Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

**y2dan** · 03-10-2005, 08:16 AM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

It looks pretty good. What system are you planning on releasing a roster update for?

Edit: Some ratings are a little too high though. Like Mobley's 95 3-point rating and some are a little too low, like Ray Allen's 83. They should be the other way around if anything. I like how you gave some of the big guys, like Brad Miller some shooting range though, especially since his game basically revolves around shooting the mid-range j.

I'll take a further look at this later today or tomorrow and throw out some other thoughts...

**y2dan** · 03-10-2005, 08:16 AM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

It looks pretty good. What system are you planning on releasing a roster update for?

Edit: Some ratings are a little too high though. Like Mobley's 95 3-point rating and some are a little too low, like Ray Allen's 83. They should be the other way around if anything. I like how you gave some of the big guys, like Brad Miller some shooting range though, especially since his game basically revolves around shooting the mid-range j.

I'll take a further look at this later today or tomorrow and throw out some other thoughts...

**SonicMage** · 03-10-2005, 02:05 PM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

Originally posted by y2dan

It looks pretty good. What system are you planning on releasing a roster update for?

Edit: Some ratings are a little too high though. Like Mobley's 95 3-point rating and some are a little too low, like Ray Allen's 83. They should be the other way around if anything. I like how you gave some of the big guys, like Brad Miller some shooting range though, especially since his game basically revolves around shooting the mid-range j.

I'll take a further look at this later today or tomorrow and throw out some other thoughts...

Thanks for replying.

I have the PC version of the game so the updates will be released for that platform and then I'm sure some people will convert it to PS2 and Xbox since the PC update is just a readable database anyways. The only thing the console people won't get the benefit of are my historical teams and changed allstar teams and perhaps my sim engine tweaks if I decide to do them later on.

Yea, the 3-point rating I took off a statistic literally called the "3-point rating" which factors in 3-point % and 3-pointers made per minute.

Since, at the time I took statistics from, Mobley was shooting 46.4% from outside and Ray Allen was shooting 36.7%, the ratings seem justified, dont they?

Oh, and since you didn't notice, and this note is for everybody to see...everybody's jump rating has been changed and then divided by two. This is to lower CPU blocks in the game. See, I didn't want to change the block rating because blocks calculated when you simulate a season are taken almost completely from that rating. Now guys who dont normally get blocks...will not normally get blocks. I am seeing way too many blocks from guys who are good at blocking though, so I may decide to divide it a little further.

**SonicMage** · 03-10-2005, 02:05 PM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

Originally posted by y2dan

It looks pretty good. What system are you planning on releasing a roster update for?

Edit: Some ratings are a little too high though. Like Mobley's 95 3-point rating and some are a little too low, like Ray Allen's 83. They should be the other way around if anything. I like how you gave some of the big guys, like Brad Miller some shooting range though, especially since his game basically revolves around shooting the mid-range j.

I'll take a further look at this later today or tomorrow and throw out some other thoughts...

Thanks for replying.

I have the PC version of the game so the updates will be released for that platform and then I'm sure some people will convert it to PS2 and Xbox since the PC update is just a readable database anyways. The only thing the console people won't get the benefit of are my historical teams and changed allstar teams and perhaps my sim engine tweaks if I decide to do them later on.

Yea, the 3-point rating I took off a statistic literally called the "3-point rating" which factors in 3-point % and 3-pointers made per minute.

Since, at the time I took statistics from, Mobley was shooting 46.4% from outside and Ray Allen was shooting 36.7%, the ratings seem justified, dont they?

Oh, and since you didn't notice, and this note is for everybody to see...everybody's jump rating has been changed and then divided by two. This is to lower CPU blocks in the game. See, I didn't want to change the block rating because blocks calculated when you simulate a season are taken almost completely from that rating. Now guys who dont normally get blocks...will not normally get blocks. I am seeing way too many blocks from guys who are good at blocking though, so I may decide to divide it a little further.

**SonicMage** · 03-10-2005, 02:22 PM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

I'll post a couple (meaning three) more teams and I am taking requests.

Oh, and about roster positions, since posting them will take up extra space, what I do is I look at what the current starting lineup is on either the RealGM depth charts or from the box score of the last game that that team played, and then for the bench, I order it by the fatigue rating. Any player who is out for the season (Richard Jefferson, Bobby Jackson, etc.), I put on the injured list. Works out well.

**SonicMage** · 03-10-2005, 02:22 PM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

I'll post a couple (meaning three) more teams and I am taking requests.

Oh, and about roster positions, since posting them will take up extra space, what I do is I look at what the current starting lineup is on either the RealGM depth charts or from the box score of the last game that that team played, and then for the bench, I order it by the fatigue rating. Any player who is out for the season (Richard Jefferson, Bobby Jackson, etc.), I put on the injured list. Works out well.

**OrangeBlood** · 03-10-2005, 03:17 PM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

Originally posted by Sonicmage

I'll post a couple (meaning three) more teams and I am taking requests.

Oh, and about roster positions, since posting them will take up extra space, what I do is I look at what the current starting lineup is on either the RealGM depth charts or from the box score of the last game that that team played, and then for the bench, I order it by the fatigue rating. Any player who is out for the season (Richard Jefferson, Bobby Jackson, etc.), I put on the injured list. Works out well.

One thing I can add to that is if you goto www.82games.com you can get the primary and secondary positions for each player based on minutes played at each position.

Usually for the depth chart I goto the teams website and after the known starters I rank then by MPG then seed them correctly 6-12 in Live. But RealGM is a great place to get starting lineups.

**OrangeBlood** · 03-10-2005, 03:17 PM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

Originally posted by Sonicmage

I'll post a couple (meaning three) more teams and I am taking requests.

Oh, and about roster positions, since posting them will take up extra space, what I do is I look at what the current starting lineup is on either the RealGM depth charts or from the box score of the last game that that team played, and then for the bench, I order it by the fatigue rating. Any player who is out for the season (Richard Jefferson, Bobby Jackson, etc.), I put on the injured list. Works out well.

One thing I can add to that is if you goto www.82games.com you can get the primary and secondary positions for each player based on minutes played at each position.

Usually for the depth chart I goto the teams website and after the known starters I rank then by MPG then seed them correctly 6-12 in Live. But RealGM is a great place to get starting lineups.

**SonicMage** · 03-10-2005, 03:31 PM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

Originally posted by OrangeBlood

One thing I can add to that is if you goto www.82games.com you can get the primary and secondary positions for each player based on minutes played at each position.

Usually for the depth chart I goto the teams website and after the known starters I rank then by MPG then seed them correctly 6-12 in Live. But RealGM is a great place to get starting lineups.

Thats a pretty good idea about 82games.com, I forgot they had that. The thing I wonder is, where do you personally draw the line at whether a player should have a secondary position or not? Sometimes a player will play a few minutes at another position but it doesnt mean they belong at that position.

About what you said about ranking bench players by minutes per game, with my rosters, ranking by fatigue rating is exact same thing.

And easier, too, since you can do it directly in the Reorder Rosters window.

**SonicMage** · 03-10-2005, 03:31 PM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

Originally posted by OrangeBlood

One thing I can add to that is if you goto www.82games.com you can get the primary and secondary positions for each player based on minutes played at each position.

Usually for the depth chart I goto the teams website and after the known starters I rank then by MPG then seed them correctly 6-12 in Live. But RealGM is a great place to get starting lineups.

Thats a pretty good idea about 82games.com, I forgot they had that. The thing I wonder is, where do you personally draw the line at whether a player should have a secondary position or not? Sometimes a player will play a few minutes at another position but it doesnt mean they belong at that position.

About what you said about ranking bench players by minutes per game, with my rosters, ranking by fatigue rating is exact same thing.

And easier, too, since you can do it directly in the Reorder Rosters window.

**OrangeBlood** · 03-10-2005, 04:24 PM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

Originally posted by Sonicmage

Thats a pretty good idea about 82games.com, I forgot they had that. The thing I wonder is, where do you personally draw the line at whether a player should have a secondary position or not? Sometimes a player will play a few minutes at another position but it doesnt mean they belong at that position.

About what you said about ranking bench players by minutes per game, with my rosters, ranking by fatigue rating is exact same thing.

And easier, too, since you can do it directly in the Reorder Rosters window.

Since on 82games.com it has a percentage of time played at that position, usually the primary position will be clear cut.

Lets take for example Alan Henderson of the Mavericks:

He has played 51 games and 23% of him minutes at PF, 15 games and 4% of his time at SF, and 18 games and 3% of his time at C.

Well obviously PF would be his primary position.

Since SF and C are within a few percentage points of each other I'll usually pick the position he has played most of his games at, which would be center.

Takes maybe 3 minutes to do each team.

**OrangeBlood** · 03-10-2005, 04:24 PM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

Originally posted by Sonicmage

Thats a pretty good idea about 82games.com, I forgot they had that. The thing I wonder is, where do you personally draw the line at whether a player should have a secondary position or not? Sometimes a player will play a few minutes at another position but it doesnt mean they belong at that position.

About what you said about ranking bench players by minutes per game, with my rosters, ranking by fatigue rating is exact same thing.

And easier, too, since you can do it directly in the Reorder Rosters window.

Since on 82games.com it has a percentage of time played at that position, usually the primary position will be clear cut.

Lets take for example Alan Henderson of the Mavericks:

He has played 51 games and 23% of him minutes at PF, 15 games and 4% of his time at SF, and 18 games and 3% of his time at C.

Well obviously PF would be his primary position.

Since SF and C are within a few percentage points of each other I'll usually pick the position he has played most of his games at, which would be center.

Takes maybe 3 minutes to do each team.

**SonicMage** · 03-10-2005, 04:57 PM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

Originally posted by OrangeBlood

Since on 82games.com it has a percentage of time played at that position, usually the primary position will be clear cut.

Lets take for example Alan Henderson of the Mavericks:

He has played 51 games and 23% of him minutes at PF, 15 games and 4% of his time at SF, and 18 games and 3% of his time at C.

Well obviously PF would be his primary position.

Since SF and C are within a few percentage points of each other I'll usually pick the position he has played most of his games at, which would be center.

Takes maybe 3 minutes to do each team.

That wasnt my question. My question was how you choose whether to have a secondary position or not.

Like in Alan Henderson's case, PF is the primary. But then for his secondary, how do you know not to also make his secondary position at PF? Some guys shouldnt have a secondary position. There has to be some sort of cutoff point.

A good example of when not to use a secondary position is Steve Francis. With the (stupid) way that NBA Live handles reordering rosters, an automatic reordering always starts Francis at SG for the Magic if his secondary is SG, when hes never normally started at that position during his NBA career. This always happens to PG's with a secondary of SG and PF's with a secondary of C's. Okafor is another example. Live always puts Brezec deep in the bench during reordering and starts Okafor at C.

**SonicMage** · 03-10-2005, 04:57 PM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

Originally posted by OrangeBlood

Since on 82games.com it has a percentage of time played at that position, usually the primary position will be clear cut.

Lets take for example Alan Henderson of the Mavericks:

He has played 51 games and 23% of him minutes at PF, 15 games and 4% of his time at SF, and 18 games and 3% of his time at C.

Well obviously PF would be his primary position.

Since SF and C are within a few percentage points of each other I'll usually pick the position he has played most of his games at, which would be center.

Takes maybe 3 minutes to do each team.

That wasnt my question. My question was how you choose whether to have a secondary position or not.

Like in Alan Henderson's case, PF is the primary. But then for his secondary, how do you know not to also make his secondary position at PF? Some guys shouldnt have a secondary position. There has to be some sort of cutoff point.

A good example of when not to use a secondary position is Steve Francis. With the (stupid) way that NBA Live handles reordering rosters, an automatic reordering always starts Francis at SG for the Magic if his secondary is SG, when hes never normally started at that position during his NBA career. This always happens to PG's with a secondary of SG and PF's with a secondary of C's. Okafor is another example. Live always puts Brezec deep in the bench during reordering and starts Okafor at C.

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