NBA Live's + EA's credibility is on the line...

[edubbs]

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What do you fellas think? Simply PR hype? Or a legit change of direction and a big step forward in basketball gaming?

I believe it's legit.

Not because of what Live producers are saying but, as a result of playing A TON of play now games of Live09.

I believe these guys do really have something special going on here with the engine that's driving this franchise.

Live is already the best NBA game in regards to:

-Authenic NBA sets/playbooks
-playcalling executiion
-pick and rolls/Iso's (staples of every team IRL NBA)
-court spacing
-footplanting

They just need to expand on this stuff.

With that being said. I really do not get all of the talk of Live being completely NextGen including the graphics. The visuals and animations are far from NextGen IMO.

And this is where ALOT of my concerns are.

Will they be able to match the animation quality and quantity of the 2k series? In the ESPN interview they say they would.

Live have had horrible animations for years now.

There are posters throwing the "new engine/truely NextGEN" statements around a little too loosely when it comes to Live IMO.

Animations, player models, and arena specific lighting have all been average with this so called 'NextGen engine' that they are using.

I'm sorry, having the player action on the floor running at 60 fps and the fans flickering at 30FPS is NOT NextGen.

Having dark arena lighting for every arena is NOT Nextgen. BTW, this is another issue they mentioned they will be fixing per the Espn interview.

So, my only reservations with EA's credibility is in regards to whether they can get the quality of the visuals up to match the gameplay, the DNA 365, and the footplanting technology.

Per the interview, I'm glad they recognise these things as issues.

But, I'll have to wait to see the game in motion to see how much they have improved these areas.

[kwas676]

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Edubbs I agree with pretty much with what you said except for the lighting I'm the opposite imo I think the lighting in some arenas is to bright I mean look at the knicks and celtics arena, i would also add sig jump shots to the list of things live 09 did good there not all perfect but there are some real good ones, some that even look better then 2ks but they still lack depth. But yeah I think live as well as 2k10 will be good I dont do the whole great thing its either good or bad simple as that.

[Court_vision]

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Geez, this thread went downhill fast.

Mods...please lock it.

[Behindshadows]

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Geez, this thread went downhill fast.

Mods...please lock it.

nothing wrong with the thread man, I'm sorry I went on a rampage. Just really not good to bring up anything EA now a days and even compare it too anything 2k, EA sports is the most hated no matter what they do.

And even though you and I give them credit along with KDRE and many others.

People just will never like them no matter how great or good Live becomes! Live 06,07, and 08 just left that bitter taste in a lot of people mouths and negativity in their minds.

EA Credibility was proved this year, and it's just up too marcus, mike and the rest of the crew to keep it going forward.

Because they are on too something good, and even in the interview they admitted that the lack of animations to do what they wanted to do, made them toss controllers, not to mention they are working on authentic sounds and other things to add to the stadiums and overall presentation experience. So far they showed us it's possible.

Let's hope it grows from there.

[Tomba]

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Madden NFL 10 and NBA Live 10 will be significant games in 09.

[23]

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Agreed Tomba

That said for the reasons Shadows listed (live 06, especially 07 and passable only after massive tweaks 08) are the reasons EA has little to no credibility right now... so saying they're in danger of losing it kinda makes me chuckle.


They can promise all day but until they show people, folks arent going to flock to EA's sports games because of the past that they've created. I honestly cannot blame them whether that's beluba's fault or not EA as a whole has alot of work to do and while I do believe they are working on it, others wont care a lick about that until they get results because the alternative satisfies them.

Make a great game and people will come eventually if they love the sport. I believe EA can do it because they've done it before, and they have to show us again that they can once more.

[Behindshadows]

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Agreed Tomba

That said for the reasons Shadows listed (live 06, especially 07 and passable only after massive tweaks 08) are the reasons EA has little to no credibility right now... so saying they're in danger of losing it kinda makes me chuckle.


They can promise all day but until they show people, folks arent going to flock to EA sports games because of the past that they created. I honestly cannot blame them whether that's beluba's fault or not EA as a whole has alot of work to do and while I do believe they are working on it, other wont care a lick about that until they get results because the alternative satisfies them.

Make a great game and people will come eventually if they love the sport. I believe EA can do it because they've done it before, and they have to show us again that they can once more.

Preach on my Brotha!!!

We can only pray that EA delivers with 2010 Please Lawd don't let it suck!!!

[jadert]

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How quick we forget......

In the late 90's, Live was King of the Mountain. Everything else was trash according to most. When Live began it's decline in the early- mid 2000's, Live players ( I hate that word "fanboy") refused to change even though the quality went down. Eventually, seeking a good sim they switched to 2K.

All of that talk about 2k "fanboys" and people not being open is nonsense. Most of the 2K "fanboys" were in fact Live players. If Live makes a quality product (not just a better product than the last) and can stand up against the competition instead of just "improving" over their last effort, then guess what? People WILL switch back.

All of us basketball video game players are always seeking a good sim. Even those that claim EA is just blowing smoke out of their butt will change to Live once its proven as the better game. I'm going to buy Live next year because personally I believe them. Others may have to see it to believe it

Whoever makes the best sim, will eventually get the support, it's always worked that way right?

[Court_vision]

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How quick we forget......

In the late 90's, Live was King of the Mountain. Everything else was trash according to most. When Live began it's decline in the early- mid 2000's, Live players ( I hate that word "fanboy") refused to change even though the quality went down. Eventually, seeking a good sim they switched to 2K.

All of that talk about 2k "fanboys" and people not being open is nonsense. Most of the 2K "fanboys" were in fact Live players. If Live makes a quality product (not just a better product than the last) and can stand up against the competition instead of just "improving" over their last effort, then guess what? People WILL switch back.

All of us basketball video game players are always seeking a good sim. Even those that claim EA is just blowing smoke out of their butt will change to Live once its proven as the better game. I'm going to buy Live next year because personally I believe them. Others may have to see it to believe it

Whoever makes the best sim, will eventually get the support, it's always worked that way right?

Great post.

[AtlantaFalconFan]

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man i am the biggest 2k fan but with this and even mlb i dont know what to say anymore to protect them its speechless because they should be focusing more in these games now since their is no more NFL. i honestly am so fed up with the nba2k9 game that i am gonna switch to live 09 reallyyyy soon i cant freaking play anymore online games with my cavs with lebron takeing 1000 years to set up and shot a jump shot. so many minor annoyments also to the game with stiff animations and what not i have had nba2k since the dreamcast games thats the reason i dont wanna go to live it seems like i am turning my back on a franchise that gave me so much joy. arghhh time to go play agian and hope i can bare with it.

[kwas676]

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man i am the biggest 2k fan but with this and even mlb i dont know what to say anymore to protect them its speechless because they should be focusing more in these games now since their is no more NFL. i honestly am so fed up with the nba2k9 game that i am gonna switch to live 09 reallyyyy soon i cant freaking play anymore online games with my cavs with lebron takeing 1000 years to set up and shot a jump shot. so many minor annoyments also to the game with stiff animations and what not i have had nba2k since the dreamcast games thats the reason i dont wanna go to live it seems like i am turning my back on a franchise that gave me so much joy. arghhh time to go play agian and hope i can bare with it.

Arrhh I would hold of till live 10 or rent 09 first imo first i ll state i really can't stand both game online live shines more offline then online, online people just obuse the layup/dunk button and its kind of hard to play d, and nothing but fastbreaks, I know its like that in 2k9 at times but its kinda worse in live. but offline its great with dna and players and teams playing like the do in real life, lebron james sig shot and fadeway are well done in live, couple other sig shots that look better in live then 2k.

[Behindshadows]

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man i am the biggest 2k fan but with this and even mlb i dont know what to say anymore to protect them its speechless because they should be focusing more in these games now since their is no more NFL. i honestly am so fed up with the nba2k9 game that i am gonna switch to live 09 reallyyyy soon i cant freaking play anymore online games with my cavs with lebron takeing 1000 years to set up and shot a jump shot. so many minor annoyments also to the game with stiff animations and what not i have had nba2k since the dreamcast games thats the reason i dont wanna go to live it seems like i am turning my back on a franchise that gave me so much joy. arghhh time to go play agian and hope i can bare with it.

Don't rent Live 09 because you won't get the full experience of the game with the Live 365 NBA updates. Just buy it new you won't be disappointed. Not to mention it's dropped price to $39 everywhere, just hit a local gamestop up. The game is worth the paper and it has so much potential. I know the above poster said,"wait until Live 10". But who wants to wait another 8 months just to play good basketball right now.

Get the game and enjoy it man, that's all I got to say!

[AtlantaFalconFan]

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Don't rent Live 09 because you won't get the full experience of the game with the Live 365 NBA updates. Just buy it new you won't be disappointed. Not to mention it's dropped price to $39 everywhere, just hit a local gamestop up. The game is worth the paper and it has so much potential. I know the above poster said,"wait until Live 10". But who wants to wait another 8 months just to play good basketball right now.

Get the game and enjoy it man, that's all I got to say!

going to go trade in 2k right now for live what a sad moment wow.

[kmart2180]

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The way I compare the 2 are like this. NBA Live is a house that was built with a high ceiling, but was started from scratch/from the basement up. So the add on potentials are unlimited. But it took awhile to look good. Eventually this will end up being a mansion.

Where as NBA2K was a already built home with a great finish. So you could move right in and love it. But in the future you cannot expand on it because it wasnt built with a high ceiling. The home will always look good but will never be able to become anything better than that due to its older foundation. Unless you knock it down and start over , theres only so many little touches left for you to keep it looking good.

Live paid the price and even lost me as a fan in the early next gen years but It has slowly won me back. And with 2K's own man on board with Live10 you know things are gonna be great. I've read what he has said and believe he is 100% correct about 2k being limited and Live having the room to grow.

Cannot wait to see what NBA Live 10 has instore for us.

[Court_vision]

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The way I compare the 2 are like this. NBA Live is a house that was built with a high ceiling, but was started from scratch/from the basement up. So the add on potentials are unlimited. But it took awhile to look good. Eventually this will end up being a mansion.

Where as NBA2K was a already built home with a great finish. So you could move right in and love it. But in the future you cannot expand on it because it wasnt built with a high ceiling. The home will always look good but will never be able to become anything better than that due to its older foundation. Unless you knock it down and start over , theres only so many little touches left for you to keep it looking good.

Live paid the price and even lost me as a fan in the early next gen years but It has slowly won me back. And with 2K's own man on board with Live10 you know things are gonna be great. I've read what he has said and believe he is 100% correct about 2k being limited and Live having the room to grow.

Cannot wait to see what NBA Live 10 has instore for us.

Good analogy