CPU kick outs after offensive rebounds...?

**stizz** · 10-30-2009, 06:21 PM

Re: CPU kick outs after offensive rebounds...?

For the people that do see them, do you guys switch defenders to try and get the rebound or do you stay as the defender you're currently controlling?

Maybe it could be user error being out of place that makes the CPU force up another shot.

**Court_vision** · 10-30-2009, 06:23 PM

Re: CPU kick outs after offensive rebounds...?

Originally posted by Chairman7w

Whoa... Okay, man - you win.

I was just giving MY opinion, I didn't think it was a big deal. You think it is. That's cool, I get that. Your points are valid.

We (you and I) just apply different levels of import to it, that's all.

It's not like that man...so don't worry

I am just trying to spice this place up a bit and get people focussed on AI and representing all aspects of basketball.

LIVE will never be serious whilst we have 100 posts like "Why is his headband the wrong colour" and "my favourite players socks are the wrong length"...and "look at my cool vid, i blew by three defenders"...it's like that's all that matters to most LIVE players.
I know you didn't post those things...but plenty of people did.

It would be good to get a thread going where they really address the AI (which is pretty bad if we are being honest). A lot of these same issues have been there for seasons now. I just get the feeling with this series that basketball AI is not a priority.

Anyway, most people probably don't care that much to be honest...so I don't know why I am bothering to post

I'll keep to the other forums until there's a serious AI thread. Everyone who has brought up an AI thread on this game this year has been shot down pretty quickly and moved on / given up on the game.

It's a shame.

**Tha_Kid** · 10-30-2009, 06:26 PM

Re: CPU kick outs after offensive rebounds...?

Originally posted by stizz

For the people that do see them, do you guys switch defenders to try and get the rebound or do you stay as the defender you're currently controlling?

Maybe it could be user error being out of place that makes the CPU force up another shot.

I try to manually rebound as much as possible, but even if its user error, the scale is still way too far on the put back side. I see them but its not like i'm saying the game has the balance right. Kwame Brown for example. Every board outside of a tip in or tip dunk is 95% of the time being kicked out. Live of course doesn't simulate that well.

**Chairman7w** · 10-30-2009, 06:28 PM

Re: CPU kick outs after offensive rebounds...?

Not really sure what you're talking about here, since it seems every other post is a complaint about something.

Originally posted by Court_vision

This forum has turned into a love fest the past few months with no one asking the EA guys basically 'any' tough AI questions...and everything that is asked gets sugar coated.

**Court_vision** · 10-30-2009, 06:28 PM

Re: CPU kick outs after offensive rebounds...?

Originally posted by Tha_Kid

Add me to the list of people that do see them. Not every game, but when the situation calls. More often after the patch but still not unusual to see a game without a kick out. You don't see any where the guy is next to the basket so that could be done better, but you do see them.

I have to doubt those saying that they haven't seen a single one when I know you've played more than I have. Hell the first one I saw I was like "hey they do kick out" because i'd read guys say as much before i had the game.

Of course there is no question that it could/should/needsto be done better. We know that they are in the game so the logic just needs work. I don't know if DNA has a kickout/putback tendency but it seems like a no brainer.

See...that's what I was looking for. Thanks

If they are in the game...then maybe Beluba can tweak it to fix it?

And especially tweak it so that they pass out when down by 3 with a few seconds left and get an ORB...they need to kick out at that point.

I played the other day and the CPU grabbed an ORB and put it back for 2................down 3......last few seconds...game over.

I won.

But it was the final straw for me. I 'need' good late game AI. It just kills the whole experience winning off moronic CPU AI.

If it's in there.................Beluba can address it. Thanks for the input.

**Chairman7w** · 10-30-2009, 06:29 PM

Re: CPU kick outs after offensive rebounds...?

LOL!! Now that is something we DEFINITELY agree on!

Originally posted by Court_vision

LIVE will never be serious whilst we have 100 posts like "Why is his headband the wrong colour" and "my favourite players socks are the wrong length"...

**mahurachi** · 10-30-2009, 08:20 PM

Re: CPU kick outs after offensive rebounds...?

Yeah I agree with you guys. I think the Devs should fix this in the 2nd & last patch coz it's very disappointing especially when your playing a good D.

**nron** · 10-30-2009, 09:14 PM

Re: CPU kick outs after offensive rebounds...?

I'm just throwing this out there, but is it possible DNA could fix this?

**Court_vision** · 10-30-2009, 09:41 PM

Re: CPU kick outs after offensive rebounds...?

The producers seem to stay out of the AI threads...I am guessing they don't want to comment on rebounds and fastbreaks to be honest.

I've never traded a LIVE in...but unless the PS3 patch really improves things, I think LIVE 10 will be the first.

Here's hoping the PS3 patch is okay.

**The 24th Letter** · 10-30-2009, 09:58 PM

Re: CPU kick outs after offensive rebounds...?

Anyone mind capturing one in a replay since they are seeing them like that? Thatll end all hearsay...ive yet to see one personally..

**Pared** · 10-30-2009, 10:31 PM

Re: CPU kick outs after offensive rebounds...?

Originally posted by Court_vision

The producers seem to stay out of the AI threads...I am guessing they don't want to comment on rebounds and fastbreaks to be honest.

I've never traded a LIVE in...but unless the PS3 patch really improves things, I think LIVE 10 will be the first.

Here's hoping the PS3 patch is okay.

Really CV? Considering this is one of the better Lives I've played in the last few years... I don't see why you would do that.

**Court_vision** · 10-30-2009, 10:43 PM

Re: CPU kick outs after offensive rebounds...?

Originally posted by Pared

Really CV? Considering this is one of the better Lives I've played in the last few years... I don't see why you would do that.

Yep Pared...definitely about to trade this game unless the patch is a big improvement.

You've got to remember that, unlike a lot of fellas here, I played a lot of LIVE 09...

I enjoy the half court aspects of LIVE...but I am really dissapointed that there are still so many aspects missing. I could ignore them for LIVE 09 and was genuinely excited for this season's LIVE.

But two straight years of screwed up rebounding, no game pace, CPU ignoring the open court, guys walking out of bounds, cpu players shotting through the backboards...I am dissapointed those aspects have all been ignored.

After the hype, I am dissapointed they ignored a lot of fundamentals bro...there's not even any clear path fouls

Start with the basics...get the rules right...get the fundamentals right and build.

It's a fun game and I am glad guys are getting 'fun' out of it...but that's where I was with LIVE 09. Those guys are already dropping away pretty quickly and I hope EA really work on the basics for LIVE 11.

Hopefully the PS3 patch is something very good.

**Tha_Kid** · 10-30-2009, 11:16 PM

Re: CPU kick outs after offensive rebounds...?

Originally posted by Court_vision

And especially tweak it so that they pass out when down by 3 with a few seconds left and get an ORB...they need to kick out at that point.

I played the other day and the CPU grabbed an ORB and put it back for 2................down 3......last few seconds...game over.

I won.

Hey I can't try to muzzle anyone re: late game AI. Poor late game AI magnifies stuff like this.

**Bootzilla** · 10-31-2009, 05:07 AM

Re: CPU kick outs after offensive rebounds...?

Kick outs or resets do occur. Very rarely. I've seen it 3 times. And every time it's been a shock. I'm jumping trying to block the put back and on the rare occasion the cpu will reset. So, it's definitely in there. Maybe it can be tuned to happen more frequently.

I think the issue is there's really no long rebounds. Everything is at or around the basket and generally you're out of position if you tried for the rebound. Although I have seen the 1 on 3 put back attempts a lot.

**Jamesmaster** · 10-31-2009, 06:35 AM

Re: CPU kick outs after offensive rebounds...?

I've never seen it either. And I don't remember seeing a dunk after an offensive board either. Just a lay up that always goes in.
I haven't played this game for 2 weeks btw but I'll check out the PS3 patch.

CPU kick outs after offensive rebounds...?

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