You guys DO know the 10-man motion capture is the reason for the bad graphics right?

[luv_mist]

Re: You guys DO know the 10-man motion capture is the reason for the bad graphics rig

That's the problem now too many guy's or kids try to convince people what looks good and what doesn't. Take a 5 minute break and look at yourself in the mirror what do you see?

Now ask 5 different women what do they see and see if they all say the same thing about your looks. Three of them might think your the bomb and two might just think your butt ugly. But who's to say either side is wrong or foolish just because they don't see what you see.

I asked five girls and they all told me that I'm cute. Now what?? I think I'm cute. I guess that settles it?!? What was that point again? Honestly, Live sucks and this 10-man motion crap holding back the graphics is the biggest load of crock I've ever heard. Yeah, speak the wisdom of beauty in the eye of the beholder, but some things are just plain to see. This world is full of optimist and pessimist. Sometimes, there needs to be a "truth" spoken to one side or the other. Live players are optimist. Honestly, Live does have a lot of good so the graphics are probably understandable by the majority. I think putting a survey somewhere would best help us figure which side is right....

[Ofizzle]

Re: You guys DO know the 10-man motion capture is the reason for the bad graphics rig

lol...dont be...ur just sayin wat u want the case to be


Live fans like the game...and thats fair enough...they are so used to bad graphics, that they forget the game has bad graphics, and they start sayin foolish things like "Lives graphics look great"

I don't get this whole "Live fans", and "they" thing, why do people like to make one persons opinion become that of everyone? Look at your first post "Live fans kill me....they are sill in denial....u got some that think the graphics look great, now you got people making excuses for the bad graphics" their was one person that thought the graphics were great, and the thread starter said it was the mo-cap. How is that "they", and "Live fans". Most of the people in the thread seemed to say the graphics aren't great, but they don't really mind. I'm personally not a "fan" of either game, I'm an NBA basketball fan, but I don't think the graphics are great, or terrible, just decent, but it doesn't really bother me.

[luv_mist]

Re: You guys DO know the 10-man motion capture is the reason for the bad graphics right?

I have a few inquiries if you guys don't mind. Everyone answer them or just one or two people. When you play a game, what do you consider the gameplay vs. the graphics? Secondly, what do ya'll see as good graphics in comparison to what is realistically captured? Personally, I do think that Live graphics are horrible and that takes away from my like for the game a lot. I still play it, but only for so long. I'm not trying to cause conflict, but rather trying to understand the mindsets of those who do accept that type of output graphically. I know I'm particular about certain things while I'm very lenient on others. I just feel the need to be more understanding. Someone enlighten me PLEASE!!

[JOEdellis]

Re: You guys DO know the 10-man motion capture is the reason for the bad graphics rig

lol.....Live fans kill me....they are sill in denial....u got some that think the graphics look great, now you got people making excuses for the bad graphics

the game might be great....NBA 2k6 might suck.......we will have to buy the games to tell.....but the graphics will always suck in Live....and we seen enough videos and screens to tell that......you cant judge a book by its cover.....but you can sure judge the cover....and Live has some ugly graphics compared to xbox/ps2 games......thats a fact

real talk

[y2dan]

Re: You guys DO know the 10-man motion capture is the reason for the bad graphics rig

lol.....Live fans kill me....they are sill in denial....u got some that think the graphics look great, now you got people making excuses for the bad graphics

the game might be great....NBA 2k6 might suck.......we will have to buy the games to tell.....but the graphics will always suck in Live....and we seen enough videos and screens to tell that......you cant judge a book by its cover.....but you can sure judge the cover....and Live has some ugly graphics compared to xbox/ps2 games......thats a fact

That's your opinion, and that's fine. Who are you to say that Live fans are in denial? If people enjoy the graphics in NBA Live, what's wrong with that? Not everyone has to agree with you.

Furthermore, I don't see how you can call this a "fact" - it's an opinion.

[jfsolo]

Re: You guys DO know the 10-man motion capture is the reason for the bad graphics right?

I have a few inquiries if you guys don't mind. Everyone answer them or just one or two people. When you play a game, what do you consider the gameplay vs. the graphics? Secondly, what do ya'll see as good graphics in comparison to what is realistically captured? Personally, I do think that Live graphics are horrible and that takes away from my like for the game a lot. I still play it, but only for so long. I'm not trying to cause conflict, but rather trying to understand the mindsets of those who do accept that type of output graphically. I know I'm particular about certain things while I'm very lenient on others. I just feel the need to be more understanding. Someone enlighten me PLEASE!!

For me graphics are dead last on my list of priorities. Now of course when I watch the vids of Live I see that the player models aren't as asthetically pleasing as some other games, but that honestly doesn't cause me to downgrade the game at all.

I'm going to play 100% of my games vs the CPU(I think these games still have a long way to go before the two player experience is to my liking), so I'm looking at things like the A.I. decision making, the collision detection, how realistic are the physics, are the ratings realistically represented in the gameplay, etc. If those elements are sound, the franchise is deep, and the stats engine is solid then I will play the hell out of the game and not care about the graphics a bit. I feel like 2k has been doing a better job with these elements, but if Live ends up doing better in those areas this year, I'll switch back in two seconds. I won't be on here saying, "Live's player models are gorgeous", but I'll simply say, "This is a great game."

Remember a little game called High Heat Baseball. A lot of guys couldn't get into it because of the graphics, but I still think the 2002-2004 versions are better than the latest versions of MVP, ESPN/2k, and MLB.

[inkcil]

Re: You guys DO know the 10-man motion capture is the reason for the bad graphics right?

I have a few inquiries if you guys don't mind. Everyone answer them or just one or two people. When you play a game, what do you consider the gameplay vs. the graphics? Secondly, what do ya'll see as good graphics in comparison to what is realistically captured? Personally, I do think that Live graphics are horrible and that takes away from my like for the game a lot. I still play it, but only for so long. I'm not trying to cause conflict, but rather trying to understand the mindsets of those who do accept that type of output graphically. I know I'm particular about certain things while I'm very lenient on others. I just feel the need to be more understanding. Someone enlighten me PLEASE!!

Do I consider the gameplay vs. the graphics? I don't know exactly what you mean, but I beleive that in this day and age we should have both.

In comparison to what is realistically captured? I don't even understand the question (I'm not trying to be smart).

Well, for me, I liked Live last year b/c for some reason, it really felt fun to play, and the players played like themselves. But then there were gamplay problems to balance that out, such as Super Pointguards and players stopping to catch the ball on fast breaks.

I really don't like the cartoony graphics of any of EA's games, including Live. They are all just tolerable, IMO. Let me elaborate then, on why I play certain EA games:

MVP Baseball: This game was outclassed by MLB 2k in the graphics dept., but the animations were awful, including the post-contact swing of all batters and the constant crouching of the feilders and the throwing animations, ugh.
So despite MVP's cartoon look, players actually moved like the human beings that you see on TV, which is why I chose that game.

NFL 2K: This game had graphics AND animations. It played stiff, but to me, football is kinda a stiff-looking game when you watch those guys move around in their pads, so it worked for the look of the game. No need to mention the other game.

NBA Live: Which brings us back to Live, while NBA 2k5 had better graphics and player models, I just didn't like how ev'one was a slim-n-trim, ripped-up version of themselves. It was Twilight-zoneish. The cartoony look of Live was Twilight-zonish too, so as far as graphics, it came down to which demension of the Twilight Zone I wanted to play hoops in.

The deciding factor would come with the animations. Just ev'thing about the way the players moved in Live was smooth and fluid, although sometimes too smooth. But I'd rather have too smooth over too stiff, just my personal preference.

Last year it was just too sweet to drive across the baseline, press the dunk button on the right side of the basket, and watch the baller glide under the hoop and see his arm emerge on th left side of the basket for the under-the-hoop dunk. The animations, the animations, the animations man. They needed to get rid of some animations, such as the "crouching tiger" dribbling, but man, after playing the demo, it seems this game has even more animations, plus they've worked on the fastbreak thing...

Hope that helps explain why I liked the game.

[inkcil]

Re: You guys DO know the 10-man motion capture is the reason for the bad graphics right?

Remember a little game called High Heat Baseball. A lot of guys couldn't get into it because of the graphics, but I still think the 2002-2004 versions are better than the latest versions of MVP, ESPN/2k, and MLB.

Exactly...with the exception of MVP's animations, of course. That's the only thing any of those games had on the old HH you mentioned.

[BigTigLSU]

Re: You guys DO know the 10-man motion capture is the reason for the bad graphics right?

But is live's gameplay good enough to make up for the subpar graphics...

[Vince]

Re: You guys DO know the 10-man motion capture is the reason for the bad graphics rig

Since when is Live's Gameplay any good?

[mavsman27]

Re: You guys DO know the 10-man motion capture is the reason for the bad graphics right?

But is live's gameplay good enough to make up for the subpar graphics...

NO


2k's gameplay owns Live and its not even close. Add in better graphics and presentation, a deeper franchise mode as well as the Road to EBC and you have total domination.

2k > live

[RubenDouglas]

Re: You guys DO know the 10-man motion capture is the reason for the bad graphics rig

NO


2k's gameplay owns Live and its not even close. Add in better graphics and presentation, a deeper franchise mode as well as the Road to EBC and you have total domination.

2k > live

c'mon dude. do you even know what youre talking about? live's franchise mode was top notch last year. Get your biased views outta here

[Playmakers]

Re: You guys DO know the 10-man motion capture is the reason for the bad graphics rig

Since when is Live's Gameplay any good?

Since I started making my own Sliders and player edits for gameplay during my franchise.....

I put in time and hard work with the Sliders EA provide us for Live and once I'm done I have gameplay that is outstanding. Maybe if guy's quit waiting on games to be perfect or close to perfect right out of the box they could find a good setup on their own by tweaking Sliders and editing ratings.

It took me about 2 weeks to find a great setup but hey EA wasn't going to do the work for me so putting in time can make the gameplay much better overall. All games are like that for the most. If guy's dedicated themselves more with Live like they do with Madden, ESPN Football, ESPN Basketball or MVP then maybe they'll see results aswell.

But hey not everyone has the time or patience to do those things. I just take the tools EA provided me with and roll with it....

[Playmakers]

Re: You guys DO know the 10-man motion capture is the reason for the bad graphics right?

I also think that the guy who mentioned High Heat Baseball was very accurate.

That game never had the best graphics but the gameplay was freakin oustanding and that is why I played it for so long. I'm sure graphics are what sale these games but what good is graphics if the gameplay sucks?

[KBomber]

Re: You guys DO know the 10-man motion capture is the reason for the bad graphics rig

For me, 10-man mo-cap is really a front that hides a game with relatively weak AI. I like Live 2005, but the gameplay isn't highly realized, especially when you consider the limitations of the playbook. Start looking beyond the flash of 10-man mo-cap and really get into what the CPU is doing and you shouldn't be surprised by what you see as being reflective of a limited AI engine. It's difficult to analyze because EA has provided a ridiculous replay feature, and I think it is on purpose, so that it makes it difficult to dissect what is happening a lot of the time

I've said it before, but EA's general philosophy is to make relatively generic games that capture the interest of the broader spectrum of gamers and that's fine. Live, for me, is like a casual run with buddies, but if I want something more in-depth I go to College Hoops/NBA 2k5 or Inside Drive 2004

Ten man mo-cap gives the illusion of great AI, but the function of the actual AI is pretty cheap when you really start to break it down and not well based in anything very realistic at all. My hope for Live 2006 is that EA scraps some of the flashy stuff (dunk contests, ASW, etc.) and inserts some more realism into the core gameplay of the title

Have fun................