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  • Melcho
    Pro
    • Feb 2015
    • 501

    #316
    Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

    Originally posted by Poetic
    Where exactly did danan say they thought season rewards are too generous Mudman. Please do quote. All I could find is that they wanted to give free players a means of aquiring Credits.

    Unless you Show me that quote all your reasoning is redundant.

    I did mention already that it's false did I? ��



    MVP Magic Johnson
    Look, the season rewards have been nerfed, it is what it is. They wanted to give players a means of acquiring credits, and they did, but obviously doing that and leaving rewards as-is was too ....

    Finish the sentence above, options are:

    1. generous
    2. generous
    3. generous

    Like I said, it looks like they're done giving the same people the same rewards (and remember, this effects me too, albeit - I farm Leg season).

    I'll leave it here as clearly I'm agitating a few of you who are already quite upset at this tragedy.

    Personally, I don't care, sure maybe I would've preferred they left rewards as they were and just made seasons harder by limiting common bench / untrained tactics, but hey, it's their game

    EDIT: don't forget, the community are the ones that asked for ways to earn credits, anyway, again, apologies if I've upset anyone but the reality is what it is, vote with your wallets and your time.
    Last edited by Melcho; 03-18-2015, 09:29 PM.

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    • ActionJack
      Pro
      • Mar 2014
      • 586

      #317
      Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

      Originally posted by eVizions
      The minimum to buy a single star right now is 10k credits, which is roughly $70. That's the minimum. MINIMUM.
      The minimum is actually 5000 credits. You can absolutely go on AH right now, put up 5000, and come out with a Star card in a little bit of time.

      Originally posted by kclutch24
      Basically what CD is saying if their profits take a dip, then they'll consider changes. Seriously. Not even joking.
      Umm... welcome to the real world? Again, I think CD REALLY screwed this up, but begrudging a business for caring about money is just dumb.
      Originally posted by spainskiller
      After the update some cards look like this. I reinstalled the app and there is no DLC downloading at the main screen (that arrow at the bottom left corner). Any solutions?

      Same here. On Android.
      Originally posted by Musubi
      The biggest problem with this app the entire time has always been the customer service aspect of it. Star Season (and other tiers) rewards are too good? Fine, then nerf them and explain why it was too much and caused players at the top to advance too quickly so the rewards are scaled down to even out the progression at all levels. Don't make some passive-aggressive comment about how all the players were clammering for free credits so you're doing them a favor with this change. And don't even pretend that the 400 credits are equivalent with 2 star cards. Admit that the rewards were too much and you are trying to scale them down while also infusing credits into the community to grease the AH wheels.


      Everything CD does, first of all, generally sucks for the players, but then they wrap everything with a spin of patronizing the players. "Don't worry, this is better for all of you". "There's nothing wrong with the OFF stat, we've studied the distributions and it's fair". There are absolutely problems in this game. That's fine, no one expects a perfect game. But when you pretend like everything is fine and the people asking questions are idiots, that's when you cross a line. People cannot support a game created by a company they despise. I'm not even sure if the hate NWGameDad receives is fair because he's most likely forced to abide by a script the company gives him and he's just a face to company policy, barred from actually speaking his own opinion. If anything, he should be pitied for being placed in the whipping boy position by CD. So it's not a personal sort of hate directed towards him, but that which he is forced to represent, his professional persona so to speak. CD treats us like idiots with money in our pockets, I think most people would agree with that statement.


      Honestly, I think this patch as it is could have been made and received decently by the player base if CD was willing to actually explain why they did what they did. Instead they lie and pretend that it's all in the players' best interests when it's so overtly clear how much of a moneygrab it is. We wouldn't have liked them but we would have accepted them. I'm more insulted by the explanations than the changes.
      Yeah. NWGD's response on that was REALLY smarmy. Totally unnecessary. And as somebody who's been given BS answers from NWGD for a LOOOONG time now.. yeah.. being spoken to like a child has gotten very old. Being given explanations that OBVIOUSLY don't match up with reality... I don't understand why we can't have adult, substantive conversations, and we need to be treated like children.
      Originally posted by Cinnakok
      Here's a thought on the Credit's. They will be very helpful in the new RTTC when it comes to needing game nights and or hot steaks.
      If people still spend credits on this game, then you deserve this garbage.

      Without seasons meaning anything, what's the reason to grind any more?

      Originally posted by Cinnakok
      except people who get 3 stars and then sell them for 10.000 credits don't need the new game mode. Why bc then you just buy the HOF packs. This in turn takes money out of the business who runs this game bc then people don't need to buy credits.
      You've got it backwards. CD WANTS people to buy MVP/HOF packs. That is the only transaction in this game that completely clears credits out of the new in-game economy. It doesn't matter where the credits cone from. Any time CD can clear a large chunk of credits, they win.

      Originally posted by BoAKwon
      If you believe that card values are all speculative, I'm going to assume you mean this: "400 credits is better than a star card, because a star card may not necessarily sell, while 400 credits is something you can definitely put to use."

      However, by setting minimums, aren't you saying that these cards are worth at least this much, and should not be sold for any lower? If they cannot sell for their minimums, then the minimum should be lowered. The card becomes worthless if it has no use to you (0 credits). Why should any card be worthless? The credits that you win should be worth at least the minimum of that tier, so 5000 for star. If that is too much, then lower the minimum price for stars.
      Guys need to stop using this argument. It just isn't logically sound. You're ignoring all the cards that don't sell. Those are in the equation when determining value. Cards that sell for ABOVE 5000 are also part of the equation. We don't know what all these numbers work out to.

      It IS undoubtedly higher than 400 though. Without question.
      Last edited by ActionJack; 03-18-2015, 09:31 PM.

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      • Poetic
        Rookie
        • Nov 2014
        • 460

        #318
        Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

        Mudman. You are persistant. I will give you that.



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        • littlemun
          Rookie
          • Feb 2015
          • 16

          #319
          Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

          The big changes of season reward ruins the update and the game. SERIOUSLY!

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          • eVizions
            MVP
            • Apr 2008
            • 1257

            #320
            Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

            Here's how I envision the conversation going:

            Some-guy-named-Johnson: well, free users are asking for credits to be able to pay for the 20 credit listing fee
            CEO: lmfao, we give them nothing!
            Johnson: haha, yeah, like we'd have to do something horrible like cut their rewards in half just to consider giving them a tiny amount of credits!
            CEO: wait, what did you say?
            Johnson: I was saying that we'd have to reach really low to give out credits. Something unconscionable, like cutting season rewards in half.
            CEO: Johnson, you're brilliant! Do it!
            Johnson: seriously? I was kinda kidding
            CEO: don't care, it's brilliant! You deserve a bonus!
            Johnson: really?!?!
            CEO: Nah, just kidding. Be happy I'm not cutting your salary in half, too.
            Johnson (under his breath): you're such a ****ing **** **** ******* ******ly *****
            CEO: you say something, Johnson?
            Johnson: huh? Uh no, I mean, what about Danan? You're gonna put that poor guy through this? Didn't he just get back from leave after his nervous breakdown when we released AH the last time?
            CEO: he asked for a raise. Can't let that go unpunished. If I did, everyone would be asking for one.

            (End scene)

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            • SmartForce
              MVP
              • Mar 2015
              • 1845

              #321
              Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

              Originally posted by eVizions
              Here's how I envision the conversation going:

              Some-guy-named-Johnson: well, free users are asking for credits to be able to pay for the 20 credit listing fee
              CEO: lmfao, we give them nothing!
              Johnson: haha, yeah, like we'd have to do something horrible like cut their rewards in half just to consider giving them a tiny amount of credits!
              CEO: wait, what did you say?
              Johnson: I was saying that we'd have to reach really low to give out credits. Something unconscionable, like cutting season rewards in half.
              CEO: Johnson, you're brilliant! Do it!
              Johnson: seriously? I was kinda kidding
              CEO: don't care, it's brilliant! You deserve a bonus!
              Johnson: really?!?!
              CEO: Nah, just kidding. Be happy I'm not cutting your salary in half, too.
              Johnson (under his breath): you're such a ****ing **** **** ******* ******ly *****
              CEO: you say something, Johnson?
              Johnson: huh? Uh no, I mean, what about Danan? You're gonna put that poor guy through this? Didn't he just get back from leave after his nervous breakdown when we released AH the last time?
              CEO: he asked for a raise. Can't let that go unpunished. If I did, everyone would be asking for one.

              (End scene)
              Brilliant ... except that this NWGamePimpDaddy or whatever his nick is lists himself as "Senior Producer", which suggests he was a large part of making this decision.

              People keep saying they are "sorry" for him being the "whipping boy" ... they should be irate at him for being the person who made the decision.
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              • MJL412
                Rookie
                • Feb 2015
                • 31

                #322
                Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

                Currently in legendary (thanks to last auction house).. Had every intention of throwing another $100 down this go round but after looking at the crap season rewards I'm not gonna even bother as progression (outside of big cash) is damn near impossible now.. I work hard just to get second in season and now all I get is 1 card and 60 cents?! On the bright side, at least I won't be spending any more money on boosts and team refills come playoff time. While you didn't "kill the game" as I've been hearing, you did kill any potential of taking my money. For that I thank you
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                • littlemun
                  Rookie
                  • Feb 2015
                  • 16

                  #323
                  Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

                  Originally posted by NWGameDad
                  I don't mind the feedback and don't take it personally. I just want you to understand some of the thought process in the changes so you see why we did what we did.


                  I disagree that the values stated for cards isn't speculative. It absolutely is because for cards to become Credits they have to sell. That's a big piece you're overlooking. A big complaint during the Beta was that many cards did not sell, so saying your Star cards are worth x Credits just isn't true. Where as, Credits won in Season games now are definitive and something that is guaranteed. It is also something free players have an opportunity to gain Credits without using the Daily VC Bonus. The added benefit of the Credits as a Season reward is that it will infuse Credits into the AH economy allowing more cards to sell. A win for players on both ends.


                  I get on the surface it looks like a huge nerf to Season rewards, but in the long run I think players will come to appreciate getting guaranteed Credits for winning Seasons (or placing in the top 4).
                  Don't fool us CD!

                  Credits for winning Seasons (or placing in the top 4) is a good idea if and only if it reaches enough amount of credit! 1 star card+400 credits for a star season reward comparing with 3 star cards??

                  JOKE!

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                  • Janglesz
                    Just started!
                    • Mar 2015
                    • 6

                    #324
                    Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

                    NWGameDad, just want to begin by advising that I am a relatively new player, enjoying the game thus far. My QG lineup is Legend ++ and I just squeezed into a Legend season.

                    My issue with the season reward changes has been brought up before. The top players in Star++ will be nearly impossible to catch by people that aren't in star yet. I do not see how such drastic reductions in rewards can be implemented. Why was this update not scaled to perhaps 2 star rewards for star seasons (with lower seasons remaining the same)? You guys could have implemented these reductions over 2 updated, giving players some heads up. I'd like to hear you comment about this change specifically. Early on you mentioned that you wanted to clarify and explain, however it appears that many questions are being unanswered. It is quite clear that the season rewards changes are the biggest issue, so why not open a forum for people to actually ask you questions (respectively) and you actually be present to respond? Because as it stands, I cannot see why such a drastic reduction in rewards was implemented to suddenly.

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                    • MJL412
                      Rookie
                      • Feb 2015
                      • 31

                      #325
                      Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

                      In all honesty, at the expense of what the credits replace in terms of improving your deck it would have made more sense had the credits been given to the last place teams. Not qualifying in the tier you're in nets you next to nothing in terms of improving pieces.. But it's down there where saving up the tokens could prove valuable. Hacking the actual card rewards in half (and worse) for competitive playing is brutal to all players on any tier in hopes of progression. The coins equate to a last place DNQ reward swapped for (insert pre update reward).
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                      • eVizions
                        MVP
                        • Apr 2008
                        • 1257

                        #326
                        Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

                        Know what would solve this entire problem? Revert the rewards and remove the posting fee. Seriously, that was the only reason why people asked for credits in the first place, because they didn't have any and wanted to sell stuff.

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                        • SmartForce
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2015
                          • 1845

                          #327
                          Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

                          Originally posted by eVizions
                          Know what would solve this entire problem? Revert the rewards and remove the posting fee. Seriously, that was the only reason why people asked for credits in the first place, because they didn't have any and wanted to sell stuff.
                          If they were being honest about the motives for the change, this suggestion would be perfect.

                          The actual motivation is to make it impossible to get to a competitive deck without spending $100 a card and then more credits to get the dupes you need. You would need to spend like $1,000 to be sure of having a HOF Star for each position (assuming 15 buys will net you at least 1 of each position), and then you would need to sell most of your 10 extras in order to afford the specific duplicates you need to make pro versions ... and THAT's assuming you can sell HoF cards on the AH.

                          If you cannot, then good luck trying to get pro HoF cards with 65 possible cards in each pack. You could spend $4,400 and still not be guaranteed a single duplicate in that case.

                          And that is why the change. They've cut the number of available Star/Legendary/Epic players across the board so that anyone who wants to be competitive has to spend ridiculous amounts of money.

                          Essentially, they have been their profit margin that the whales will up their ante to make up for the small spenders ceasing to buy at all.
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                          • Dextro
                            MVP
                            • Feb 2015
                            • 1983

                            #328
                            Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

                            Just because some of you asked:



                            My question is, if that is gonna reset your counter - for example you have a Legend QG LU and a Epic+ RTTC LU.

                            If I draft now an Epic in RTTC, does that reset my counter for the whole game - I guess. And that would be really a bad joke if you cannot store picks ...

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                            • mas22
                              Rookie
                              • Oct 2014
                              • 38

                              #329
                              Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

                              I started playing this the first day it came out and today will be the first day that I won't log in. What a joke.
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                              • BoAKwon
                                Rookie
                                • Dec 2013
                                • 196

                                #330
                                Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

                                Originally posted by tornado76
                                That would be an almost guranteed dupe every single season if there is one on the AH. Not likely for them to do that
                                The old rewards were a guaranteed dupe... winning a finals was essentially 7000 credits + a star card. I can see why they would nerf that, but to compare 400 credits + star to 3 star cards is... i dont even know.

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