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  • rockchisler
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    • Oct 2002
    • 8290

    #166
    Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

    You will not be able to master shots with Shaq from Three or Lebron from Half court, don't even Bother you will get blown out in the first 5 minutes of the game..
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    • KG
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      • Sep 2005
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      #167
      Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

      I hope you're right ehh but I someone from EA should elaborate on that quote:
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      </td> <td style="background-image: url(&quot;/vBulletin/images/quotes/00.gif&quot; width: 100%; height: 1px;" width="100%"> If people are concerned that because it is skill-based shooting you can make every shot, then you can relax. Shots are harder to make if you are further away from the basket, are being closely guarded, are a below-average shooter, or you have too much fade or momentum, among other factors.
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      I'd like to hear how they are harder (smaller sweet spot, less room for error on the right stick, etc...)

      Yes, FIFA has good movement but the player interaction/collision system still needs a lot of work just like Live. The only attributes that matter in FIFA are speed, strength, height.
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      • Vince
        Bow for Bau
        • Aug 2002
        • 26017

        #168
        Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

        People basing the success of a game on it's name...

        Wow.
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        • dexvex
          Rookie
          • Jul 2007
          • 208

          #169
          Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

          Originally posted by kgx2thez
          I hope you're right ehh but I someone from EA should elaborate on that quote:

          I'd like to hear how they are harder (smaller sweet spot, less room for error on the right stick, etc...)

          Yes, FIFA has good movement but the player interaction/collision system still needs a lot of work just like Live. The only attributes that matter in FIFA are speed, strength, height.
          Why do people keep bringing up fifa? This is new tech that will debut in NHL and NBA 11.

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          • KG
            Welcome Back
            • Sep 2005
            • 17583

            #170
            Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

            Originally posted by dexvex
            Why do people keep bringing up fifa? This is new tech that will debut in NHL and NBA 11.
            Because people keep referencing it as one of EA's flagship products from a quality perspective.
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            • Da_Czar
              NBA 2K Gameplay Producer, Offensive AI System - SIM NATION
              • Jul 2002
              • 5408

              #171
              Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

              Originally posted by Vince
              People basing the success of a game on it's name...

              Wow.
              That is exactly NOT what this thread has been about however if that's all you took from it then okay. I feel that is a complete over generalization of the intent of the thread. Just my opinion though.

              @ PM I'm with you it will be interesting to see whether the formula is simple a rating rebranded after all somehow someone is going to have to say you know what shaq's 3 point window should be very small. So for Guys who make rosters will that decision be final or will our roster editors be able to fiddle with that and with all the emphasis on more of stick skill determining the outcome of the shots will you only be able to use the sliders of someone who has the same success/ difficulty level shooting the ball.

              Sovartus has a real good eye so if they added to what was there and it sounds like they have then great. Initially it was sounding like out with the old here is the new... Glad to see its not that.

              Let me state this clearly for my part for the overgeneralization crew. We know much more now than we did we this thread was started. That's great. Some of those answers may even have come out of the creation of this thread... maybe not. Regardless, THAT was the point of this thread.

              I can already see the live protection movement gaining ground at the slightest hint the game may be improving. The game doesn't need you to protect it. If its great or a great improvement we will see that.

              Here is my view of the next gen live experience...

              live 06, this is going to be a brand new game were going to rebuild from scratch with a new engine so were taking out all the features but just trust us...

              live 07 no really this time its a new start but its so future and new were missing a few frames but you'll get used to it. And that was a CG trailer we released but don't worry about it your game will play fine.

              Live 08 Bring in successful baseball producer to run the show okay seriously guys this is it this guy turned the " insert previously great game here" he is going to do wonders with the live franchise.

              ....live 09 okay we have dna now its really gonna be good. You may have heard that before but were in year 2 of our 3 year turnaround... DNA fixes everything. super sim super authentic


              live 10 okay we have a new gameplay producer and its back to the glory days of live.

              elite 11 F the glory days its a new day and we really sincerely mean were going to change the game its not about competition We're bringing in a new hockey guy from " insert current successful game franchise here" ... This guy really knows what he's doing. Not a basketball guy but its all about creating a great new experience for the user.

              I agree lets wait and see however healthy skepticism in the face of what I wrote above is not to piss off people who love the series its to lobby on behalf of the sim nation not to be forgotten in all this newness. They can sell ice water to polar bears in the frozen tundra. Their marketing is just that good. Guys who have been around awhile completely understand this.


              I have seen this movie before maybe this is the real time but don't call me crazy for saying you know what... this time ... I'm going to go ahead and say show me !!!! That gentlemen is all I was saying.
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              • 23
                yellow
                • Sep 2002
                • 66469

                #172
                Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

                man Live 07 boasted of some nice footplanting technology which didnt really work out very well until Live 09 probably

                and that procedural awareness video where they had Tmac following the cursor around, it ended up horrible... the whole game ended up the worst basketball game ever next to 2k4


                Even now when you run the pick and roll your man is looking at the audience instead of at the ball... its weird.

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                • Playmakers
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Sep 2004
                  • 15419

                  #173
                  Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

                  Originally posted by Vince
                  People basing the success of a game on it's name...

                  Wow.
                  No i think they are basing it more on the games history.....EA just happen to be on the title

                  This is year 5 if I'm not mistaken for NBA Live/Elite on Next Gen

                  So will see if they finally put it all the pieces together. I don't want to hear about new people working on the game or new technology being intsalled.

                  This is year 5 that's all I see for this franchise....

                  If a guy doesn't produce on your team after 1-2 years don't you CUT HIS AZZ from the squad
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                  • bigeastbumrush
                    My Momma's Son
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 19245

                    #174
                    Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

                    Originally posted by Playmakers
                    No i think they are basing it more on the games history.....EA just happen to be on the title

                    This is year 5 if I'm not mistaken for NBA Live/Elite on Next Gen

                    So will see if they finally put it all the pieces together. I don't want to hear about new people working on the game or new technology being intsalled.

                    This is year 5 that's all I see for this franchise....

                    If a guy doesn't produce on your team after 1-2 years don't you CUT HIS AZZ from the squad
                    Year 5...but again it's "new". It's like every 2 years re-started their life cycle because they add something one year, tune it the next, then scrap it for something "new" again the following year. The more I think about it...they should've skipped releasing something this year.

                    I'm really trying to read behind the marketing song and dance that they have going. If they pull it off...great. I'm hoping they do. I think it's good for gaming and competition.

                    History, however, is not on their side.

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                    • 23
                      yellow
                      • Sep 2002
                      • 66469

                      #175
                      Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

                      Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                      I'm really trying to read behind the marketing song and dance that they have going. If they pull it off...great. I'm hoping they do. I think it's good for gaming and competition.

                      But see this is the same thing people said last year when they introduced Dynamic season in the 2nd year of DNA> We thought it would be expanded especially thinking about all of the possibilities it brought.

                      Turned out not only did Dynamic season not work well if at all, but DNA seemed worse than the first iteration and really seemed to clash with the ratings pretty bad in alot of scenarios. The Mo Williams syndrome was one of them.

                      History, however, is not on their side.
                      and this is the reason why we are all waiting to see this time. Lots of people were pumped about the improvements and videos and stuff last year, this time... seeing is believing

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                      • kgisyourfather
                        Banned
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 64

                        #176
                        Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

                        EA really needs to get their football and basketball franchises up to par. Madden is getting there but taking baby steps. Live was ok this year but i bought it I think 3 times this yeah and every time it wasn't worth it lol.

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                        • Dalsanto0026
                          Banned
                          • Aug 2007
                          • 729

                          #177
                          Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

                          Da_Czar If you're lumping in me with the "overgeneralisation crowd" or "live protection movement" then you're way off the mark.

                          I don't normally trust EA when it comes to basketball games but I actually think they are on to something with this real-time physics. If ever there was a chance they could make a positive change this is it. You're concerned about a hockey guy having some influence on a basketball title? These games are made by computer people ie programmers, graphic artists, developers so I couldn't care less if the guy has a background in lacrosse. It makes no difference to the quality of the game.

                          Having said that, this game could still turn out to be rubbish, but the new physics and control scheme gives me some optimism at least.

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                          • mharlem
                            Banned
                            • Jul 2005
                            • 137

                            #178
                            Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

                            Originally posted by Dalsanto0026
                            Da_Czar If you're lumping in me with the "overgeneralisation crowd" or "live protection movement" then you're way off the mark.

                            I don't normally trust EA when it comes to basketball games but I actually think they are on to something with this real-time physics. If ever there was a chance they could make a positive change this is it. You're concerned about a hockey guy having some influence on a basketball title? These games are made by computer people ie programmers, graphic artists, developers so I couldn't care less if the guy has a background in lacrosse. It makes no difference to the quality of the game.

                            Having said that, this game could still turn out to be rubbish, but the new physics and control scheme gives me some optimism at least.
                            100% with you on this

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                            • Da_Czar
                              NBA 2K Gameplay Producer, Offensive AI System - SIM NATION
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 5408

                              #179
                              Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

                              Originally posted by Dalsanto0026
                              Da_Czar If you're lumping in me with the "overgeneralisation crowd" or "live protection movement" then you're way off the mark.

                              I don't normally trust EA when it comes to basketball games but I actually think they are on to something with this real-time physics. If ever there was a chance they could make a positive change this is it. You're concerned about a hockey guy having some influence on a basketball title? These games are made by computer people ie programmers, graphic artists, developers so I couldn't care less if the guy has a background in lacrosse. It makes no difference to the quality of the game.

                              Having said that, this game could still turn out to be rubbish, but the new physics and control scheme gives me some optimism at least.
                              I was not dalsanto, the only thing i was responding to that you posted directly was your mentioning words like panic in relation to my post.

                              I was just trying to clarify that and Once again I don't know how clear I can be on this one particular point. I Just simply prefer ( PREFER)for the hockey man not to make basketball decisions about the game because he is admittedly not that familiar with basketball.


                              Just like the time some genius recommended that plays are not necessary in a basketball game and one company I think it was 2k took the plays out or did something crazy. THAT is all I'm saying and as I mentioned earlier they tried the transplanted producer theory before and it didn't work so well. It's not like there are no previous and recents facts to back me up on those points.

                              I have said numerous times if it's great I will play it. There can be no doubt about that in fact I will go further as long as its better than live 10 or hell live 07 hahaha I am going to play the game. My preference is that basketball guys make the basketball decisions.
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                              • Da_Czar
                                NBA 2K Gameplay Producer, Offensive AI System - SIM NATION
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 5408

                                #180
                                Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

                                Originally posted by Dalsanto0026
                                These games are made by computer people ie programmers, graphic artists, developers so I couldn't care less if the guy has a background in lacrosse. It makes no difference to the quality of the game.

                                Having said that, this game could still turn out to be rubbish, but the new physics and control scheme gives me some optimism at least.
                                One point I would disagree with here is that you can have designers who draw up what they want to have in a game and you have engineers who carry that out. If you have a person making design decisions who is not familiar with a particular sport I say it can in fact have a difference in the quality of the game.

                                The others whom you speak of who are necessary to turn those designs into the o's and 1's to make a game may or may not have an effect on the outcome depending on how well they do their jobs but to say that someone is the creative director of your basketball game and then to say that person makes no difference in the quality of the game ? I'm not so sure that is always correct.

                                Today though that's neither here nor there as he has already said Novel is in charge of the basketball decisions. GREAT ! that is all I wanted to be sure of. ITs when David might be like Novel from my stand point the pick and roll is not that important and he is in charge is when I have a problem( this is complete fiction I made it up to illustrate a point this conversation has never happened )
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