Live 10 vs 2k10: Graphics

[aga11ah]

Re: Live 10 vs 2k10: Graphics

nitpicking here somewhat, but as a b-ball videogame fan... if you checked out that Knicks/Grizzlies 2k10 gameplay Smoove posted.....

Zach Randolph looks exactly the same in 2k10 as he has since 2k8... probably 2k7 or before to be honest. lol.. I'm sure some hardcore 2k fans know exactly what I mean. I've hated his model since day 1 and its still the same. =/. same shot same everything. blah

its probably common with a bunch other players but I guess I finally noticed it. (i'm sure Live does it too, its just annoying)

[Tha_Kid]

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Are you guys saying I'm trying to make the Live screens look better? I Will from now on put the screens up untouched, I just hate how blurry they are. Any touch ups done were auto's, and done to all 3 (the 2k, live, and real). I had a feeling someone might say something that's why I put notices on the pics with touch ups.

As far as the picture I choose, I just google the player and look for the perfect picture (facing the camera with the least emotion). That is all nothing more nothing less, and I still would like for other users to post some of their own. Doesn't have to be faces, it can be about anything visually.

Thanks once again, and Peace.

Thought I was pretty clear but apparently I wasn't. I didn't say that you were biased or trying to make one look better. What would you gain from tampering with the pictures that we could all go look at? I just said that judging from the real pictures you chose, Live was going to have the better likenesses because it looks like that exact picture was mapped to the model. Again, only talking about calderon & Hedo. All that means is you did a heck of a job googling the pictures and definitely got the perfect ones for Live.

I questioned the fairness because the games don't get the exact same pictures for face models. I said in another thread that likenesses are pretty much dependent on the base pictures, so if you had 2K's reference shot in these comparisons, then the conclusion might be different. You can't group my post in with someone elses just because they quoted me.

[Tha_Kid]

Re: Live 10 vs 2k10: Graphics

nitpicking here somewhat, but as a b-ball videogame fan... if you checked out that Knicks/Grizzlies 2k10 gameplay Smoove posted.....

Zach Randolph looks exactly the same in 2k10 as he has since 2k8... probably 2k7 or before to be honest. lol.. I'm sure some hardcore 2k fans know exactly what I mean. I've hated his model since day 1 and its still the same. =/. same shot same everything. blah

its probably common with a bunch other players but I guess I finally noticed it. (i'm sure Live does it too, its just annoying)

Yep. Andrew Bynum & Kendrick Perkins come to mind in 2K. Live has it with Pierce (no game has ever had a good face for Pierce and that has continued this year). At least Live has his mocapped shot, 2K's is atrocious.

The thing is its not like the likenesses are good for these guys either. Live 09 Ginobili looks like Live 10 Ginobili, but thats fine bc the model is good. Particularly with 2K (since i have more experience there) they get really lazy and keep poor likenesses for years. It goes on with accessories to. Kwame Brown wore an arm sleeve for one stretch in 04-05 and never again, yet right up through 2K8 (maybe even 2k9) 2K had him wearing an armsleeve, and didn't do anything with his face before last year.

[kwas676]

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Yeah, some 2K10 faces are off. But technically (or technology wise), 2K10 faces are superior. Live faces - technically - look like old school basketball video games. Same old Live. Try to look at it this way: If you were looking at 2 animation movies - which one would look more real to you? And don't give me that "Live's Hedo face is like his real photo" - becase it may be at the same postion and the face looks more accurate - but by now I would expect Live to have technology that makes it look more like real life.
As for body models, I was looking at the LeBron screens that they showed us - you know with all the arm and leg muscles - it looked really good. Then I saw screens of many other players - none of them look this way. It's like that LeBron muscle screen was different from everything I've seen. I wonder why...

Man I just call it like I see it you can rambling on about superior this superior that I don't really care the face is still ugly

[gunitradio]

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My thing is to really compare they both have to be on the same plane. What I mean is 2k has emotion in there pix and live doesn't so the live ones look better because it's a neutral face. If some one could find neutral faces for both it would be a better comparison.

[Jasong7777]

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My thing is to really compare they both have to be on the same plane. What I mean is 2k has emotion in there pix and live doesn't so the live ones look better because it's a neutral face. If some one could find neutral faces for both it would be a better comparison.

Finally someone gets it.

[tanner99]

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My thing is to really compare they both have to be on the same plane. What I mean is 2k has emotion in there pix and live doesn't so the live ones look better because it's a neutral face. If some one could find neutral faces for both it would be a better comparison.

what kind of emotion does calderon have on his face??

and plus why do 2k's player faces get so messed up when theyre doing emotions? i dont understand this.

[michaeljordanjr]

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My thing is to really compare they both have to be on the same plane. What I mean is 2k has emotion in there pix and live doesn't so the live ones look better because it's a neutral face. If some one could find neutral faces for both it would be a better comparison.

So you're saying when you watch TV NBA broadcast games and they do a replay or zoom in on a guy yelling or making weird faces he looks nothing like his emotionless face?

DO YOU look different in the mirror when you make a slight expression?

I'm so tired of the 2K patrol fans who have to justify every fault in the game. You know you'll get a better product if you're OBJECTIVELY critiquing a product you love?

What's the point of not calling it like it is. You're living a lie then.

[youvalss]

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Some of this photos don't look like Kobe "should" look like. I think those shouldn't be shown to anyone.

[tanner99]

Re: Live 10 vs 2k10: Graphics

So you're saying when you watch TV NBA broadcast games and they do a replay or zoom in on a guy yelling or making weird faces he looks nothing like his emotionless face?

DO YOU look different in the mirror when you make a slight expression?

I'm so tired of the 2K patrol fans who have to justify every fault in the game. You know you'll get a better product if you're OBJECTIVELY critiquing a product you love?

What's the point of not calling it like it is. You're living a lie then.

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[michaeljordanjr]

Re: Live 10 vs 2k10: Graphics

Some of this photos don't look like Kobe "should" look like. I think those shouldn't be shown to anyone.

Even your extreme examples where he looks ridiculous in one of them doesnt apply.

Lets play a game, spot what's consistent:











It's one thing that 2K models this year at a basic level are just off:





Now, basic anatomy class or law enforcement class will tell you the most recognizable features are the cheek bones and eyes...

These DO NOT change when you have expressions.

[clivo1050]

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2k's always had solid face models. This year, some are terrible. Ray Allen and Carmelo are not even close. They might animate better, but that's all lost if they are not authentic looking. I'd say live's faces are better for once.

Live's body models are too skinny tho. The overall look is very cartoon like.

Both games look good this year, but in different art directions.

[michaeljordanjr]

Re: Live 10 vs 2k10: Graphics

2k's always had solid face models. This year, some are terrible. Ray Allen and Carmelo are not even close. They might animate better, but that's all lost if they are not authentic looking. I'd say live's faces are better for once.

Live's body models are too skinny tho. The overall look is very cartoon like.

Both games look good this year, but in different art directions.

I'm not defending one over the other in this thread but I'm defending what's real or not.

Cartoony and skinny is not a real argument, it's a go to tactic to try to spread false reputation.

Take a look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLk9GFij8F0

As bad quality as the video is you truly cannot say the players are cartoon like(which doesn't make sense, you cant have cartoon graphics with HD rendered poly models) and you can't say theyre skinny. Just because 2K has FATTER and BIGGER models does not mean they have the right way and Live does not. Live skeletons are modeled the same way 2K is.

Every player in Live 10 in motion on a big screen TV in your own home looks like the same size they do in real life and in contrast to other players. It's just a different game and it has a different look to it. It's called STYLE.

So this rhetoric about cartoons and anorexia has got to go. Talk about real problems the game has graphically, which I would say is their nets and crowds.

[BrianFifaFan]

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One thing that I'm really feeling is Live's head shapes. They have Artest's head perfect. And God knows that he has a really unique head shape. But I'd have to say that body models and IMO faces are Live's this year. As someone else said, 2k have great faces, but everyone is built like DH12 about the upper body. They're just too square and bulky period, for my tastes. Compared to the Tayshawn Prince's family reunion that Live's players have been this gen, 2k looked better. That's been rectified this year. They (Live's) have both length and proper muscle tone. And animate in a proper biomechanical fashion. 2k is just dated all around, for mine. They might not have as much loot as EA, but they need to spend the loot they do get from the titles they still have to make the best games they can. I can update my own rosters.....

[gunitradio]

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So you're saying when you watch TV NBA broadcast games and they do a replay or zoom in on a guy yelling or making weird faces he looks nothing like his emotionless face?

DO YOU look different in the mirror when you make a slight expression?

I'm so tired of the 2K patrol fans who have to justify every fault in the game. You know you'll get a better product if you're OBJECTIVELY critiquing a product you love?

What's the point of not calling it like it is. You're living a lie then.

Did I say I was a 2k fan....NO. I just simply said that the pix should all be the same to make a fair comparison. I understand what your saying but this is a video game and they haven't mastered the art of making emotion on faces in basketball games. Lord knows they should be better then that, but its not so a equal ground is needed for it to be fair.