Czar's game feels scripted group experiment

[Da_Czar]

Whats up fellas i read through the whole other thread this morning. I had an idea that may help to clarify the issue.

Let me just say that i have posted about the exploits of a bonner seemingly having his dna switched with a superior player. That said until reading the thread I didn't think it was that huge of an issue. however that many of my os bretheren surely can't be that far off from the truth. hell you guys have convinced me its a problem but to really verify I will need to put more playtime in. (been playing the other game a lot recently)

Anyway this is my idea. Let's all pick the same 2 teams and all be the same user team and post the stats from our experience. If we can do this and get a good amount of people to try it surely we can then begin to see some sort of pattern. especially since we all admittedly have different play styles.

so default all-star with 12 min qtrs lets have the user team be denver and the cpu team be san antonio at san antonio.

Lets keep the thread clear so we can just have the results posted. note any big or impossible runs by the cpu and post the per qtr scoring and fg %.

I just picked two teams so that we can go ahead and get started. if this catches on maybe we can repick teams for a second attempt that people feel will represent a much better chance of having a super cpu comeback.

Just came up with the idea so I haven't even played this game myself. If your interested just do it and post afterwards.

Please don't litter the thread with jibber jabber. lets just post our results here and then rationally discuss our findings. I invite the live devs to play also and post their numbers as well.

this should be able to show us if coaching / play strategies actually make a difference.

[Bootzilla]

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It may help to pick a good team vs a weaker team. That way you're pretty much assured to get a good lead at some point. Your Portland vs San Antonio games played out like the majority of the games I play. Right now I've been labbing with Boston vs OKC. Several games, same result. I get up big, they go unconscious. Not just Durant but Kyle Weaver, Etan Thomas and the like.

When I play two more evenly matched teams the runs are not as pronounced.

But I'll give the Denver @ SA a go and see what happens.

[sportyguyfl31]

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I'll participate. WOnt be able to do so until this evening however.

[RoyalBoyle78]

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Whats up fellas i read through the whole other thread this morning. I had an idea that may help to clarify the issue.

Let me just say that i have posted about the exploits of a bonner seemingly having his dna switched with a superior player. That said until reading the thread I didn't think it was that huge of an issue. however that many of my os bretheren surely can't be that far off from the truth. hell you guys have convinced me its a problem but to really verify I will need to put more playtime in. (been playing the other game a lot recently)

Anyway this is my idea. Let's all pick the same 2 teams and all be the same user team and post the stats from our experience. If we can do this and get a good amount of people to try it surely we can then begin to see some sort of pattern. especially since we all admittedly have different play styles.

so default all-star with 12 min qtrs lets have the user team be denver and the cpu team be san antonio at san antonio.

Lets keep the thread clear so we can just have the results posted. note any big or impossible runs by the cpu and post the per qtr scoring and fg %.

I just picked two teams so that we can go ahead and get started. if this catches on maybe we can repick teams for a second attempt that people feel will represent a much better chance of having a super cpu comeback.

Just came up with the idea so I haven't even played this game myself. If your interested just do it and post afterwards.

Please don't litter the thread with jibber jabber. lets just post our results here and then rationally discuss our findings. I invite the live devs to play also and post their numbers as well.

this should be able to show us if coaching / play strategies actually make a difference.

my son just feel back asleep, I'm going to try this now, what statsyou want?

[Da_Czar]

Re: Czar's game feels scripted group experiment

PER QUARTER
pts
fg %
3 point %
turnovers

WHOLE GAME
field goals made/attempted
Freethrows made attemptes
Blocks
steals
turnovers

pts for starters and any major bench contributers.

also note any runs the cpu makes when your up.

@ Bootzilla we can try that next and then we will have an good team good team and then a good team poor team comparisons. Maybe its worse one way than the other

Outside the numbers it would be cool if you posted your pregame strategy and then post game thoughts on what happened like if carmelo had a terrbile night or something like that. Not necessary but may help. Also post whether the runs were legitimate or you felt cheated and why. those might help the devs find something if this something exists.

[donkey33]

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This is a reasonable idea but still, given the difference in user talent, the guy that always cops the runs will still get them and the guy who knows how to avoid/slow them down will do just that.

Not sure this will prove anything.

[pdawg17]

Re: Czar's game feels scripted group experiment

This is a reasonable idea but still, given the difference in user talent, the guy that always cops the runs will still get them and the guy who knows how to avoid/slow them down will do just that.

Not sure this will prove anything.

That may still prove something though...even though there will be differences in user talent, if even a couple of people can avoid/slow them down then that would show things are not entirely scripted (at least not scripted enough to feel like the user has no control over outcome)...

[donkey33]

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That may still prove something though...even though there will be differences in user talent, if even a couple of people can avoid/slow them down then that would show things are not entirely scripted (at least not scripted enough to feel like the user has no control over outcome)...

True.

Sorry Czar. Didn't mean to clog the thread

[The 24th Letter]

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ill def participate....and lets be HONEST guys, we are all enjoying Live and agree its a great game.....so theres no need to front for its protection...good idea Czar...though I do agree we should use a weaker team vs. a stronger one as well for variation..

[Wiffyjustus]

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Nuggets home game?

Would home or away make a difference?

[randombrother]

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True.

Nuggets home game? Would home or away make a difference?

What czar is trying to do is create a controlled experiment so everyone has to do EXACTLY what he is doing in order for the results to matter. If you decide to do 5 minutes or change home and away or whatever different your results would not apply to the experiment.

[Da_Czar]

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ill def participate....and lets be HONEST guys, we are all enjoying Live and agree its a great game.....so theres no need to front for its protection...good idea Czar...though I do agree we should use a weaker team vs. a stronger one as well for variation..

screen shots are always welcome as well as videos if you got em although I don't distrust any of the vets on here.

Nuggets home game?

Would home or away make a difference?

worst environment possible for a run would be the user team on the road so lets go nuggets AT san antonio.

another idea is post any coaching changes you did that worked or didn't work when the run occurs. i know it can be a lot but anything specific will help nail down the issue. Thanks to everyone who is participating. This should be sweet !!! especially with the quality of people down to participate.

also I suggest taking notes as you go along so you don't have to rely on your memory as to what happened. And end of qtr breakdown would be awesome so we can note when you felt the game went on its pre programmed run. How sweet would it be if everyone noticed a run at the 10:00 min mark in the 4th qtr ???

lets rock baby !!!!

[therizing02]

Re: Czar's game feels scripted group experiment

SA-95 DEN(me)-88

SA-29-19-22-25-95
DE-24-20-23-21-88

SA/DEN

FG%-47/43
3%-25/33
FTA/M-13-15/6-10
REB-43/40
AST-26/20
BLK-5/4
STL-4/0
TO-8/12
FBP-2/0
2CP-6/6

Denver

Melo-26p 6r 4a
Billups- 26p 5r 8a
Nene-11p 10r
Smith- 11p

San Antonio

Ginobili- 22p
Parker-18p 12a
Duncan- 16p 11r
Jefferson- 16p
McDyess- 9p 13r

SA Bench

Mason- 9p
Bonner- 3p 5r
Finley- 2p

This was by far the most believable game I've played on the AS level. Both teams led by as many as 6 throughout the first 46.5 minutes of the game. There was NOT ONE thing that felt scripted at all. That's a first for me on the AS level.

Yes, SA closed the game with a 12-0 run that I didn't like very much, but that's somewhat believable considering they were at home.

I was getting killed inside early. Duncan had 10 of his 16 in the first quarter. Both teams shot over 50% in the first quarter and under 35% in the second.

I started the second in a 2-3 zone and was able solve the paint problem. They adjusted and I went back to M-t-M at the 5 minute mark and closed the half out with a little run.

The second half was tight the whole way. I actually led by 5 with 2 minutes left and was bracing myself for the "run". It happened but like I said it was somewhat believable. Mason was key hitting a 3 point shot and then he took advantage of a mistake on D on my part.

It was a tight intense game with the superstars of both teams carrying the load. When I needed a hoop it was ISO with Melo (35% on his DNA) who just abused Jefferson all night, JR on the off ball screen, or Chauncy with a three off of a high screen.

Defensively I had TIGHT assignments on Ginobili, Duncan, and Mason. I played Parker loose because he LOVES to drive per his DNA.

[RoyalBoyle78]

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Czar, I have some pics coming to you, I finished my game before, I;m at work right now and I'm going to upload these pics to the thread in about 10 minuets. The only problem I for got to take pics of each quarter by point for SA. I took them for (me) Nuggets. Do you still want those?


By the way I got my *** handed to me, and I didn't feel the game was scripted at all, I didn't p,lay a very well team game, I didn't setup my plays enough. I dropped 47 with Melo.

By the way, I was playing in SA, hope thats alright.

[fluent2332]

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just wanted to chime in about the experiment, i like the idea, but i have mixed feelings on it, for this reason

doesn't DNA almost have to be mastered by someone to get the most out of that team/player ? i mean, the DNA takes into account which direction you decide to drive, and if you pull up or go to the rim, it counts those percentages either FOR or against you. not to mention the catch and shoot percentages, etc etc. so you're going to get a lot of decent ballers using the nuggets who may not be completely familiar with them (in terms of dynamic DNA %s), which in turn is going to skew the results. just sayin, because those percentages play a big role in how you do offensively.

my suspicion that what seems like a good shot to some, is actually a low % DNA shot, which in turn could spark a run on the other team if you string together some of those, plus a lot of other variables that are impossible to count for. i really think this is how and why the DNA was implemented in the first place, it displays incredible control over the user's outcome. the dynamic dna scouting reports are not just for show, that's for sure

in any case i'm going to play that matchup and let you know what i come up with. peace all