Basketball is NOT Hockey

[krazyboy225]

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Does this mean free throws will be different this year.. meaning we'll basically be shooting a shot from the line rather that the free throw meter.

[Shakedowncapo]

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I hope they ripped apart Live '10 defensive side of the ball. I can only imagine what Steve Nash, Ray Allen, Mo Williams and Durants shot meter look like and if you can't defend their shot with no consequence(like last year) its gonna get ugly.

[Jano]

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Does this mean free throws will be different this year.. meaning we'll basically be shooting a shot from the line rather that the free throw meter.

Thats what seems to be the case for this year. Shooting sounds like a lot of fun and hack-a-shaq/howard will be a pain to deal with Lol!!

Cuz not only do you have to line the stick up just right you also have to make sure you hold it in that spot too.

We had an NBA Elite 11 one-on-one tourney a couple of months ago with 64 people, including people not on the team who don't play basketball games. All 64 people had a great time, even the ones that lost in the first round. But, most importantly, the winner was gameplay producer Conner Dougan because he had the most hands-on time with the game and has by far the most skills so far.

Defensively we may also finally have a way to stop cheesers who try and run around circles with the best player. Because playing defense and getting steals will be skill based so the player who has a combo of stick skills and knowledge of the game will finally be able to come out on top.

[Shakedowncapo]

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Defensively we may also finally have a way to stop cheesers who try and run around circles with the best player. Because playing defense and getting steals will be skill based so the player who has a combo of stick skills and knowledge of the game will finally be able to come out on top.

But thats not what happened in Live last year...In my 30+ games against the Cavs, maybe a handful tried taking over with LeBomba. Instead I had to deal with the Mo Williams show in which he never scored below 25 points.

[krazyboy225]

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Thats what seems to be the case for this year. Shooting sounds like a lot of fun and hack-a-shaq/howard will be a pain to deal with Lol!!

Cuz not only do you have to line the stick up just right you also have to make sure you hold it in that spot too.

And i read in the article somewhere that weight actually matters now :O

FINALLY!!

"GS: NBA Elite will also feature a new physics system. What does it do for players that the old system could not?
DL: The new real-time physics system is a revolution. In NBA Live 06 through 10, we used two-player scenarios that took control away from the gamer in order for plays to happen that "looked" realistic. The problem was that it didn't "feel" realistic.
I [recently] watched a video on YouTube by a guy (I think his name is apexisfree) showing the scenario-based one-on-ones in our competition's game, where you actually lose control of your user-controlled defender in order for the offensive player to get around you. None of these things happen in NBA Elite 11, because it is using a real-time physics system. You will see in-air collisions, realistic back-down physics, upper- and lower-body separation as mentioned earlier--all the while you are in control of your player. Player attributes actually mean a lot more than in previous years. We are using the weight and strength of the players to drive the physics engine. If I am trying to back you down, but I am much smaller than you are, you won't move very far. But big players will be able to dominate in the paint. When I go up for a rebound, bigger stronger players have the advantage.


Defensively we may also finally have a way to stop cheesers who try and run around circles with the best player. Because playing defense and getting steals will be skill based so the player who has a combo of stick skills and knowledge of the game will finally be able to come out on top"

[Jano]

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But thats not what happened in Live last year...In my 30+ games against the Cavs, maybe a handful tried taking over with LeBomba. Instead I had to deal with the Mo Williams show in which he never scored below 25 points.

Lol!! wow thats even worse I hadn't played Live online much I guess I was thinking more about my time with 2K10.

Well here's to hoping that problem is addressed too. The fact that the new controls allow players to do things like swipe at the ball while moving backwards gives me hope that it may not be an issue. So when a player stops on the dime to take a shot instead of having to just sit there and watch we can actually do somehing bout it.

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Well it seems to me that ratings will still come into play here b/c the difficulty of the shot is determined by more factors then shot ratings alone.

I dont know Jano

I remember them saying they were trying to get away from ratings controlling what happens on the court. Matter of fact they even eliminated some of them between Live 09 and 10

[Da_Czar]

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that's kicker is in the implementation. It all sounds great to me. How will it feel?? Will it play nice? This always sucks when news starts coming out and the game is months away. EA is starting their hype machine.

This is the whole ball of wax right here. Implementation. Not only that but what are the unintended consequences of their implementation decisions. SInce this is new tech or applied to a new game anything could happen it could be anything from mindblowing to the lamest thing we have ever seen to anything in between.

Definitely interesting. like with all that control though will it be too good ? will you loose that act react thing between the dance of death between offense and defense or will it be a perfect balance ? Will guys be able to do unnatural moves or cuts just because the game is so responsive ?

Some people will love that cause when I move the stick he moves but that doesn't necessarily replicate the sport because there is delay in real life between decision and execution which is what makes hesitations and the like so effective.

[ehh]

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Definitely interesting. like with all that control though will it be too good ? will you loose that act react thing between the dance of death between offense and defense or will it be a perfect balance ? Will guys be able to do unnatural moves or cuts just because the game is so responsive ?

Some people will love that cause when I move the stick he moves but that doesn't necessarily replicate the sport because there is delay in real life between decision and execution which is what makes hesitations and the like so effective.

This is what the real-time physics is supposed to take care of. Plus the Q&A said weight is a big factor with the technology.

I assume FIFA and NHL provide a good enough preview of what we'll see in terms of stick-responsiveness, though I haven't played either game.

[kgisyourfather]

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The controls in fifa and nhl and how they meld with the fluidity of gameplay is the best i've seen. that is the whole appeal of those games and why they are so highly regarded. The controls and fluidity of gameplay in both games is legendary. You don't see those wtf animations that look out of place. Nor do you try to make a move that doesn't happen or get locked in an animation. Those games are spot on with their gameplay and controls.

[Da_Czar]

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The controls in fifa and nhl and how they meld with the fluidity of gameplay is the best i've seen. that is the whole appeal of those games and why they are so highly regarded. The controls and fluidity of gameplay in both games is legendary. You don't see those wtf animations that look out of place. Nor do you try to make a move that doesn't happen or get locked in an animation. Those games are spot on with their gameplay and controls.

Thanks as yet I haven't played those that helps put it in some sort of perspective.

[kgisyourfather]

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Thanks as yet I haven't played those that helps put it in some sort of perspective.

I've always been a baseball, basketball, football sports gamer. I got fed up with games that didn't hit the mark. Minus the show there is always something wrong with 2k and EA when it comes to these sports. Madden is fun. But I picked up Fifa and NHL just because i wanted a good sports game that felt real without the headaches and was fun to play. They are exactly that. They are both awesome games. The gameplay is simplistic but realistic and very responsive.

I'm not even a hockey fan but I became one bceause I just wanted a good sports game to play. NHL is a great game.

[kgisyourfather]

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I honestly think 2k and EA are fed up with the going back and forth. And are both legitamently trying to up their games to that level. The war is over. The Mike Wang Saga is over. It's not about 2k and Live anymore. I think we will see two very good basketball games.

[Jano]

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I dont know Jano

I remember them saying they were trying to get away from ratings controlling what happens on the court. Matter of fact they even eliminated some of them between Live 09 and 10

Yea I agree with you on that one I guess the thing that sticks out to me is there seems like there is a whole lot more factors going into shooting jumpers in this years game.

So the ratings should have more of an effect along with distance away from basket, defender proximity, etc.

Last year imo didnt have that many factors in jumpshooting. You could for the most part make almost every shot especially with high rated shooters just by getting the timing down.

But it all comes down implementation like Czar said if they can't get that right all of my feelings will be dashed... again lol!!

[23]

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For the most part yes. Footplanting sounded good in 07
I have no idea what the catch was in 08.. Gil's stepback
09 was DNA but it just in implementation more of a chore than a help
Live 10 DNA was all off wack and the biggest feature Dynamic Dna was broke the entire year. I dont know why people kept trying to use it and play it even well into the playoffs.

This is another year, another feature, sounds great again...but will it end up that way?

Live 10 initially felt sort of organic then quickly went down the chute.