLogic's HOF Slider set - Shot Stick Timing FG & FT's

3pt shooting seems to be a common complaint. I would just turn the slider up a point or two to solve that issue so that you are shooting a reasonable percentage.

I'm still competing/winning even with my 3 ball falling less than normal, so I'm ok with it. I don't think a team should be draining a ton of threes, but there have been games where I shoot say... 0/7 from behind the line. Coming from the team last season who was 1st in the league in 3p%. I think it's just tuned a bit more difficult and I have to take that into consideration. I'm not having a problem adjusting my game since the 3 ball doesn't fall nearly as much. If anything, it's made my game more solid as I've been able to turn to some great post play. Running a few triangle offense post up plays with my SF/PF and it's given a very solid dimension to my team and lets me utilize Iguodola more efficiently at the SF.

[tcrews]

Re: RedLogic's HOF Slider set - Shot Stick Timing FG & FT's

There is way too much here in your response that I agree with and feel 100% of the time. It is a much better feeling to win by 1 or 2 points in a well fought out game than winning by 15+ points in a blow out. No lead is every safe with these sliders though i will have games where I am so on point that my D just locks the CPU down. I think this has a lot more to do with my concentration individually than anything else.

There is one thing I thought you may be able to help with since you such an experienced 2k player (I too have been playing since the Dreamcast days and honestly 2k2 was AMAZING!!)...after you play a few more games, I still struggle with getting a good amount of fast break points against the CPU. Now I know there a few factors and occasional the CPU will not count fast break points towards your stats even though they should. I was wondering if you notice a lack of fast break points for yourself or if this is just a symptom of my play style and the team I use. Thanks for your input, the above response was very thorough and appreciated.

I'll definitely let you know about the fast break thing. I've had a busy last week so I haven't been able to play since my last post. Fortunately though I'm finally about to sit down and play a game. I'll pay attention to the fast break. Off the top of my head I can't remember whether or not it's been an issue. I play at a fairly slow tempo, so I don't get many fast break points as is.

It's really cool to hear you've also been playing since Dreamcast. A friend of mine that I'd drive to school with would always come by like 45 minutes before school started and we'd play a couple games in the morning. That game was also your beloved NBA 2k2, and yes, it absolutely was incredible, especially for it's time.

I've played about 10 games total with these sliders, and I must say they're still presenting a great challenge. Everything just has a more NBA like flow to it. I also didn't realize this, but other slider sets that I'd used, including my own, just had way too many foul calls. You could do the same 2 or 3 post moves and you'd get a foul call 9 times out of 10. With these, if I want to bang in the low post (which is the staple of my game, no matter the team) you need to make sure you're concentrating on taking a good shot, not creating contact. Instead of having a free throw discrepancy of 38 to 12. I'm now seeing around 18-25 FT attempts per game, per team.

Aside from that, with the HOF difficulty level the CPU is very good at stripping the ball if you dribble too much or try a hop step with someone that doesn't have any handles (big men mostly). If you are able to get down there, again due to the HOF level, they'll block your shot right out of the arena if you don't take the right one. I thought it was already a thinking mans game, but your sliders have amplified that times 10. Having to figure out whether a spin layup, euro step, hop step, reverse, left, right, straight, or floater is the most applicable, all while running full speed against a 1 or 2 defenders really livens up the game beyond belief.

Once this game is done I'll post my stats and answer your ? about the fast break. Thanks again.

I've been debating sliders to use for a while and have had my eye on these for some time, this post more or less has convinced me to give these a few runs, especially since I'm only in pre-season of my 2nd year in association. Can't wait to get home and try these and then tweak Sword and Armors around the all-star difficulty!

I really appreciate that. As a die hard fan of the game, my focus on posting on OS is to usually give advice, help people out, or give thanks (as is the case here with these sliders). So it always makes me happy to see a post like yours. I also saw your replies that you were loving the sliders, which makes me even happier. I hope they stay challenging for you and are just as competitive and fun a few months from now as they are today. I know what you mean about having to change slider sets because you get "used" to them and can play accordingly. Hopefully we've all found a set that we'll never have to change.

I think if we all start winning consistently or start winning by blowouts, there's enough wiggle room to adjust sliders here and there and keep refreshing it's difficulty. I guess what I mean is, I believe this will be my sliders until NBA 2k12 comes out. I might make a tweak here and there, but I just can't imagine ever finding a better set of sliders that combines an insane amount of realism with great, competitive games that you absolutely cannot go into knowing you'll win.

Going into a game no matter who the opposing team is and having a 50/50 chance to win is, for me, nothing shy of a blessing. As many of us know, going into a game hoping to lose, or knowing you'll win, is just not fun and it's not what basketball or any sport or sports game is about. These sliders have restored that part of the game for me and I really hope they do the same for you and everyone else that tries them.

[Drewski]

Re: RedLogic's HOF Slider set - Shot Stick Timing FG & FT's

I'll definitely let you know about the fast break thing. I've had a busy last week so I haven't been able to play since my last post. Fortunately though I'm finally about to sit down and play a game. I'll pay attention to the fast break. Off the top of my head I can't remember whether or not it's been an issue. I play at a fairly slow tempo, so I don't get many fast break points as is.

It's really cool to hear you've also been playing since Dreamcast. A friend of mine that I'd drive to school with would always come by like 45 minutes before school started and we'd play a couple games in the morning. That game was also your beloved NBA 2k2, and yes, it absolutely was incredible, especially for it's time.

I've played about 10 games total with these sliders, and I must say they're still presenting a great challenge. Everything just has a more NBA like flow to it. I also didn't realize this, but other slider sets that I'd used, including my own, just had way too many foul calls. You could do the same 2 or 3 post moves and you'd get a foul call 9 times out of 10. With these, if I want to bang in the low post (which is the staple of my game, no matter the team) you need to make sure you're concentrating on taking a good shot, not creating contact. Instead of having a free throw discrepancy of 38 to 12. I'm now seeing around 18-25 FT attempts per game, per team.

Aside from that, with the HOF difficulty level the CPU is very good at stripping the ball if you dribble too much or try a hop step with someone that doesn't have any handles (big men mostly). If you are able to get down there, again due to the HOF level, they'll block your shot right out of the arena if you don't take the right one. I thought it was already a thinking mans game, but your sliders have amplified that times 10. Having to figure out whether a spin layup, euro step, hop step, reverse, left, right, straight, or floater is the most applicable, all while running full speed against a 1 or 2 defenders really livens up the game beyond belief.

Once this game is done I'll post my stats and answer your ? about the fast break. Thanks again.




I really appreciate that. As a die hard fan of the game, my focus on posting on OS is to usually give advice, help people out, or give thanks (as is the case here with these sliders). So it always makes me happy to see a post like yours. I also saw your replies that you were loving the sliders, which makes me even happier. I hope they stay challenging for you and are just as competitive and fun a few months from now as they are today. I know what you mean about having to change slider sets because you get "used" to them and can play accordingly. Hopefully we've all found a set that we'll never have to change.

I think if we all start winning consistently or start winning by blowouts, there's enough wiggle room to adjust sliders here and there and keep refreshing it's difficulty. I guess what I mean is, I believe this will be my sliders until NBA 2k12 comes out. I might make a tweak here and there, but I just can't imagine ever finding a better set of sliders that combines an insane amount of realism with great, competitive games that you absolutely cannot go into knowing you'll win.

Going into a game no matter who the opposing team is and having a 50/50 chance to win is, for me, nothing shy of a blessing. As many of us know, going into a game hoping to lose, or knowing you'll win, is just not fun and it's not what basketball or any sport or sports game is about. These sliders have restored that part of the game for me and I really hope they do the same for you and everyone else that tries them.

I agree man, it's so refreshing to see a community that actually -helps- eachother and not just random bashing and critiquing. It's been a humbling experience for me to come here and learn, think about this game, and grow as a 2k player. I love it, far more than I probably should, but I really dont care. I've been a NBA head for a long time, a gamer for even longer, so it just goes hand in hand perfectly thanks to the great job the 2k team does every year.

These sliders do seem perfect, and I've been busy lately as well and havent had a chance to really get some more games in. Which is unfortunate, because I aboslutely love playing 2K with these sliders. Win or lose, the game remains competitive as long as you remain smart with the ball and can play on ball and help defense seemlessly (swapping defenders has been huge for me). I highly doubt I'll be trying any other slider sets, or could ever go to anything with a lesser degree of realism/intelligence/competitiveness. I ran my first association through on Pro and if I went back to Pro I would probably blow teams out by 80 points because of how high the bar gets set with these sliders. It will be interesting to see how my franchise turns out in year 2, but we've started 1-0 after a tough pre-season of me figuring out the mechanics.

I'll definitely keep an eye on the fast break information - and considering I run a fast paced offense two headed by John Wall and Iguodala on the break when I try to get older, less athletic teams running - I'll throw in my two cents after you comb through it a bit more and I get more comfortable with the sliders.

[tcrews]

Re: RedLogic's HOF Slider set - Shot Stick Timing FG & FT's

I'm about to play a second game, but I wanted to let you know in my first game I was able to score 12 fast break points. Probably doesn't seem like a lot, but I had no problem scoring in transition when I identified mismatches or had a solid jump on the defense. If I were to play a more up-tempo style I'm sure I could've eclipsed 25 fast break points or so. I have 3 different franchises going, the one I used was my most athletic franchise by far, so I run the fast break more often with them than I do any other team I currently use.

I'm about to jump into my Timberwolves franchise. My bench consists of Iverson, V. Carter, Grant Hill, and Shaq. So if I ran the fast break with them, I'm pretty sure one or more of them would die at this point. They're all 35+ so I do my best to conserve their stamina, which means running the worlds slowest tempo. Basically my bench is the Portland Trailblazers on Valium and Xanax. But hey, when you can sign those guys for about 1.9 million each, why not? Aside from Anthony Randolph, it's a proverbial who's who of guys who should've gotten way more out of their talent. Though Hill is an exception because of his injury that messed him up for awhile. Still, it's a good storyline at least. Hopefully I can get these guys a ring. I'll reply once I'm done, I run the break a bit more with my starters so combined I'm guessing I'll have about 14 points via fast break.

All that being said, I didn't have much of a problem scoring on the fast break, I just pick my opportunities carefully and only run the break when I know I have a really solid chance of scoring.

[Redlogic]

Re: RedLogic's HOF Slider set - Shot Stick Timing FG & FT's

I'm about to play a second game, but I wanted to let you know in my first game I was able to score 12 fast break points. Probably doesn't seem like a lot, but I had no problem scoring in transition when I identified mismatches or had a solid jump on the defense. If I were to play a more up-tempo style I'm sure I could've eclipsed 25 fast break points or so. I have 3 different franchises going, the one I used was my most athletic franchise by far, so I run the fast break more often with them than I do any other team I currently use.

I'm about to jump into my Timberwolves franchise. My bench consists of Iverson, V. Carter, Grant Hill, and Shaq. So if I ran the fast break with them, I'm pretty sure one or more of them would die at this point. They're all 35+ so I do my best to conserve their stamina, which means running the worlds slowest tempo. Basically my bench is the Portland Trailblazers on Valium and Xanax. But hey, when you can sign those guys for about 1.9 million each, why not? Aside from Anthony Randolph, it's a proverbial who's who of guys who should've gotten way more out of their talent. Though Hill is an exception because of his injury that messed him up for awhile. Still, it's a good storyline at least. Hopefully I can get these guys a ring. I'll reply once I'm done, I run the break a bit more with my starters so combined I'm guessing I'll have about 14 points via fast break.

All that being said, I didn't have much of a problem scoring on the fast break, I just pick my opportunities carefully and only run the break when I know I have a really solid chance of scoring.

Glad to hear it, it may just have been a streak of tough games for me where I had trouble getting out on the break. The last tweak I did to these sliders changed some things to make it easier to get out on the break and it seems to work when you play correctly (as you mention above). I think I may post my shooting sliders as over time I may have tweaked them by a point or 2 and believe I have turned down the shooting foul slider to 60 for user and 60 for cpu but I need to double check. Otherwise, the sliders are going to be final on everything else unless an issue arrises. Also, I have been playing with these sliders for many months and many Associations and have not gotten to the point where I can blow the CPU out every time I play so I seriously doubt any tweaking as far as difficulty will be necessary. However, if you do get the point where they need tweaking I will be glad to assist where I can.

A quick story, I was in the last year of Carmelo's deal and made it to the playoffs ( I do 29 game seasons since changed my roster keeps me interested for longer periods of time) and I beat the Nets first round by sweeping...so next round I play the Raptors led by Tony Parker (and Demar Derozen who has advanced to a 90+ player over the last 3 yrs) and I got swept!! I couldn't believe it, I thought my team was good enough. Melo didn't play well all series and his contract was up so I let him walk as he wanted to test free agency anyways. In the offseason I signed John Wall and Paul George to max 5 contracts. Here is my starting line up

PG - John Wall (95)
SG - Austin Rivers (91)
SF - Paul George (88)
PF - Perry Jones (81)
C - Jonas Valvicous (83) ( I butchered that name but he is in the draft this yr)

Bench
JR Smith
Thomas Robinson
DeAndre Jordan
Ish Smith
etc...

I love love love my starting line up!!!! Lets hope this year is better than last.

RedLogic

[Drewski]

Re: RedLogic's HOF Slider set - Shot Stick Timing FG & FT's

Glad to hear it, it may just have been a streak of tough games for me where I had trouble getting out on the break. The last tweak I did to these sliders changed some things to make it easier to get out on the break and it seems to work when you play correctly (as you mention above). I think I may post my shooting sliders as over time I may have tweaked them by a point or 2 and believe I have turned down the shooting foul slider to 60 for user and 60 for cpu but I need to double check. Otherwise, the sliders are going to be final on everything else unless an issue arrises. Also, I have been playing with these sliders for many months and many Associations and have not gotten to the point where I can blow the CPU out every time I play so I seriously doubt any tweaking as far as difficulty will be necessary. However, if you do get the point where they need tweaking I will be glad to assist where I can.

A quick story, I was in the last year of Carmelo's deal and made it to the playoffs ( I do 29 game seasons since changed my roster keeps me interested for longer periods of time) and I beat the Nets first round by sweeping...so next round I play the Raptors led by Tony Parker (and Demar Derozen who has advanced to a 90+ player over the last 3 yrs) and I got swept!! I couldn't believe it, I thought my team was good enough. Melo didn't play well all series and his contract was up so I let him walk as he wanted to test free agency anyways. In the offseason I signed John Wall and Paul George to max 5 contracts. Here is my starting line up

PG - John Wall (95)
SG - Austin Rivers (91)
SF - Paul George (88)
PF - Perry Jones (81)
C - Jonas Valvicous (83) ( I butchered that name but he is in the draft this yr)

Bench
JR Smith
Thomas Robinson
DeAndre Jordan
Ish Smith
etc...

I love love love my starting line up!!!! Lets hope this year is better than last.

RedLogic

Wow, John Wall over Carmelo all day. Very nice lineup... that looks like a killer squad.

[Tigers3]

Re: RedLogic's HOF Slider set - Shot Stick Timing FG & FT's

RedLogic I have been using your sliders (with a few minor shooting adjustments) and they are definitely the best set I have played with. I have played about 20 games and almost all have been close. I think I blew out a team once and was blown out once so it is very realistic.

My only concern is offensive rebounds. In year 3 of my Kings Association I have Kevin Love (99 off reb) and Cousins (91 off reb). After 2 games they have just 3 offensive rebounds combined. They should each be getting about 3 per game, but at this point, I am hoping each of them gets one per game. What would you recommend to fix this problem? Should I just raise the off rebounding slider and lower defensive or should I change vertical as well since in real life they dont get rebounds from their vertical they get them from positioning?