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  • MK47
    Rookie
    • Sep 2004
    • 348

    #76
    Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

    I think a lot of people underestimate the actual skill required to make games, it's not something everyone can do and just like it's in every profession, there's people in the industry who are better at it than others. There's decent programmers, there's good programmers and there's the best and the same is true for all other positions in game development. And I can guarantee you that no developing studio only has the very best people and I suppose that's natural, no team has only superstars either. So one has to understand that sometimes it's not so much a question of being willing to fix things but being able to fix things.

    What would you do if you realize in April that a flaw in a game is at the very bottom of the code and that to fix you'd have to scrap the entire code and start over and you'd have maybe 3 months time to do that. Of course, there's no guarantee either that there wont be flaws with the new code you created, so what do you do? If you go the complete redeveloping route you may just sit there 4 weeks before the release date without a game really. With a release date looming large you are far more likely to just fix the things that are easy to fix and provisionally put a patch over the more fundamental flaws in the game.

    The testing of the game really doesnt matter in this decision process either, testers give recommendations and its up to other people to decide whether its possible and desirable to follow them. And of course there's pressure from the publisher to push the game out as early as possible especially in a competition scenario like you have in sports games these days where for the large majority of gamers its a "EA or ESPN" decision and whichever is out first *may* have a jump on the competition.

    For these guys at those studios it's like for guys in every other jobs. You got a boss down your neck who may or may not know what hes talkin about, you got other departments with their own wishes, you got deadlines that you know you cant keep yet still have to pretend you could because otherwise that promotion you hoped for may never happen etc. And we all know that often things get screwed up on a regular basis, be it at General Motors, in a Walmart, a Wall Street brokerage, or a game development studio.

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    • MK47
      Rookie
      • Sep 2004
      • 348

      #77
      Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

      I think a lot of people underestimate the actual skill required to make games, it's not something everyone can do and just like it's in every profession, there's people in the industry who are better at it than others. There's decent programmers, there's good programmers and there's the best and the same is true for all other positions in game development. And I can guarantee you that no developing studio only has the very best people and I suppose that's natural, no team has only superstars either. So one has to understand that sometimes it's not so much a question of being willing to fix things but being able to fix things.

      What would you do if you realize in April that a flaw in a game is at the very bottom of the code and that to fix you'd have to scrap the entire code and start over and you'd have maybe 3 months time to do that. Of course, there's no guarantee either that there wont be flaws with the new code you created, so what do you do? If you go the complete redeveloping route you may just sit there 4 weeks before the release date without a game really. With a release date looming large you are far more likely to just fix the things that are easy to fix and provisionally put a patch over the more fundamental flaws in the game.

      The testing of the game really doesnt matter in this decision process either, testers give recommendations and its up to other people to decide whether its possible and desirable to follow them. And of course there's pressure from the publisher to push the game out as early as possible especially in a competition scenario like you have in sports games these days where for the large majority of gamers its a "EA or ESPN" decision and whichever is out first *may* have a jump on the competition.

      For these guys at those studios it's like for guys in every other jobs. You got a boss down your neck who may or may not know what hes talkin about, you got other departments with their own wishes, you got deadlines that you know you cant keep yet still have to pretend you could because otherwise that promotion you hoped for may never happen etc. And we all know that often things get screwed up on a regular basis, be it at General Motors, in a Walmart, a Wall Street brokerage, or a game development studio.

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      • timid
        Banned
        • Mar 2003
        • 1615

        #78
        Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

        I agree with Pared.......

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        • timid
          Banned
          • Mar 2003
          • 1615

          #79
          Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

          I agree with Pared.......

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          • HMcCoy
            All Star
            • Jan 2003
            • 8212

            #80
            Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

            Anyone who takes the time to open up and read a thread called: "3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids" , and then complains about the fact that someone sees issues should be F'ing BANNED. Seriously.

            If you don't want to hear negativity...WHY IN THE *** WOULD YOU EVEN COME INTO THE FREAKING THREAD? There were no fast breaks in the video. Period. WTF, are we supposed to pretend there is? Jeez.
            Hank's Custom Collectibles 3D printer/painter extraordinaire

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            • HMcCoy
              All Star
              • Jan 2003
              • 8212

              #81
              Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

              Anyone who takes the time to open up and read a thread called: "3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids" , and then complains about the fact that someone sees issues should be F'ing BANNED. Seriously.

              If you don't want to hear negativity...WHY IN THE *** WOULD YOU EVEN COME INTO THE FREAKING THREAD? There were no fast breaks in the video. Period. WTF, are we supposed to pretend there is? Jeez.
              Hank's Custom Collectibles 3D printer/painter extraordinaire

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              • Rickster101
                MVP
                • Sep 2003
                • 4203

                #82
                Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

                Originally posted by HMcCoy
                Anyone who takes the time to open up and read a thread called: "3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids" , and then complains about the fact that someone sees issues should be F'ing BANNED. Seriously.

                If you don't want to hear negativity...WHY IN THE *** WOULD YOU EVEN COME INTO THE FREAKING THREAD? There were no fast breaks in the video. Period. WTF, are we supposed to pretend there is? Jeez.
                Whoa I'd better read it again before I say something that might get blown...I'll be back later.

                Holla Back ya'll
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                • Rickster101
                  MVP
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 4203

                  #83
                  Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

                  Originally posted by HMcCoy
                  Anyone who takes the time to open up and read a thread called: "3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids" , and then complains about the fact that someone sees issues should be F'ing BANNED. Seriously.

                  If you don't want to hear negativity...WHY IN THE *** WOULD YOU EVEN COME INTO THE FREAKING THREAD? There were no fast breaks in the video. Period. WTF, are we supposed to pretend there is? Jeez.
                  Whoa I'd better read it again before I say something that might get blown...I'll be back later.

                  Holla Back ya'll
                  Rickster101
                  The One and Only
                  "Class is now in session"
                  ____________________
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                  • Pared
                    Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 39337

                    #84
                    Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

                    Originally posted by HMcCoy
                    Anyone who takes the time to open up and read a thread called: "3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids" , and then complains about the fact that someone sees issues should be F'ing BANNED. Seriously.

                    If you don't want to hear negativity...WHY IN THE *** WOULD YOU EVEN COME INTO THE FREAKING THREAD? There were no fast breaks in the video. Period. WTF, are we supposed to pretend there is? Jeez.
                    Then go ahead and ban everyone who is sick and tired of these threads. You'd lose a lot of OS posters who want to discuss their games without having to worry about the constant gripes.

                    Just because you can post about problems doesn't mean you should be allowed to do so over and over and over and over and over.

                    In fact, ban those making comments how others should be banned about complaints of complaints. (*Note: that last sentence has about as much logic as your entire post*)

                    Spare us all.
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                    • Pared
                      Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 39337

                      #85
                      Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

                      Originally posted by HMcCoy
                      Anyone who takes the time to open up and read a thread called: "3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids" , and then complains about the fact that someone sees issues should be F'ing BANNED. Seriously.

                      If you don't want to hear negativity...WHY IN THE *** WOULD YOU EVEN COME INTO THE FREAKING THREAD? There were no fast breaks in the video. Period. WTF, are we supposed to pretend there is? Jeez.
                      Then go ahead and ban everyone who is sick and tired of these threads. You'd lose a lot of OS posters who want to discuss their games without having to worry about the constant gripes.

                      Just because you can post about problems doesn't mean you should be allowed to do so over and over and over and over and over.

                      In fact, ban those making comments how others should be banned about complaints of complaints. (*Note: that last sentence has about as much logic as your entire post*)

                      Spare us all.
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                      • lemon
                        Rookie
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 38

                        #86
                        Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

                        Originally posted by HMcCoy
                        There were no fast breaks in the video. Period. WTF, are we supposed to pretend there is? Jeez.
                        Three words: Eddie Jones dunk.

                        Please shut up now.

                        There was also a few people complaining about there being no mid-range game which is flat-out wrong... should we ignore them as well?

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                        • lemon
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                          • Oct 2003
                          • 38

                          #87
                          Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

                          Originally posted by HMcCoy
                          There were no fast breaks in the video. Period. WTF, are we supposed to pretend there is? Jeez.
                          Three words: Eddie Jones dunk.

                          Please shut up now.

                          There was also a few people complaining about there being no mid-range game which is flat-out wrong... should we ignore them as well?

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                          • Pared
                            Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 39337

                            #88
                            Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

                            Originally posted by lemon
                            Three words: Eddie Jones dunk.

                            Please shut up now.

                            There was also a few people complaining about there being no mid-range game which is flat-out wrong... should we ignore them as well?
                            No, according to his logic we should BAN THEM.

                            And actually there was also one by Sprewell, as well as one by Arroyo.

                            But I guess I'm just seeing things.
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                              • Feb 2003
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                              #89
                              Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

                              Originally posted by lemon
                              Three words: Eddie Jones dunk.

                              Please shut up now.

                              There was also a few people complaining about there being no mid-range game which is flat-out wrong... should we ignore them as well?
                              No, according to his logic we should BAN THEM.

                              And actually there was also one by Sprewell, as well as one by Arroyo.

                              But I guess I'm just seeing things.
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                              • HMcCoy
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                                • Jan 2003
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                                #90
                                Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

                                Originally posted by Pared
                                Then go ahead and ban everyone who is sick and tired of these threads.
                                Sick and tired of reading these...yet you open them. The fact that its a complaint clearly marked, yet your SOOOOOOO sick of them.....you just HAVE to read another one. Stupid is as stupid does. As a matter of fact, we had this same argument a month ago...except that time YOU were the one bitching. There was a 2K5 screenshot thread, and you brought up the fact that last years game sucked..blah, blah, blah. Needless negativity. But wait, you weren't....<sob> Ohh God, so, so, sick and tired of complaining then were you?
                                Last edited by HMcCoy; 09-27-2004, 10:44 PM.
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