Why can't EA make Live games Look Realistic?

[Behindshadows]

Re: Why can't EA make Live games Look Realistic?

Hey, care to share some more of that elitist attitude?

Last I checked, people enjoyed MVP and NCAA... IMMENSELY...

But I guess they're just "small minded fans boys of EA?"

if you mean NCAA March Madness yes...and MVP really isn't that great either.....I don't see why people like it...and I'm glad its gone. NCAA Football '06 is a fun football game when playing against a friend. As a single player game its boring after the 3rd or 4th Game....Like I said...I use to love EA Sports until they took consumers for granted and started keeping everything the same and using gimmicks to keep people purchasing....I don't respect that in the company. Some of us were smart enough to lure away to find a new home with the 2k series..and even with minor faults to their games...at least they improve every year..without all the flash and gimmicks..so I stand by my words. Also anyone who respects a company that will buy up the market to elimated competition are wrong anyway.....takes away our options of choice...and makes the market a bore....

Think about it....They can make madden crappy every year along with NCAA Football...and get away with it...because if you have only one choice, then your going to purchase anyway...Thank goodness no NBA Rights...because Live is a disappointment every year.....and yes small minded people don't look at the aspect of the sport to the fullest if they can honestly tell me live looks great this year. Reminds you of Konami's Run N Gun....

They should name it: NBA Midgets Gone Wild: Freestyle Edition By, EA Sports!

New Modo: EA Sports Never Change Anything! Its in the Name, But not our Games!

P.S. I said that phrase was said by small minded people...I didn't say all EA Fan boys were small minded....Some of them bought both games every year....because they were learning there was sunshine on the other side of the road.

[BigTigLSU]

Re: Why can't EA make Live games Look Realistic?

Bottom line ... camera angles sucked in Live the bodies of the players are so uneven that it is laughable. I understand what jmood was saying...the animations mixed with poor graphics + bad camera angle sure didn't help distinguishing what players were doing. Gameplay was ok but it was not enough to ignore the graphics which are becoming laughable compared to 2ksports...

[Pared]

Re: Why can't EA make Live games Look Realistic?

They should name it: NBA Midgets Gone Wild: Freestyle Edition By, EA Sports!

New Modo: EA Sports Never Change Anything! Its in the Name, But not our Games!

P.S. I said that phrase was said by small minded people...I didn't say all EA Fan boys were small minded....Some of them bought both games every year....because they were learning there was sunshine on the other side of the road.

...and you've just basically shown your true colors.

Just a little FYI, that name of the company on the game case doesn't mean SQUAT to anyone who really wants the best game out there. You're "happy" MVP is gone? How can you say that, then denounce those who have the nerve to say the same about ESPN NFL? You're going to sit there and not say that "Da Association" was an outright JOKE of a Franchise? How NBA 2k5 wasn't the first GOOD game in a long line of poor games from that series since 2k2?

Just b/c ESPN 2k5 was the shiznet doesn't make the entire company god-like. If you look at (IMO) the best games out there for each sport, you'd see it's a lot closer than you think:

Baseball - MLB 2006, MVP (TIE)
Football - ESPN 2k5, NCAA '06/'04 (TIE)
Basketball - ESPN College Hoops
Hockey - NHL 2k5, Gretzkly (Honorable Mention)
Soccer - W11 (No contest)
Boxing - FN Rd 2
Golf - Tiger Woods

Of those games, we see Konami, 989, EA, and 2k. Screw the label on the game, man. Until you rise above that, you're no better than these "fanboys" you mention...

[Pared]

Re: Why can't EA make Live games Look Realistic?

Bottom line ... camera angles sucked in Live the bodies of the players are so uneven that it is laughable. I understand what jmood was saying...the animations mixed with poor graphics + bad camera angle sure didn't help distinguishing what players were doing. Gameplay was ok but it was not enough to ignore the graphics which are becoming laughable compared to 2ksports...

Completely agree. AGAIN, for those that don't have an issue with the graphics, they should really pick up a cheap copy of Live '03 and see how much BETTER the graphics were back then.

They weren't on par with the 2k series, but geez... they were still BETTER than '05.

[Behindshadows]

Re: Why can't EA make Live games Look Realistic?

Baseball - MLB 2006, MVP (TIE)
Football - ESPN 2k5, NCAA '06/'04 (TIE)
Basketball - ESPN College Hoops
Hockey - NHL 2k5, Gretzkly (Honorable Mention)
Soccer - W11 (No contest)
Boxing - FN Rd 2
Golf - Tiger Woods

Of those games, we see Konami, 989, EA, and 2k. Screw the label on the game, man. Until you rise above that, you're no better than these "fanboys" you mention...

See the company is an issue people need to stop defending them...also the association in the NBA 2k5 was a joke....I never denied that...I said 2k does have minor flaws and true enough I still play 2k2 NBA...because the gameplay is more loose...even though the graphics are mediocre now...off all your above choices the only one I disagree with is MVP. As far as the rest you are right....Football I agree, only reason NCAA is considered is because VC never tried again after 2k3. Basketball hands down College Hoops Owned! Hockey totally agree again..I even got Gretzky on my PSP. Winning Eleven over Fifa...again I agree..FN Round 2..again I agree, but only because its the only choice. I mean really who's going to play Mike Tyson boxing..lol..and Golf Tiger woods owns...The Golf game Microsoft made was actually ok too...But yeah again...lack of Competition makes it a winner...

[kaydigi]

Re: Why can't EA make Live games Look Realistic?

Bottom line graphics matter now. We are not playing on Sega Saturns, SNES's, or Nintendo 64's.

We are about to usher in the next great video game age with PS3 and XBOX 360. Graphics have to matter along with the great gameplay.

[JWiLL02]

Re: Why can't EA make Live games Look Realistic?

I don't understand these message boards. Why do people feel the need to bash the game that they don't play?

Each year I get both Live and 2K and each game is good for their own reasons. When I feel like playing Live, I play that. When I feel like playing 2K, I play that.

Now I get Live on the PC and 2K on my Xbox, so both games look good to me. Live 2005 on a 19 inch LCD with a Radeon x700 Pro looks good enough for me! It runs hella smooth (the PS2 (ugh) and Xbox lives slow down alot) and it looks great. 2K...well it always looks nice.

Also, Live is a sim if you want it to be. Get sliders to where you want them, then play basketball how it's supposed to be played and it's a sim. Of course it won't feel like a sim if you try to dunk it every time, but I can do that in 2K too, so does that make 2K an arcade game?

The AI in both games sucks, that's the major problem with these 2 games at the moment. It looks like both franchises are headed in the right direction, although 2K is definitely leading the way in terms of innovations this year. But who has been more innovative EVERY other year? Live has. Now 2K gets a step on them and suddenly Live is "hopeless"? Give me a break.

All the arguing is just senseless. If you don't like 2K, don't buy it. If you don't like Live, don't buy it. Making fun of others for playing them or bashing the other game is just childish.

I'll stick to my yearly routine of getting both games, and enjoying both for what they are. Some of you need to stop acting like little kids. The fact that many of you are probably in your 20s or 30s is just embarassing.

[BoLo]

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See the company is an issue people need to stop defending them...also the association in the NBA 2k5 was a joke....I never denied that...I said 2k does have minor flaws and true enough I still play 2k2 NBA...because the gameplay is more loose...even though the graphics are mediocre now...off all your above choices the only one I disagree with is MVP. As far as the rest you are right....Football I agree, only reason NCAA is considered is because VC never tried again after 2k3. Basketball hands down College Hoops Owned! Hockey totally agree again..I even got Gretzky on my PSP. Winning Eleven over Fifa...again I agree..FN Round 2..again I agree, but only because its the only choice. I mean really who's going to play Mike Tyson boxing..lol..and Golf Tiger woods owns...The Golf game Microsoft made was actually ok too...But yeah again...lack of Competition makes it a winner...

You're entitled to your opinion and I respect that, all I want to know is that if you don't think MVP is the best baseball game what in your opinion is? This is one subject in which if you say ESPN is the better baseball game I will fall over and end up in a coma from sheer shock, the only baseball game that comes close to MVP is MLB and that's not all that close in the least.

Also why talk shiznit about people because they perfer a different game than what YOU like, the world does not revolve around you and last time I checked you are not God. You want to diss Madden fans and Electronic Arts cause you say that it is the same crappy game and that the people at EA do not make games for the love of it anymore they do it just for the money, well I'm here to tell you no shiznit, do you know how much time and effort goes into making a game? Have you ever written any code or programmed anything in your life? If you have I guarantee you that it is nowhere near as much coding and work that goes into making a game and to tell you the truth it's not all that fun typing millions and millions and millions lines of code, so of course they're in it for the money, so is every video game company or any other company in this world.

What you see as a flaw in games others don't, I can tell you a lot of flaws I saw in all of the 2k series games, but you did not see them because you don't see them because you love the game, and that's why you play games, no one is holding a gun to you head and telling you to play Madden (you can always just keep playing ESPN and updating the rosters and all that good stuff, so yes you do have an option in that matter) or Live or any other of the EA library of games. All games have flaws and they always will, there is no way to make a perfect game that has no flaws, it's just being able to see the flaws or being blinded by your love of the game.

[jmood88]

Re: Why can't EA make Live games Look Realistic?

I don't understand these message boards. Why do people feel the need to bash the game that they don't play?

Each year I get both Live and 2K and each game is good for their own reasons. When I feel like playing Live, I play that. When I feel like playing 2K, I play that.

Now I get Live on the PC and 2K on my Xbox, so both games look good to me. Live 2005 on a 19 inch LCD with a Radeon x700 Pro looks good enough for me! It runs hella smooth (the PS2 (ugh) and Xbox lives slow down alot) and it looks great. 2K...well it always looks nice.

Also, Live is a sim if you want it to be. Get sliders to where you want them, then play basketball how it's supposed to be played and it's a sim. Of course it won't feel like a sim if you try to dunk it every time, but I can do that in 2K too, so does that make 2K an arcade game?

The AI in both games sucks, that's the major problem with these 2 games at the moment. It looks like both franchises are headed in the right direction, although 2K is definitely leading the way in terms of innovations this year. But who has been more innovative EVERY other year? Live has. Now 2K gets a step on them and suddenly Live is "hopeless"? Give me a break.

All the arguing is just senseless. If you don't like 2K, don't buy it. If you don't like Live, don't buy it. Making fun of others for playing them or bashing the other game is just childish.

I'll stick to my yearly routine of getting both games, and enjoying both for what they are. Some of you need to stop acting like little kids. The fact that many of you are probably in your 20s or 30s is just embarassing.

This is about graphics, not gameplay. It's easy to criticize graphics before the games come out.

[Behindshadows]

Re: Why can't EA make Live games Look Realistic?

You're entitled to your opinion and I respect that, all I want to know is that if you don't think MVP is the best baseball game what in your opinion is? This is one subject in which if you say ESPN is the better baseball game I will fall over and end up in a coma from sheer shock, the only baseball game that comes close to MVP is MLB and that's not all that close in the least.

Also why talk shiznit about people because they perfer a different game than what YOU like, the world does not revolve around you and last time I checked you are not God. You want to diss Madden fans and Electronic Arts cause you say that it is the same crappy game and that the people at EA do not make games for the love of it anymore they do it just for the money, well I'm here to tell you no shiznit, do you know how much time and effort goes into making a game? Have you ever written any code or programmed anything in your life? If you have I guarantee you that it is nowhere near as much coding and work that goes into making a game and to tell you the truth it's not all that fun typing millions and millions and millions lines of code, so of course they're in it for the money, so is every video game company or any other company in this world.

What you see as a flaw in games others don't, I can tell you a lot of flaws I saw in all of the 2k series games, but you did not see them because you don't see them because you love the game, and that's why you play games, no one is holding a gun to you head and telling you to play Madden (you can always just keep playing ESPN and updating the rosters and all that good stuff, so yes you do have an option in that matter) or Live or any other of the EA library of games. All games have flaws and they always will, there is no way to make a perfect game that has no flaws, it's just being able to see the flaws or being blinded by your love of the game.

Actually I have a degree in computer animation and yes I know how long it takes...and if you noticed...Visual Concepts change every year, so your point is not made....if a lower company can improve graphics and presentation. Then why can't the billion dollar company EA do it....so your point isn't made....don't assume...the world doesn't revolve around me .... my exact statement and point was why support someone who isn't about Evolution.
No game is perfect...I do prefer Major League 2k5 over MVP its more fun to play and the presentation keeps my interest...also I like MLB 2006 on PS2 that game is impressive.....so MVP would be a last choice if I had one...again...this whole thread is about Graphics...not all the other b.s...and my point remains and stands...when it comes to this department...EA falls waaaaaaaaaaaaaay! short every year...and every year and year after year.....its sad..

[BoLo]

Re: Why can't EA make Live games Look Realistic?

Actually I have a degree in computer animation and yes I know how long it takes...and if you noticed...Visual Concepts change every year, so your point is not made....if a lower company can improve graphics and presentation. Then why can't the billion dollar company EA do it....so your point isn't made....don't assume...the world doesn't revolve around me .... my exact statement and point was why support someone who isn't about Evolution.
No game is perfect...I do prefer Major League 2k5 over MVP its more fun to play and the presentation keeps my interest...also I like MLB 2006 on PS2 that game is impressive.....so MVP would be a last choice if I had one...again...this whole thread is about Graphics...not all the other b.s...and my point remains and stands...when it comes to this department...EA falls waaaaaaaaaaaaaay! short every year...and every year and year after year.....its sad..

Well let me just say this I also have a couple different degrees in computer animation and graphics as well as programming, now that we're done with the whole beating of the chest thing lets get to the point. I do not see what changes you are talking about in any of the VC 2k series of games, and I've been playing them since the Dreamcast, the only improvements I've seen as far as graphics go is very minimal, EA is no better in that department, but they are better as far as fluid movement goes within the game, I mean look at NBA and NFL 2k5, the players move around very stiff and unrealistic, where EA games have better motion captured animations, but they don't put as much into the graphics and presentation as they are able to.

Oh and I have to say this, if you compare your personal choice (which I respect of course cause it is your right to have an opinion, and it is my right to agree or disagree with said opinion) of baseball game agianst EA's MVP, it falls extremely short in the look and feel that MVP has, the animation is horrible and the player models are not porportioned to their real-life counterparts.

[SikWitIt]

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^ You couldnt be more wrong about NFL 2k5...Have you played the game sir ? Do you realize how fluid the jukes are, the stutter steps and acceleration ? The DEFENSIVE TAckling, it has nothing at all on madden. In madden you dont even wrap a guy up to tackle. You dive all herky jerky and he falls.

[GAMEC0CK2002]

Re: Why can't EA make Live games Look Realistic?

I guess I'll chime in. To talk about realism you gotta look at graphics and animation (player models).

Unfortunately for gamers, each company excells at different things.

(In my opinion of course)
EA animation > VC animation
VC graphics > EA graphics

So the question then becomes which aspect you think is more important and how big a dip in the other department are you willing to live with.

If you include presentation in the topic of realism, then you have to give the nod to VC. I've been wishing (in vain) that EA would outsource the presentation for the NCAA, Live and Madden series to VC.

[Lebron 4 MVP]

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Nope. I have no reason to over exaggerate. I've played the game and that's what I've seen.

owning live too, i kno over exaggerating about the xbox verison, but the ps2 graf. are awful, it looks like NBA Live 99 on ps1.

[Lebron 4 MVP]

Re: Why can't EA make Live games Look Realistic?

if you mean NCAA March Madness yes...and MVP really isn't that great either.....I don't see why people like it...and I'm glad its gone. NCAA Football '06 is a fun football game when playing against a friend. As a single player game its boring after the 3rd or 4th Game....Like I said...I use to love EA Sports until they took consumers for granted and started keeping everything the same and using gimmicks to keep people purchasing....I don't respect that in the company. Some of us were smart enough to lure away to find a new home with the 2k series..and even with minor faults to their games...at least they improve every year..without all the flash and gimmicks..so I stand by my words. Also anyone who respects a company that will buy up the market to elimated competition are wrong anyway.....takes away our options of choice...and makes the market a bore....

Think about it....They can make madden crappy every year along with NCAA Football...and get away with it...because if you have only one choice, then your going to purchase anyway...Thank goodness no NBA Rights...because Live is a disappointment every year.....and yes small minded people don't look at the aspect of the sport to the fullest if they can honestly tell me live looks great this year. Reminds you of Konami's Run N Gun....

They should name it: NBA Midgets Gone Wild: Freestyle Edition By, EA Sports!

New Modo: EA Sports Never Change Anything! Its in the Name, But not our Games!

P.S. I said that phrase was said by small minded people...I didn't say all EA Fan boys were small minded....Some of them bought both games every year....because they were learning there was sunshine on the other side of the road.

for most 2k games that's true, but not for the nba games, 2k3>>>>2k4, but it did inprove with 2k5, but not by much.