RTTC Discussion

[popsicle1228]

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I have said this before, the strat basically allowed you to play and care about only 10 cards. If we wanted you to use only 10 cards we would have made the mode have 10 cards. You should care about all 25 cards needed for the mode. The mode is balanced around using all 25 cards. If you were getting cards above your tier using the strat this next RttC will undoubtedly be harder for you. I did not change the target difficulty of the boss decks at all. The PO and Greats cards will be very difficult to acquire. They are the best cards in the game, and are not gained easily.

And that is fine. I just wanted to provide some feedback on the matter because it will have a direct impact on my decision not to buy hot streaks and such. It will also decrease my enjoyment of a really fun game mode. However, just because I will spend less or enjoy it less does not mean that others will also spend less or enjoy it less. I am sure you already know this or you would not be making the change.

[G8tors]

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Getting a card at our RTTC tier does little to nothing to help us advance though. I feel stuck in this game personally, with my only option at advancing is to luck into pulling two star cards I can duplicate in quick game, or by spending money. Getting more legendary cards does me absolutely no good, because I have a ton, they rarely sell in the auction house, I can't get anything above a legendary in RTTC, every single season I've played I've had to go up against a guy who is just impossible for my deck to beat in the finals. And what do I get for making it to the finals and losing? The same thing as the guy who lost in the second round. I'm all for games being challenging, but not impossible. At least with the double points I had a shot at getting a star card, now I'm stuck with getting more useless cards for me.

Since the double points has been removed I feel the difficulty should be lowered to at least make it possible to get a card above your tier. For a while now I have felt stuck in this game, with no real end to that in sight. While that may cause some to spend money to obtain the cards needed to advance, I would guess it causes more to quit the game altogether.

I just wanted to echo these sentiments. I'm lower on totem pole than most here, but a single epic card does absolutely nothing for me. It would be awesome if I at least had a chance at winning the legendary tier, which would actually be really useful.

I understand making the end cards difficult because they are the most powerful in the game, but for someone lower down I think you should be able to actually improve your deck with RTTC.

[Pims95]

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I have said this before, the strat basically allowed you to play and care about only 10 cards. If we wanted you to use only 10 cards we would have made the mode have 10 cards. You should care about all 25 cards needed for the mode. The mode is balanced around using all 25 cards. If you were getting cards above your tier using the strat this next RttC will undoubtedly be harder for you. I did not change the target difficulty of the boss decks at all. The PO and Greats cards will be very difficult to acquire. They are the best cards in the game, and are not gained easily.

I just hope you guys made it so that the people who could finish the mode last time around can also finish it this time. Otherwise the transition will be too abrupt and we just won't have the time, unless we're dropping hundreds of dollars of credits, to get a playof level deck before the RttC. And most of us would be very disappointed.

[NWGameDad]

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Hi, does this mean our RttC lineup must be at least playoff for a chance at PO card and playoff++ for Greats? Thanks.

Generally, and I say generally because how a deck got to a particular rank is different for each person, you should be able to get the card above your tier when you are in the ++ rank of the tier. Again, this is not a guarantee since how your deck is balanced can have a huge effect. Also, higher cards will take more Game Nights, so you may have to buy Game Nights to get enough plays in. There are just too many factors to give you a guaranteed answer. Getting the PO and Greats card will be no joke.

[NWGameDad]

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Getting a card at our RTTC tier does little to nothing to help us advance though. I feel stuck in this game personally, with my only option at advancing is to luck into pulling two star cards I can duplicate in quick game, or by spending money. Getting more legendary cards does me absolutely no good, because I have a ton, they rarely sell in the auction house, I can't get anything above a legendary in RTTC, every single season I've played I've had to go up against a guy who is just impossible for my deck to beat in the finals. And what do I get for making it to the finals and losing? The same thing as the guy who lost in the second round. I'm all for games being challenging, but not impossible. At least with the double points I had a shot at getting a star card, now I'm stuck with getting more useless cards for me.

Since the double points has been removed I feel the difficulty should be lowered to at least make it possible to get a card above your tier. For a while now I have felt stuck in this game, with no real end to that in sight. While that may cause some to spend money to obtain the cards needed to advance, I would guess it causes more to quit the game altogether.

I disagree. Cards in your tier when Pro'ed up are better than a single card in the tier above. Holding in to multiple cards in your tier increases the chance you will get a Pro. That is how you advance. If you're unable to reach the ++ rank of your current tier then you need to improve your deck. Improve it by making Pro cards. That is the progression.

[NWGameDad]

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I just hope you guys made it so that the people who could finish the mode last time around can also finish it this time. Otherwise the transition will be too abrupt and we just won't have the time, unless we're dropping hundreds of dollars of credits, to get a playof level deck before the RttC. And most of us would be very disappointed.

The PO and Great cards are harder to acquire than the HoF/PnP cards were. Tv hey are better cards than them and should be harder to acquire. If you're hellbent on getting the top rewards you can lose your way there. It will take a lot of time and Credits on Game Nights to do that, but that option does exist.

[Parasight]

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While you're here, do you know the number of points required for the Shaq Greats card? Just trying to math out how much more points we need compared to the old RttCs.

[Dextro]

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Let us wait, personally I think this mode will be a big disappointment this time. As you will hit the wall earlier as before.
Hopefully this is not the case - but out of their statements it looks like it. There are two options, shut up and live with it, or try to give some feedback.

But in my eyes, it is pointing more and more to pay2win. And that is something I don´t like, I don´t want to see guys who have 200 games, 100 losses but do have a playoff deck.
I want to see guys with tons of games, who are constantly supporting a company, because they are delivering a great product.
But unfortunately this is not how the business works - and this is not related to CD only, this is more of a business-wide issue.

So let´s hope the best, we all will experience it on Friday.

[jjyergler]

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NWGameDad, your answers are so dismissive. I can assure you, getting a single star does nothing for my deck. Yes, a pro helps, but I have almost a full season lineup of Star Pros, so another single star does very little for me. The chances of duping without spending money is very small.

I wish, for once, you'd just be honest with us. Just come out and tell us you want us to spend money. What you don't realize is this: If I don't have at least a chance to improve my deck by getting a card over my tier, I won't buy any game nights or hot streaks.

You've effectively made the RttC pointless for me to participate in. You can argue with me all you want, and you probably will never see any problem in what you are saying, but I'm not going to lose my way through to the PO card.

Sunday is Mother's Day, and I have plans. They don't include trying to inch my way towards a PO card.

[KB89]

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I disagree. Cards in your tier when Pro'ed up are better than a single card in the tier above. Holding in to multiple cards in your tier increases the chance you will get a Pro. That is how you advance. If you're unable to reach the ++ rank of your current tier then you need to improve your deck. Improve it by making Pro cards. That is the progression.

The problem with that though is with mynba2k15 you guys have made it more difficult to Pro cards via seasons or rewards. The chances of pulling or winning a card you can dupe is very small with this current setup. I've played around 8000 games, and have never pulled or won in a season a legendary card that I can dupe. Same with the epic cards while I was in that tier. On mynba2k14 reaching the finals in a season gave you two of the same cards, making pro cards and progression much easier. With this game the only way to win cards you can pro is by being in the top 100 in RC, which is virtually impossible. So yeah, you're right that pro'ing cards will make you advance, but with how this game is setup that is extremely hard to do unless you pay for cards in the auction house or have amazing luck in pulling cards or season rewards.

[G8tors]

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I disagree. Cards in your tier when Pro'ed up are better than a single card in the tier above. Holding in to multiple cards in your tier increases the chance you will get a Pro. That is how you advance. If you're unable to reach the ++ rank of your current tier then you need to improve your deck. Improve it by making Pro cards. That is the progression.

I understand all that, but they are only helpful if you get to Pro the card. The chances are so slim via pulling it from the draft board or seasons, that you basically have to go to the auction house.

That's all great except people in my situation has basically no credits. Guys at the top get to sell cards all the time to people like me. If I get a card that might sell, an epic pro, legendary, etc., it goes into my deck. The only thing I can sell would be ultra rares and below and no one buys them.

I try and sell trained uncommons because people buy them to train, but that's an astounding 39 credits per uncommon sold. Not to mention that takes time. I'm lucky to get 20-50 credits a day from the daily VC bonus. At that rate it's going to take me 16-40 days to get one single epic card, that I then need to pro and train to the maximum level.

The guys at the bottom don't have the credits to spend like the guys at the top. Which, I mean, it makes sense if you just want us to spend a ton of money on them.

[vince217]

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NWGameDad, your answers are so dismissive. I can assure you, getting a single star does nothing for my deck. Yes, a pro helps, but I have almost a full season lineup of Star Pros, so another single star does very little for me. The chances of duping without spending money is very small.

I wish, for once, you'd just be honest with us. Just come out and tell us you want us to spend money. What you don't realize is this: If I don't have at least a chance to improve my deck by getting a card over my tier, I won't buy any game nights or hot streaks.

You've effectively made the RttC pointless for me to participate in. You can argue with me all you want, and you probably will never see any problem in what you are saying, but I'm not going to lose my way through to the PO card.

Sunday is Mother's Day, and I have plans. They don't include trying to inch my way towards a PO card.

of course CD wants you to spend money. however, they do provide a way to progress through the game without spending any $$$ at all. definitely not the fastest way to progress through the tiers but it is possible.

dont forget, there is also the RC event, which theoretically gives everyone a chance to win the highest rank card.

[vince217]

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I understand all that, but they are only helpful if you get to Pro the card. The chances are so slim via pulling it from the draft board or seasons, that you basically have to go to the auction house.

That's all great except people in my situation has basically no credits. Guys at the top get to sell cards all the time to people like me. If I get a card that might sell, an epic pro, legendary, etc., it goes into my deck. The only thing I can sell would be ultra rares and below and no one buys them.

I try and sell trained uncommons because people buy them to train, but that's an astounding 39 credits per uncommon sold. Not to mention that takes time. I'm lucky to get 20-50 credits a day from the daily VC bonus. At that rate it's going to take me 16-40 days to get one single epic card, that I then need to pro and train to the maximum level.

The guys at the bottom don't have the credits to spend like the guys at the top. Which, I mean, it makes sense if you just want us to spend a ton of money on them.

Ultra Rares (fully trained, no matter how many enhancement slots) sell incredibly well in the AH. people use them as training fodder for their cards.

[popsicle1228]

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NWGameDad, your answers are so dismissive. I can assure you, getting a single star does nothing for my deck. Yes, a pro helps, but I have almost a full season lineup of Star Pros, so another single star does very little for me. The chances of duping without spending money is very small.

I wish, for once, you'd just be honest with us. Just come out and tell us you want us to spend money. What you don't realize is this: If I don't have at least a chance to improve my deck by getting a card over my tier, I won't buy any game nights or hot streaks.

You've effectively made the RttC pointless for me to participate in. You can argue with me all you want, and you probably will never see any problem in what you are saying, but I'm not going to lose my way through to the PO card.

Sunday is Mother's Day, and I have plans. They don't include trying to inch my way towards a PO card.

This is precisely why I won't be spending any credits this RTTC. I have a star+ RTTC deck and by Friday I will likely barely break star++. Using the old strategy I was virtually guaranteed to win the card above tier if I were to purchase one large pack of hot streaks. This was a win for me because I was able to progress by participating in the event and a win for CD because I spent money. And no, winning a single star card that will take up space in my deck for months before a dupe is not progression. Especially in a game that will likely lack any support come September. By losing the strategy I don't think a large hot streak pack will be enough for me to achieve the tier above me without foregoing a lot of sleep which is not optional since it will degrade my health. That being said, I think spending $5 to $10 is a reasonable amount to spend to allow my progression through the event while also supporting the app. Unfortunately, without the strategy I see no reason to spend any money on the event let alone participate because there is no longer any incentive. It is a shame because I used to look forward to RTTC weeks even more than the RC weeks.

[G8tors]

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Ultra Rares (fully trained, no matter how many enhancement slots) sell incredibly well in the AH. people use them as training fodder for their cards.

Regular UR or Pro UR? I just searched through the AH and found 6 fully trained UR singles with less than 10 minutes remaining and zero bids on them. I would do it for the credits but I don't want to keep throwing up auctions that aren't going to sell. My trained uncommons go in like 20 minutes once I put them up.