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Re: What exactly is real-time physics?
what makes you think they're half-assing it? because of that little clip?
i don't think we're ever going to see perfect physics in any game, there's always going to be "something" to complain about, whether it's their fingers not moving properly or measuring the angle players jump or whatever.
I say let's just be happy that video sports games are shifting to real time physics in the first place. Will it be perfect? probably not. Will it ever be perfect? I don't know, probably not for a while. Is it better then canned animations? HELL YEA.
I think we just need to have a realistic approach to our expectations in video games. Why not be happy we are moving into the next big thing instead of over analyzing a WIP 5 months early of a 2 second clip?Comment
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Re: What exactly is real-time physics?
this is the truth. stop beastinng about a wip. look at the nhl series, they have to have their game out in september so they are far ahead of the elite series and look how all contact counts in that game. so now think about how good elite will be. have you any idea that the guy who created the engine is working on elite. he knows what hes doing. they have been very public about how they are sparing no expense to revive this franchise to put it in the league or FIFA AND NHL. chill out SHEESHComment
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Re: What exactly is real-time physics?
Hey guys, I'm one of the programmers working on the physics for NBA Elite and would be more than happy to discuss things in more detail with you, especially how the physics will impact the gameplay.
Sorry I'm late to the thread
The "real time physics" impacts many, many areas of the game so it would take some time to go through everything.
I'll start with what I think is the most important part, defense.
As you're probably already heard, we've eliminated all two player canned animations from the game. Some examples include the dribble bump and jostling two player anims from last years game.
As soon as you remove those anims from the game, there is all of a sudden a huge hole in the game when playing defense. You can just drive straight to the hoop without anyone stopping you.
The real time physics is meant to fill that hole. When playing defense in Elite, the goal is to keep your body between your opponent and the basket. The physics is what makes that strategy effective.
As has been mentioned in this thread already, that also means taking into account the players speed, direction, point of impact and mass to ensure that the outcome feels physically correct given the players involved and the situation on the court.
One of the big changes is how we deal with collisions. Instead of there being an invisible cylindrical force field around the players that caused them to slide around each other, we're now using much smaller spheres and capsules that are attached to the actual skeleton of the player, specifically on the hips, shoulders and chest when dealing with on ball defense.
Hips for the backdown situation primarily, shoulders and chest for the head on jostling and bumps.
And instead of players sliding around each other, the defender will actually stop the dribbler and the two will engage.
What happens after that depends on what each user is doing with their stick. If the offensive player is pressing towards the hoop, but the defender is pressing his stick towards the dribbler, he'll push him off the lane. But it's all very dynamic and based on the players physical attributes.
However, at any time either player could pull away and disengage from the interaction (a huge contrast from last year where you'd be stuck in an animation that had to play out, and played out the same every time.
The other cool thing is that moves like the spin dribble have a physical component to them as well. So if you perform the move correctly, you'll actually use your body to seal the defender, giving you a lane to the basket.
Of course the defender could anticipate this and back off a little, giving him the ability to slide over and block the spin.
That's a taste of what "real time physics" means the Elite.
I could write a book on this stuff so I'll stop here since I should be getting back to work, but I'm happy to answer any questions about this, or how physics affects other parts of the game.Comment
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Re: What exactly is real-time physics?
how exciting will it be to dunk on someone with the physics system?
also is i crossover with a player is using the sidestep move it was said he would lose balance. would the physics system allow you to make defenders fall?Comment
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Re: What exactly is real-time physics?
Thanks for the info man I've been waiting for a bball game to get rid of those 2 man animations. And the fact that both companies are pushing to achieve that is music to my ears, getting rid of those will leave us with a true dynamic bball game.
Basketball out of all sports is extremely dynamic and unpredicable so the fact that you guys are trying to incorporate that aspect of the game into the gameplay is great.Comment
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Re: What exactly is real-time physics?
Dunking on someone feels amazing, mostly because so many different things can happen, since both players animations are dynamic and respond to physics. I've heard people screaming from their cubes when it happens.
And yes, if you are caught off balance and try to cut in the opposite direction you can get your ankles broken and fall to the ground.Comment
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Re: What exactly is real-time physics?
Quick question. Will the physics make defending actually seem fun, and will it actually make born defenders good? Like will Ron artest really be ron artest because in Live 10 everyone felt the same defensive wise and the size didnt change anything....Comment
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Re: What exactly is real-time physics?
Again thanks for your time, so will the phsyics apply to the environment as a whole or just player to player. Will the ball react accordingly to the rim, floor, backboard or players hand.
In backbreaker the ball did not act like it had phsyics applied to it, at times it still had the warp affect. And alot of other odd things such as at times players looked like ragdoll's with no weight and clipping issues. I thought the physics would take care of the problems....I'm I ezpecting to much.
And will this take care of the invisible wall around the court or is the ball still restricted from the first row.Comment
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Re: What exactly is real-time physics?
This one is kind of obvious but I had to know anyway.. Will ratings come into play when it comes to the physics in situations like the one used above.
Will guys like Ron Artest or Battier be more apt to stay on their feet then some slow footed center? And if so will the physics system allow me to feel the difference between extremely physical guys like Artest vs crafty ones like Battier?
For example if I wanted to defend a guy like Durant with Artest would I be able to be able to bump him off his spots more effectively then I would with someone that is a bit smaller like Battier?Comment
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Re: What exactly is real-time physics?
That's what I'm trying to accomplish, yes.
If you ask the community guys who came up here they'll probably tell you it's not quite there yet, but it has promise.
I'm working really hard to make playing defense as fun as possible because I think that that more than anything else has been lacking in every basketball game. At least in sim games, because arcade games can always cheat by adding goal tending and pushing guy to the ground.
We can't do that, which makes it a really interesting challenge.
I really think we can get there and make defending just as much fun as playing offense.
You'll find out for sure when you play the demo.
I'm having fun building it and I think we'll pull it off.Comment
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Re: What exactly is real-time physics?
Unfortunately the invisible wall is still there. I think we'll probably leave it for now, although I personally hate it. It opens up a can of worms though when you get rid of it that pull in crowds, getting the ball back into play, all that stuff. It could be done, but it's not worth donig at the expense of anything else we're working on right now since it doesn't really affect gameplay.
And yes, the ball will interact with all those things and should never warp again. We've made the ball much more dynamic and responsive to physics.
Tips, deflections, steals, the ball can do anything it can do in real life and leads to some really cool, emergent gameplay moments.Comment
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