Amazing find! Make EVERYONE's Agility rating a global 40

[carnalnirvana]

Re: Amazing find! Make EVERYONE's Agility rating a global 40

Depending on if Tomba does it or not you don't have to make them the same rating as stated earlier.

About the only ratings I'd touch globally is the Agility and Verticals.

After that i think it's wise to just do individual player tweaks this year. Like 1-2 players per team but only if you see the guy not playing the way he should.

Shaq is a good example I'd individually tweak a few things on Shaq to make him more physical and less likley to shoot any jumpers.

A guy like Dampier I'd make him strictly a garbage man around the basket meaning he's only going to grab offensive boards and try to score inside off rebounds with dunks. His entire shooting mentality should be reduced down and his DNA for setting the screen should be really high because the Mavs offense only involves Dampier as the screener.

Also, IMO the fastbreaks aren't really broken as I explained to the guys in the slider thread. It's the level's you play on that seem to take away the fastbreak and transistion game. On Pro Level the CPU and Human can fastbreak pretty realistic. In fact i'd say the CPU's fastbreak logic on Pro is the best I've seen on any skill level this year.

You can tweak the Fastbreak Anticipation ratings just a little but i'd only do that for only for about 10-15 guys who really want to see stand out in transistion. A guy like LBJ or Wade making them damn near impossible to handle in the open floor.

So i don't know if Tomba is going to do this or not....he's more of a guy that focuses on player movement and such where as I'm a little more hands on with their actual tendencies and ratings.

But i probably won't do as much editing in Live 10 as i've done in years past because I'm working on rosters outside of basketball right now.

most of the bigs i have playing their real game, any new theories you thinking about ? i am on vacation this week and will be doing some editing/ tweaks....

i want to look at rebounding tomorrow, especially the offensive reb, right now i see guys rated really weak in offensive: box out, rebs in general and sink & swim. last year after basic edits guys battled for rebs and positioning and the ratings seemed to determine the outcome not just VERTICALS...

i just cant remember seeing a rebound hitting the floor in the crowded paint before some one grabs it( in the nba) AND i know live can play better.

[Jano]

Re: Amazing find! Make EVERYONE's Agility rating a global 40

Wow what a difference these edits make I lowered everyone's agility and vert ratings by 40 and now everything just looks so much better.

The jumpshots are easier to to control because the players aren't jumping at super speed anymore. And the difference between the fast and slow players is still there but now it not only looks better but players better too.

Defensively the game is also improved slow footed guys like Perkins are no longer burning me. Because even when they get the first step if your guys quicker you can still stay in front. This wasn't the case w/ the original ratings at all.

This was a great find Tomba, hopefully the devs can make these same edits so that we don't have to redo the ratings every time.

[Playmakers]

Re: Amazing find! Make EVERYONE's Agility rating a global 40

most of the bigs i have playing their real game, any new theories you thinking about ? i am on vacation this week and will be doing some editing/ tweaks....

i want to look at rebounding tomorrow, especially the offensive reb, right now i see guys rated really weak in offensive: box out, rebs in general and sink & swim. last year after basic edits guys battled for rebs and positioning and the ratings seemed to determine the outcome not just VERTICALS...

i just cant remember seeing a rebound hitting the floor in the crowded paint before some one grabs it( in the nba) AND i know live can play better.

Well for one I could show many ratings that is totally off in Live 10 just like in Live 09. Not sure why they don't just redo the entire ratings process.

Seriously Shawn Marion is a 75 rated Vertical and Dirk is a 72 with Tim Thomas at 70.



That is the type of crap I've been having to adjust for the last 3-4 years on my own. No way in hell Dirk even though i love the guy should be half the leaper that the Matrix is in this game.

That is also why so many BIG's look out of place when rebounding and dunking. They might aswell just jump straight to the moon whith those types of ratings.

I mean come on Diop looks like Olajuwon when he leaves the floor.

There are some more things that discourage me but I voiced my concerns last year and it appears not much has changed so maybe they should just hide the ratings because a guy like myself is going to notice these damn things and get upset year after year.

That why i said in even during the demo i didn't have to really waite for the Final version to know the type of things that would need edited. I voiced my concerns over the verticals and agility way back in September along with the fastbreaks. But at least fast breaks IMO don't need touched now since I moved down to Pro Level.

[Tomba]

Re: Amazing find! Make EVERYONE's Agility rating a global 40

Well for one I could show many ratings that is totally off in Live 10 just like in Live 09. Not sure why they don't just redo the entire ratings process.

Seriously Shawn Marion is a 75 rated Vertical and Dirk is a 72 with Tim Thomas at 70.



That is the type of crap I've been having to adjust for the last 3-4 years on my own. No way in hell Dirk even though i love the guy should be half the leaper that the Matrix is in this game.

That is also why so many BIG's look out of place when rebounding and dunking. They might aswell just jump straight to the moon whith those types of ratings.

I mean come on Diop looks like Olajuwon when he leaves the floor.

There are some more things that discourage me but I voiced my concerns last year and it appears not much has changed so maybe they should just hide the ratings because a guy like myself is going to notice these damn things and get upset year after year.

That why i said in even during the demo i didn't have to really waite for the Final version to know the type of things that would need edited. I voiced my concerns over the verticals and agility way back in September along with the fastbreaks. But at least fast breaks IMO don't need touched now since I moved down to Pro Level.

I think the "direction" of the game that the dev team took was not more sim but moreso two-player/online. It's very evident from the animation set with dribbling. big guys can dribble simple. it's NOT like before where a lowering of a dribbling attribute actually ELIMINATED some dribbling mores. they are still there

Biggest problem right now IS the dribbling for me. Cats is crazy wit it

[carnalnirvana]

Re: Amazing find! Make EVERYONE's Agility rating a global 40

I think the "direction" of the game that the dev team took was not more sim but moreso two-player/online. It's very evident from the animation set with dribbling. big guys can dribble simple. it's NOT like before where a lowering of a dribbling attribute actually ELIMINATED some dribbling mores. they are still there

Biggest problem right now IS the dribbling for me. Cats is crazy wit it

how is dribbling a problem, nothing struck me as of yet, other than then driving from a bit out, i have seen some big guy put it through his legs once but he quickly picked it up...

[Tomba]

Re: Amazing find! Make EVERYONE's Agility rating a global 40

how is dribbling a problem, nothing struck me as of yet, other than then driving from a bit out, i have seen some big guy put it through his legs once but he quickly picked it up...

It's rampant...

Big men should not be able to have the ability to have the same dribble set,even user controlled wise as maybe say a guard or forward.

[ScoobySnax]

Re: Amazing find! Make EVERYONE's Agility rating a global 40

Players in the league aren't equally agile. I'm not really understanding why this would be a good thing either. I haven't tried it, but I'm happy with the way the game runs.

I agree. Please do not change the gameplay. I dont want this hampering the DNA experience either. I am perfectly fine with how the game runs. It really feels like NBA basketball and I want it to stay that way. Im not hating on this "amazing find" (im sure it's probably great), but I love how the game plays out of the box.

[moemoe24]

Re: Amazing find! Make EVERYONE's Agility rating a global 40

I agree. Please do not change the gameplay. I dont want this hampering the DNA experience either. I am perfectly fine with how the game runs. It really feels like NBA basketball and I want it to stay that way. Im not hating on this "amazing find" (im sure it's probably great), but I love how the game plays out of the box.

I also agree with this. I tried it for 3 games and got burned time after time on defense. Put i back to the normal agility ratings and had 2 great games. I guess whatever floats your boat

[Playmakers]

Re: Amazing find! Make EVERYONE's Agility rating a global 40

I agree. Please do not change the gameplay. I dont want this hampering the DNA experience either. I am perfectly fine with how the game runs. It really feels like NBA basketball and I want it to stay that way. Im not hating on this "amazing find" (im sure it's probably great), but I love how the game plays out of the box.

How is reducing Agility going to effect a DNA tendency?

I mean come on some of you guys are paranoid about everything. This edit helps game play plan and simple.

I don't agree with all players being equal but just think of it on 0-50 scale as opposed to a 0-100 scale for Agility. You still get player seperation and different agility it's just that the rating overall has been reduced down.

There are ceratin ratings in this game that should be scaled be scaled back 0-50 because it makes things more natural and less super man. The reason why you see big guys with their heads and elbows sometimes over the rim on rebound and dunks is because the vertical ratings are way overrated.

It's been that way for years now and every time we reduce these types of ratings down it makes the game look more natural. The higher ratings just force things in the game to be over EXAGERATED!

You guys are crying about the impact it has on DNA but tell me what DNA is effected greatly by AGILITY?

No one said to change the shooting tendencies, rebounding ratings or passing ratings.

I seriously hope Marcus and them take this into consideration because every year this has to be done and no one cared about it being done in years past if it helped gameplay. Now you people throw out the word DNA and act like lowering agility is going to break the game or something.

[FlyRice]

Re: Amazing find! Make EVERYONE's Agility rating a global 40

Has a dev commented in this post?

[Playmakers]

Re: Amazing find! Make EVERYONE's Agility rating a global 40

how is dribbling a problem, nothing struck me as of yet, other than then driving from a bit out, i have seen some big guy put it through his legs once but he quickly picked it up...

Your missing what Tomba is saying

Use any big man and watch how fluid it feels with them at times. They should lose the ball a lot more not be able to go between the legs or behind the back with such skill.

I like that you can't dribble as fast up court with a big guy but you can still dribble at ease with them as if they are more similiar to wing players. I'd like them dribble off their feet or lose control of the ball more often even if there is minimal pressure on them. I've seen Shaq in All Star games show off his hands so i know he can somewhat handle the rock. But a guy like Diop, "Z", Bredan Haywood, Chris Kaman or Kenrick Perkins shouldn't be so fluid or even have the ability to be creative with the rock

[carnalnirvana]

Re: Amazing find! Make EVERYONE's Agility rating a global 40

Your missing what Tomba is saying

Use any big man and watch how fluid it feels with them at times. They should lose the ball a lot more not be able to go between the legs or behind the back with such skill.

I like that you can't dribble as fast up court with a big guy but you can still dribble at ease with them as if they are more similiar to wing players. I'd like them dribble off their feet or lose control of the ball more often even if there is minimal pressure on them. I've seen Shaq in All Star games show off his hands so i know he can somewhat handle the rock. But a guy like Diop, "Z", Bredan Haywood, Chris Kaman or Kenrick Perkins shouldn't be so fluid or even have the ability to be creative with the rock

i hear u on that, i agree with tomba, but once they have dna to drive they are going to put it on the floor, dont see fix to this as yet but lets keep looking i guess, i know my bigs get picked all day but the cpu dont.

[Tomba]

Re: Amazing find! Make EVERYONE's Agility rating a global 40

i hear u on that, i agree with tomba, but once they have dna to drive they are going to put it on the floor, dont see fix to this as yet but lets keep looking i guess, i know my bigs get picked all day but the cpu dont.

I think what happens and this happens for MOST sports games. The game designers the guys who put in the code don't TALK to the ratings attribute guys AT ALL.

So what really happens is one side says 80 does this and the other side just says he SHOULD be an 80. Get my point? It's like the ratings person doesn't understand the concept of the game engine calling for a animation OR the game engine designer NOT taking into account that the RATING will be higher most of the time so not to let a 70 rating become essentially an 80 one.

Confused? I am LOL

[GSW]

Re: Amazing find! Make EVERYONE's Agility rating a global 40

Yall should be programmers.

just play the gayme

[Tomba]

Re: Amazing find! Make EVERYONE's Agility rating a global 40

Yall should be programmers.

just play the gayme

Anyone who knows me by now knows this IS me playing the game.

I liken it to leveling in warcraft lol