Basketball is NOT Hockey

[inkpimp007]

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http://slumz.boxden.com/f16/nba-live...elite-1376730/


Creative director for NBA Elite 11 David Littman, who has made the NHL series at EA a huge success, said that, "Now, if someone makes a shot from half court, you can't get mad because it's entirely skill-based.

Men how much does this guy know about basketball ?

I loved the previous direction of Nba Live now its elite which isn't even a term in the basketball vernacular. A now this gentlemen who made Hockey a hit is the CREATIVE director ? This is the NEW direction ? does anyone else who loves BASKETBALL see any thing wrong with this ?

In an effort to sell units will they sell their basketball soul ? Elite 11 ? come on family. That is not inline with the culture of the game!! Heres to hoping I'm wrong but I think the basketball will suffer. It'll probably be a lot of fun for the first 2 weeks though.

I felt like this would happen with this title. Desperation breeds stupidity. Like i've said for years, they need to just get this title out of Canada because these just aren''t getting it year after year. Take two steps forward just to take two steps back the next year.

[BiggD]

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Seems to me thats what happened with everyone else

Why not give the guys from last year more than one year? They had a crapload of stuff to fix first

I just dont understand the business model of changing things every year and expecting the world

This right here sums up everything in a nutshell... every dammn year EA choose to subtract through addition instead of building on what they have. Live10 was the right step, it just needs a few pieces added.. such as post game,improved AI logic,Blocks/steals and improved dynasty mode. I'm sick of the change of direction every year

[Shakedowncapo]

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Like I was talking to someone about...I just don't understand the idea of creating NEW problems. We've seen it for every sports game that has decided to implement a new way to play, control, or animate, it just creates new bugs. Now stack those ontop of the ones Live '10 already had and well... You see what I'm getting at.

This Live team is not gonna buck the trend of eliminating new problems that arise with new "engines". Hell, they couldn't do it with 3yr issues in last years game!

I don't wanna sound this negative because Live 10 was a damn good restart...but when you've been down this road year after year, you become like this and expect it to be another year of "wait till next year".

How would I complete the game if I kept hitting reset after stage 2?

[Da_Czar]

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I think you're jumping the gun, Czar.

When the gun sounds at the same time each day whats wrong with a head start ?

LOL seriously though I'm just restating your sig LOLOL...

Originally Posted by ehh
I think we've all learned that whenever EA starts throwing around the word "innovative" we are all in deep ****.

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LOL@ Czar..... nice to quote his sig

[kgisyourfather]

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I think you guys are just fearing change for hte sake of it. He basically said it's not going to be entirely ratings based. IE hitting a button and it being based on if Lebron is really good or not. This sounds great to me. Yes ratings will matter but you also have to hit the shot yourself. What is wrong with that? That isn't basketball? That is basketball. This will take away a lot of cheesing and people who just spam buttons with players like Kobe and Lebron all day. It will take skill and ratings to make a shot, layup, etc.... He was just using the halfcourt shot as an example joking around. That's not to say it will be easy to make them.

I think some people have it in their heads where there is only one way to make a basketball game when if you look at what is right in front of you you'd realize the basketball games out aren't that good. That's not to say it will be perfect the first time out, but change is good. There needs to be change.

[kgisyourfather]

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As far as saying Canadians don't know basketball tell that to steve nash. White men can't jump either. Tell that to Woody Harrelson.

I think some of you are just scared you might not be that good. hehehe. No more spamming buttons and jacking up shots from all over the place. Oh boy. Actually have to play ball. I guess we will find out who the real crybabies are. You can't just simply dunk all day. Tis a shame for you guys.

God forbid you actually have to make a shot yourself, vs sitting there spamming buttons and watching a canned animation.

[randombrother]

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Don't understand the flak regarding the new name. How is "Live" anymore a part of the basketball vernacular than "Elite"? The only problem is see is going with 11, as though its not a fresh start, instead of 2011 or just plain NBA Elite. Everything else is "wait & see".

Well "Live" goes back in the African-American vernacular for some time now. Way back when in my young'in days everything was "Live" before it was "Fresh"or"Dope" or even "Bad"(well live and bad might have been around the same time). Lakeside even had a song All the way Live or something like that back in the early 80's or late 70's (I don't remember exactly , too many good times between then and now ) But it's funny because a few weeks ago I was thinking about how the name "Live" was getting a bit played out. Then I read this "Elite" thing. lol Now the thing that I don't understand is why the sudden shock of shooting on the right stick. Isn't there "another" game that has been doing that for years now?

Brother man czar I hear you but then I can't because you obviously have a little more info than the rest of us so it's hard to roll with you 100 percent seeing we don't have the inside you have. But I'm sure what you have is solid enough for you to feel that way. For myself I just have to wait and see. I was originally not going to give them a second look but the physics thing has me looking. Reason why I wasn't looking at them is because they crippled the Live 10 through ratings. Their recent ratings did more damage than any patch. It's what you don't see in Live 10 that's killing it.

As far as the hockey dude making the game I look at it like this. If he is a good GAME changer then more power to him. I mean I'm a computer guy, got a B.S. in Computer Science but I can make one helluva Shrimp Scampi. I don't have to be an Italian or a chef to make a great Shrimp Scampi.

[dexvex]

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When the gun sounds at the same time each day whats wrong with a head start ?

LOL seriously though I'm just restating your sig LOLOL...

Originally Posted by ehh
I think we've all learned that whenever EA starts throwing around the word "innovative" we are all in deep ****.

Da_Czar this is for you

My background is hockey and video games. I do not pretend to be a basketball expert. We have basketball experts on the team. An example of this is Novell Thomas. He is one of our gameplay producers and backed up Steve Nash on the Canadian National team. Everything we put in the game must go through him for the sake of authenticity and realism. Even Novell was skeptical of the new systems. That is until he was able to play it. Novell will be the first guy to tell you (which he will, over the next few months) that this is the most realistic feeling basketball game he has ever played. Pretty much everyone who has played it has agreed.

So quit worrying about the hockey guy lol

[Da_Czar]

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As far as saying Canadians don't know basketball tell that to steve nash. White men can't jump either. Tell that to Woody Harrelson.

I think some of you are just scared you might not be that good. hehehe. No more spamming buttons and jacking up shots from all over the place. Oh boy. Actually have to play ball. I guess we will find out who the real crybabies are. You can't just simply dunk all day. Tis a shame for you guys.

God forbid you actually have to make a shot yourself, vs sitting there spamming buttons and watching a canned animation.

kgisyourfather whats up man. I don't think what your saying here applies to even 90 % of the users on OS. At least here in the basketball forums anyway. Majority of guys here just want to play good basketball. Thus the heavy sim focus of most of the users here. Actually most of the responses have been more abuut legitimate fears based on the history of the franchise. Yes some playful banter and many a tongue in cheek but I don't think this particular argument your making holds much water in this instance.

Actually it boils down to sim users on both sides differing on whether this new approach will yield a result that we all will enjoy. No one is saying they can't or it will be to hard for us to play. Well I'm not at least.

[Playmakers]

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As far as saying Canadians don't know basketball tell that to steve nash. White men can't jump either. Tell that to Woody Harrelson.

I think some of you are just scared you might not be that good. hehehe. No more spamming buttons and jacking up shots from all over the place. Oh boy. Actually have to play ball. I guess we will find out who the real crybabies are. You can't just simply dunk all day. Tis a shame for you guys.

God forbid you actually have to make a shot yourself, vs sitting there spamming buttons and watching a canned animation.

From reading this post it sounds like the game won't have any assigned player shooting ratings..........

Maybe i'm reading this wrong but if the shot soley depends on the USER skill wouldn't that mean if you are shooting with Omeka Okafor from outside you control his actual ability within the game to knock down jumpers?

again maybe i'm reading this wrong but i hope that isn't the direction EA is headed where the most influence on shots is decided by the Human player and not the actual ability if the CPU player based on percentage anymore

[Jano]

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Check out the new interview playmakers itll answer that question for you.

[Playmakers]

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Check out the new interview playmakers itll answer that question for you.

ok cool

[kgisyourfather]

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kgisyourfather whats up man. I don't think what your saying here applies to even 90 % of the users on OS. At least here in the basketball forums anyway. Majority of guys here just want to play good basketball. Thus the heavy sim focus of most of the users here. Actually most of the responses have been more abuut legitimate fears based on the history of the franchise. Yes some playful banter and many a tongue in cheek but I don't think this particular argument your making holds much water in this instance.

Actually it boils down to sim users on both sides differing on whether this new approach will yield a result that we all will enjoy. No one is saying they can't or it will be to hard for us to play. Well I'm not at least.

I hear you. You were jabbing, I was just jabbing back is all. OBviously we don't know until we play it, but from what I'm reading it sounds like EA is making changes that are necessary imo. This can be looked at one of two ways. If it wasn't for Mike Wang leaving, people might be heralding the fact the NHL team is over here working on this game. NHL is a really good game. Plus what I'm reading it sounds like they are attempting to make some of the changes i was clammoring about last year. I applaud them for that. The title also speaks to that. Self proclaimed true ballers aside. I know you guys are dedicated. I read these forums. No offense really. I understand. I'm just more saying it sounds ot me like Live is trying to get with the program here for the reasons I stated in that other post.

Yes in the past, EA regarding particually Live when they talk about change it doesn't mean they are going the right direction. But look at their other sports games and read what they are trying to change. This isn't 5 years ago. It sounds like there is a sim focus here and the title speaks to that. If you look at fifa and nhl and madden recently there is a sim focus and they are trying to revamp their gameplay. Isn't that what people have wanted?

These games in a way especially physics and AI and gameplay, have kind of hit their cycle and changes need to be made. Backbreaker was just released. It sucks in a lot of ways. I wouldn't buy it and I didn't. But it's the first title released that is going to start a change in the way we play games.

[Playmakers]

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I clinked on the link that Czar posted Jano and this is what I read

Creative director for NBA Elite 11 David Littman, who has made the NHL series at EA a huge success, said that, "Now, if someone makes a shot from half court, you can't get mad because it's entirely skill-based."

Shooting works simply by pushing up on the right stick and letting go to send the ball toward the goal. Though the mechanic is rather simplistic, the accuracy of how straight you push the stick up determines the accuracy of your release. The game's realistic physics system can also be used to aim to the side to hit a bank shot, or even allowing you to toss the ball between your hands to outsmart a defender on a layup or dunk.


So, I'm still confused is it more about the USER Stick Ability now in determining if the shots are made or missed?