Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

**OrangeBlood** · 03-10-2005, 05:48 PM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

Originally posted by Sonicmage

That wasnt my question. My question was how you choose whether to have a secondary position or not.

Like in Alan Henderson's case, PF is the primary. But then for his secondary, how do you know not to also make his secondary position at PF? Some guys shouldnt have a secondary position. There has to be some sort of cutoff point.

A good example of when not to use a secondary position is Steve Francis. With the (stupid) way that NBA Live handles reordering rosters, an automatic reordering always starts Francis at SG for the Magic if his secondary is SG, when hes never normally started at that position during his NBA career. This always happens to PG's with a secondary of SG and PF's with a secondary of C's. Okafor is another example. Live always puts Brezec deep in the bench during reordering and starts Okafor at C.

If the primary percentage is above 60% I usually don't add a secondary position.

Since 82 games has Francis at PG 64% of the time that's where he'd stay.

As for Okafor his percentages are fairly close 39% PF and 23% C. Since he is a starter and save for Ben Wallace there are very few starting C's under 6'11'' I would only have him at PF. However if he were a backup I'd have him PF/C. The only way I put a guy thats under 6'11'' at C is if he is a starter there.

Now then there are a few tricky players like Michael Finley who starts normally at SG, but actually plays more at SF. So I put him as SG/SF. Some players you have to research more but it's still pretty straight forward.

**y2dan** · 03-10-2005, 05:53 PM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

Ok, fair enough. How do the overall ratings work out for most teams? Like how do they compare with the team's actual position in the standings?

**y2dan** · 03-10-2005, 05:53 PM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

Ok, fair enough. How do the overall ratings work out for most teams? Like how do they compare with the team's actual position in the standings?

**SonicMage** · 03-10-2005, 06:07 PM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

Originally posted by y2dan

Ok, fair enough. How do the overall ratings work out for most teams? Like how do they compare with the team's actual position in the standings?

They're kinda funny actually. See my depth charts don't care so much about injuries except for the major season ending ones so the ratings represent teams at full strength. Not to mention that NBA Live's method of determining a team's overall rating is god awful. They always have the teams with the least players having higher overall ratings. Comparing with standings is not a good measure because some of these teams have made some MAJOR changes to their overall status over the course of the season.

With that said, the top teams are: Dallas, Boston, Memphis, San Antonio

Phoenix, Sacramento, Washington are all right up there too followed by Miami, Detroit, and Denver.

Seattle and Chicago are probably the two teams that I am most disappointed by how low their overall rating is. Minnesota, too, they're bad in real life but my ratings have them as poor. Eddie Griffin is amazing though, I think his overall rating is somewhere around 70.

Atlanta, Milwaukee, and Charlotte have the lowest overall ratings.

**SonicMage** · 03-10-2005, 06:07 PM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

Originally posted by y2dan

Ok, fair enough. How do the overall ratings work out for most teams? Like how do they compare with the team's actual position in the standings?

They're kinda funny actually. See my depth charts don't care so much about injuries except for the major season ending ones so the ratings represent teams at full strength. Not to mention that NBA Live's method of determining a team's overall rating is god awful. They always have the teams with the least players having higher overall ratings. Comparing with standings is not a good measure because some of these teams have made some MAJOR changes to their overall status over the course of the season.

With that said, the top teams are: Dallas, Boston, Memphis, San Antonio

Phoenix, Sacramento, Washington are all right up there too followed by Miami, Detroit, and Denver.

Seattle and Chicago are probably the two teams that I am most disappointed by how low their overall rating is. Minnesota, too, they're bad in real life but my ratings have them as poor. Eddie Griffin is amazing though, I think his overall rating is somewhere around 70.

Atlanta, Milwaukee, and Charlotte have the lowest overall ratings.

**y2dan** · 03-10-2005, 06:31 PM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

That's pretty good actually. I'm interested to see how a lot of the player overall ratings turn out. Especially since EA places such high weight on dunking ability.

Do you have an ETA for these rosters?

**y2dan** · 03-10-2005, 06:31 PM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

That's pretty good actually. I'm interested to see how a lot of the player overall ratings turn out. Especially since EA places such high weight on dunking ability.

Do you have an ETA for these rosters?

**SonicMage** · 03-10-2005, 06:42 PM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

Originally posted by y2dan

Do you have an ETA for these rosters?

They're all ready. You could say they're in a sort of a "beta testing" stage right now, just working out the kinks. Since I dont do these modifications on a player by player basis, one change to the system could affect everybody else. My goal with these rosters was to make them the least based on opinion as possible so there would be no question that they're accurate, and showing no bias in any way.

The biggest disappointment I have right now is Amare Stoudemire not scoring enough when simming a season. He's not even on the leaderboard in PPG. Makes no sense either since most of his scoring attributes are very high.

Yea, why dont I do that, I''ll just post Phoenix for you guys to take a look at.

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**SonicMage** · 03-10-2005, 06:42 PM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

Originally posted by y2dan

Do you have an ETA for these rosters?

They're all ready. You could say they're in a sort of a "beta testing" stage right now, just working out the kinks. Since I dont do these modifications on a player by player basis, one change to the system could affect everybody else. My goal with these rosters was to make them the least based on opinion as possible so there would be no question that they're accurate, and showing no bias in any way.

The biggest disappointment I have right now is Amare Stoudemire not scoring enough when simming a season. He's not even on the leaderboard in PPG. Makes no sense either since most of his scoring attributes are very high.

Yea, why dont I do that, I''ll just post Phoenix for you guys to take a look at.

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63pt;" width="84">HardinessRtg</td> <td class="xl24" style="width: 50pt;" width="67">FatigueRtg</td> <td class="xl24" style="width: 51pt;" width="68">InsScorRtg</td> <td class="xl24" style="width: 38pt;" width="51">PrimRtg</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Barbosa</td> <td class="xl24">Leandrinho</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">80</td> <td x:num="" align="right">75</td> <td x:num="" align="right">75</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">40</td> <td x:num="" align="right">43</td> <td x:num="" align="right">16</td> <td x:num="" align="right">27</td> <td x:num="" align="right">36</td> <td x:num="" align="right">52</td> <td x:num="" align="right">64</td> <td x:num="" align="right">28</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">93</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">88</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="26.5" align="right">27</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">66</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">40</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">60</td> <td x:num="" align="right">38</td> <td x:num="" align="right">46</td> <td x:num="" align="right">56</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Hunter</td> <td class="xl24">Steven</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">77</td> <td x:num="" align="right">0</td> <td x:num="" align="right">52</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">72</td> <td x:num="" align="right">9</td> <td x:num="" align="right">99</td> <td x:num="" align="right">75</td> <td x:num="" align="right">58</td> <td x:num="" align="right">7</td> <td x:num="" align="right">67</td> <td x:num="" align="right">78</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">59</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">57</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">35</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">31</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">58</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">68</td> <td x:num="" align="right">34</td> <td x:num="" align="right">86</td> <td x:num="" align="right">21</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Jackson</td> <td class="xl24">Jimmy</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">73</td> <td x:num="" align="right">80</td> <td x:num="" align="right">91</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">25</td> <td x:num="" align="right">38</td> <td x:num="" align="right">4</td> <td x:num="" align="right">8</td> <td x:num="" align="right">59</td> <td x:num="" align="right">42</td> <td x:num="" align="right">56</td> <td x:num="" align="right">42</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">71</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">68</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">25</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">66</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">62</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">70</td> <td x:num="" align="right">78</td> <td x:num="" align="right">39</td> <td x:num="" align="right">24</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Johnson</td> <td class="xl24">Joe</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">82</td> <td x:num="" align="right">83</td> <td x:num="" align="right">76</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">62</td> <td x:num="" align="right">34</td> <td x:num="" align="right">14</td> <td x:num="" align="right">32</td> <td x:num="" align="right">50</td> <td x:num="" align="right">45</td> <td x:num="" align="right">73</td> <td x:num="" align="right">68</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">72</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">70</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">34</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">66</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">61</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">72</td> <td x:num="" align="right">84</td> <td x:num="" align="right">44</td> <td x:num="" align="right">59</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Marion</td> <td class="xl24">Shawn</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">86</td> <td x:num="" align="right">69</td> <td x:num="" align="right">83</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">85</td> <td x:num="" align="right">84</td> <td x:num="" align="right">59</td> <td x:num="" align="right">59</td> <td x:num="" align="right">86</td> <td x:num="" align="right">27</td> <td x:num="" align="right">80</td> <td x:num="" align="right">88</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">80</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">77</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="42.5" align="right">43</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">66</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">63</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">77</td> <td x:num="" align="right">84</td> <td x:num="" align="right">53</td> <td x:num="" align="right">71</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">McCarty</td> <td class="xl24">Walter</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">63</td> <td x:num="" align="right">76</td> <td x:num="" align="right">76</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">60</td> <td x:num="" align="right">45</td> <td x:num="" align="right">29</td> <td x:num="" align="right">31</td> <td x:num="" align="right">53</td> <td x:num="" align="right">21</td> <td x:num="" align="right">60</td> <td x:num="" align="right">25</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">66</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">62</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">30</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">51</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">55</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">80</td> <td x:num="" align="right">31</td> <td x:num="" align="right">39</td> <td x:num="" align="right">22</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Nash</td> <td class="xl24">Steve</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">87</td> <td x:num="" align="right">75</td> <td x:num="" align="right">90</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">0</td> <td x:num="" align="right">52</td> <td x:num="" align="right">2</td> <td x:num="" align="right">17</td> <td x:num="" align="right">38</td> <td x:num="" align="right">99</td> <td x:num="" align="right">80</td> <td x:num="" align="right">68</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">93</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">92</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="27.5" align="right">28</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">94</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">50</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">85</td> <td x:num="" align="right">76</td> <td x:num="" align="right">56</td> <td x:num="" align="right">61</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Outlaw</td> <td class="xl24">Bo</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">43</td> <td x:num="" align="right">0</td> <td x:num="" align="right">53</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">58</td> <td x:num="" align="right">79</td> <td x:num="" align="right">75</td> <td x:num="" align="right">63</td> <td x:num="" align="right">72</td> <td x:num="" align="right">28</td> <td x:num="" align="right">52</td> <td x:num="" align="right">81</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">65</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">64</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="32.5" align="right">33</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">33</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">51</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">89</td> <td x:num="" align="right">12</td> <td x:num="" align="right">50</td> <td x:num="" align="right">15</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Richardson</td> <td class="xl24">Quentin</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">81</td> <td x:num="" align="right">92</td> <td x:num="" align="right">78</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">79</td> <td x:num="" align="right">61</td> <td x:num="" align="right">14</td> <td x:num="" align="right">28</td> <td x:num="" align="right">72</td> <td x:num="" align="right">27</td> <td x:num="" align="right">73</td> <td x:num="" align="right">72</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">74</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">74</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="39.5" align="right">40</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">72</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">65</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">45</td> <td x:num="" align="right">80</td> <td x:num="" align="right">43</td> <td x:num="" align="right">65</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Shirley</td> <td class="xl24">Paul</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">61</td> <td x:num="" align="right">12</td> <td x:num="" align="right">69</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">45</td> <td x:num="" align="right">44</td> <td x:num="" align="right">35</td> <td x:num="" align="right">24</td> <td x:num="" align="right">51</td> <td x:num="" align="right">41</td> <td x:num="" align="right">55</td> <td x:num="" align="right">49</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">50</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">54</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">25</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">50</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">62</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">65</td> <td x:num="" align="right">6</td> <td x:num="" align="right">53</td> <td x:num="" align="right">35</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Stoudemire</td> <td class="xl24">Amare</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">98</td> <td x:num="" align="right">0</td> <td x:num="" align="right">72</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">92</td> <td x:num="" align="right">56</td> <td x:num="" align="right">70</td> <td x:num="" align="right">53</td> <td x:num="" align="right">79</td> <td x:num="" align="right">21</td> <td x:num="" align="right">88</td> <td x:num="" align="right">78</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">64</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">70</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">41</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">35</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">75</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">80</td> <td x:num="" align="right">79</td> <td x:num="" align="right">99</td> <td x:num="" align="right">88</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Voskuhl</td> <td class="xl24">Jake</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">42</td> <td x:num="" align="right">0</td> <td x:num="" align="right">74</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">58</td> <td x:num="" align="right">43</td> <td x:num="" align="right">30</td> <td x:num="" align="right">63</td> <td x:num="" align="right">73</td> <td x:num="" align="right">18</td> <td x:num="" align="right">56</td> <td x:num="" align="right">25</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">49</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">45</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">20</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">22</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">68</td> <td class="xl24" x:num="" align="right">45</td> <td x:num="" align="right">23</td> <td x:num="" align="right">60</td> <td x:num="" align="right">16</td> </tr></tbody> </table>

**y2dan** · 03-10-2005, 07:36 PM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

Wow, that's weird about Amare. He has a high FG, high Inside Scoring and a high Primacy. There should be no reason why he isn't dominating the league. Weird.

**y2dan** · 03-10-2005, 07:36 PM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

Wow, that's weird about Amare. He has a high FG, high Inside Scoring and a high Primacy. There should be no reason why he isn't dominating the league. Weird.

**y2dan** · 03-10-2005, 07:38 PM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

Any chance you'll post some of the formulas you used? I'm just curious of how you put together some of these ratings...

**y2dan** · 03-10-2005, 07:38 PM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

Any chance you'll post some of the formulas you used? I'm just curious of how you put together some of these ratings...

**SonicMage** · 03-10-2005, 08:09 PM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

Originally posted by y2dan

Any chance you'll post some of the formulas you used? I'm just curious of how you put together some of these ratings...

That is something I will not be doing. I spent the good part of a year and a half figuring out the dynamics of the game and the formulas that'd represent the ratings the best. I figure that to be worth something. You're just going to have to trust me, I know my statistics and what they mean.

Right now, I am trying to garner some attention with the roster updates because I do believe them to be better than anything currently out there. So if you like them when you see them, let people know.

I'll probably have a playoff edition of these updates at the end of the season and then another version after the playoffs are finished. Then comes a version at the start of the next season (assuming EA Sports has not changed their rating system in the next game) followed by one the next allstar break, etc.

Just play some games out with these teams and tell me if you think the players play with skills closer to their real-life counterparts.

**SonicMage** · 03-10-2005, 08:09 PM

Re: Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

Originally posted by y2dan

Any chance you'll post some of the formulas you used? I'm just curious of how you put together some of these ratings...

That is something I will not be doing. I spent the good part of a year and a half figuring out the dynamics of the game and the formulas that'd represent the ratings the best. I figure that to be worth something. You're just going to have to trust me, I know my statistics and what they mean.

Right now, I am trying to garner some attention with the roster updates because I do believe them to be better than anything currently out there. So if you like them when you see them, let people know.

I'll probably have a playoff edition of these updates at the end of the season and then another version after the playoffs are finished. Then comes a version at the start of the next season (assuming EA Sports has not changed their rating system in the next game) followed by one the next allstar break, etc.

Just play some games out with these teams and tell me if you think the players play with skills closer to their real-life counterparts.

Some teams for Sonicmage roster update

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