Ratings are up on IGN

[Leahmic223]

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You can't please some people I swear...

You don't make a better rating system, people bitch about it...

You make a system that consists of over 60 different types of ratings and now people aren't happy.

WEll we don't know if it is good or not. I am NOT saying that. I keep saying in my post words like "I Think" "IMO" "Probably" "I am Skeptical"

Based off of the vids I have seen, it doesn't look like those ratings are in affect. I will say it for the 3rd time now, MAYBE I am wrong, or most likely I am wrong. But all I am doing is predicting, what is so wrong with that?

[nogster]

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my take on the ratings is that its all the individual attributes that count. the inside, outside, teamwork, defense etc ratings are the collective averages of each sub segment.
now teamwork is obviously not the dictionary term in this game.
i think the teamwork rating is more how "involved that player is in his team" how well the "team" "works" when the said player is on the court due to their culminative playmaking attributes. not how unselfish they are. thats why most point guards and all stars have a 90+ rating. pgs are the primary ball handlers and playmakers so they are always involved, and allstars well they are the best players on their team so they are obviously very important to the "team".
thats my take on it.
the individual attributes will be what makes the averages. they are what count. not the other way around.
thats why lebron would be so high in defense [ridiculous i know and i will be changing that] and bowen only 80. [ridiculous again.] but lebrons defense "statwise" is great [steals, blocks, defensive rebounds etc. its in the intagibles that he is weak and thats where i will be changing him. then bowen is the opposite..but as always with nba vidgames. u have to put bowens steals and blocks and rebounding higher than what they are in reality if u want him to have the right defensive "average", as those attributes are what culminates the rating.

[Vince]

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WEll we don't know if it is good or not. I am NOT saying that. I keep saying in my post words like "I Think" "IMO" "Probably" "I am Skeptical"

Based off of the vids I have seen, it doesn't look like those ratings are in affect. I will say it for the 3rd time now, MAYBE I am wrong, or most likely I am wrong. But all I am doing is predicting, what is so wrong with that?

LMAO..using 1 minutes vids to judge whether the ratings are in play or not..

I agree about Ea being stupid and not coming out with more vids though.

[JiggidyJames]

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What exactly does the Teamwork rating do? I don't know, but I'm going to go out a limb and say that it replaces the old...damn, I can't remember the name. It was the second to last rating on the player edit screen. It was the rating that determined how much a part of the offense the player was.

[WTF]

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Primacy rating? How much a player gets the ball?

[nogster]

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primacy.
primacy from my understanding was basically "clutch factor" and "go to guy" combined.
team work i reckon is the culmination of all playmaker attributes. handle attributes, off awareness attributes and passing attributes etc.

[JiggidyJames]

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Yes, primacy.

How the heck did I forget it? Wait, nevermind...

[Playmakers]

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my take on the ratings is that its all the individual attributes that count. the inside, outside, teamwork, defense etc ratings are the collective averages of each sub segment.
now teamwork is obviously not the dictionary term in this game.
i think the teamwork rating is more how "involved that player is in his team" how well the "team" "works" when the said player is on the court due to their culminative playmaking attributes. not how unselfish they are. thats why most point guards and all stars have a 90+ rating. pgs are the primary ball handlers and playmakers so they are always involved, and allstars well they are the best players on their team so they are obviously very important to the "team".
thats my take on it.
the individual attributes will be what makes the averages. they are what count. not the other way around.
thats why lebron would be so high in defense [ridiculous i know and i will be changing that] and bowen only 80. [ridiculous again.] but lebrons defense "statwise" is great [steals, blocks, defensive rebounds etc. its in the intagibles that he is weak and thats where i will be changing him. then bowen is the opposite..but as always with nba vidgames. u have to put bowens steals and blocks and rebounding higher than what they are in reality if u want him to have the right defensive "average", as those attributes are what culminates the rating.

If only more guy's actually took the time to understand ratings instead of just saying something is wrong. I kinda felt like most of what you said is true after looking over all the ratings in the game myself. I think I kinda know what EA is doing and not what most people think......some of the ratings they are thinking means one thing and in reality it doesn't and you nailed one of them down correctly (team work). The defensive rating I'm also betting they are taking into account not how well LBJ plays man to man defense like people are thinking but how good he is in getting steals or block shots aswell. Bowen is much better man o man but Bowen doesn't really get you steals or block shots in a game. I'm thinking EA assigned like 3 defensive rating catagories and then came up with an overall rating for defense.

But it's a video game and LBJ is like the face of the NBA and regardless if we agree with the ratings EA assigned him most star players in VIDEO GAMES will get OVERATED no matter what......why becuase they are stars and just like in the real NBA they get SPECIAL treatment and you can't control that either.

[Ofizzle]

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The point is, every game has messed up ratings. Every single sports game that come out has ratings that we don't agree on.

I can't disagree with that, my point is that they truly don't put as much effort as they could into the ratings, and when the ratings get extensive like this, us as users don't want to have to edit 73 ratings for basically every single player in the game.

They could hire someone that knew basketabll for fairly cheap since it wouldn't take that long, to just go through all the players and do more accurate ratings in like a week, and this problem will be minimized drastically.

I hear ya to a point...The days when there were 6 ratings (I even go back to when there was one rating) are gone. With 70+ ratings, one would think that it maybe a combination of things. I don't know, never claimed I did. I am just saying that everyone's going nuts over this without the game or anything. I am no EA apologist--I've played 2K the past 3 years--but my opinion is that all of these ratings effect those "classic" ratings that people argue about. Who knows?

I personally am not angry at the ratings, I love them, the depth of ratings that is, I'm just dissapointed in how year in and year out they constantly can't just get someone to help them understand who does what in real life etc and to mimic that. There are things that just aren't obvious to the normal fan, and they need to get someone who knows the game (basketball) to help them with these things. Though the even worse part is that they miss a lot of obvious things for some reason. If a rating is withing 2-4 points, it's fine, it's when you start getting ratings that are off by like 20 points that it get's a little dissapointing.

[cjonesfan921]

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I can't disagree with that, my point is that they truly don't put as much effort as they could into the ratings, and when the ratings get extensive like this, us as users don't want to have to edit 73 ratings for basically every single player in the game.

I agree, but also we don't know how the game plays yet with these ratings. There are so many ratings that in fact maybe these guys do play like their counterparts, or close to it. We just have to wait and see really. I'm not a fan of knocking the ratings, especially when there is a ton and it is the first time we have seen 'em, until we have tried them. It's not like it's a basic rating system with offense, defense, ovr. That we cna critique because it is very basic but with the 70+ rating system, I will wait and see.

[RubenDouglas]

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I agree, but also we don't know how the game plays yet with these ratings. There are so many ratings that in fact maybe these guys do play like their counterparts, or close to it. We just have to wait and see really. I'm not a fan of knocking the ratings, especially when there is a ton and it is the first time we have seen 'em, until we have tried them. It's not like it's a basic rating system with offense, defense, ovr. That we cna critique because it is very basic but with the 70+ rating system, I will wait and see.

i agree . maybe kobes 99 teamwork rating is needed so he gets more touches than everyone else.

itll be hard singling out just one rating for all these different aspects.. its almost TOO MUCH if implemented wrong on their end

[Leahmic223]

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I'm thinking EA assigned like 3 defensive rating catagories and then came up with an overall rating for defense.

I don't get it, I have been saying that and people turn around and tell me to stop bashing the ratings.

All I was saying if it is like that (where sub ratings contribute to the overall of the main ratings) then the sub-ratings possibly don't mean anything.

I could be wrong once again, I am just guessing. It is hard to beleive that EA did all of this correctly in one year, they usually screw up the first year they add something new and that is why I said that.

[luv_mist]

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You guys are funny. Heck of a lot of ratings I will admit. Disappointed in the overall Bulls defense. I mean, no respect still. Guess them West Coast boys are a little sour from the last few times. Love the speculations I'm hearing from you geniuses in here. Keep up the good work. Man, if those ratings transformed this game into something of beauty, I'd be feeling it on the real. Hopefully the minor things that get on my nerves about this game could be adjusted for me to play it. That way, I'd have no problem putting up a few bucks to play. Definitely can't wait to see what the impressions look like.

[motorcrossman1]

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Exactly. And stats are the best way to do ratings, because otherwise you have nothing to base them on. The developers can't have seen every single player in the league play, and even if they have, they can't have seen every game that player played in. As a result, you have to use stats to judge people you haven't seen. Saying "I think this player should x in shot blocking" would only make sense if he blocks a lot of shots. Hence you do the formula based on the stats, and if he is a good shot-blocker, the game will reflect this. A player who gets few steals should not have a high steal rating. A player who doesn't pass the ball or get assists, like Kobe, should not have a high teamwork rating. Sure, I may not know what all the ratings mean, but teamwork is pretty self explanatory. Look it up in the dictionary. You will not find "person who gets no assists and doesn't pass the ball" to be the definition.

Yes you do have a chance to watch alot of the games, if you watch 20-25 games usually you would the way that person plays in and out. This is just like NFL, if you into it eunff you will know how good everyone is.

[Lynsanity]

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Let's see how this game plays and sims before we call this a total disaster. I think Kobe is a better defender than LBJ, but I know that LBJ is superior stat wise. If they play similar to their real counterparts, and get similar stats during games and simulation, I can live with a couple missteps.

It is the same as the Chicago Bulls. I have a feeling that they will play much better defensively as a team than we are anticipating based on their stats.