"Testing for 3pt, passing out of post, and dunks"

[DirtyJerz32]

Re: "Testing for 3pt, passing out of post, and dunks"

Wow this seems like a lot of work. But, it may help me from trading this game in. I haven't even attempted to adjust ratings. I really don't like doing that sort of thing but, I guess raising everyone's will help balance the game out.

Good luck with this CB and co.

[deadlyCane]

Re: "Testing for 3pt, passing out of post, and dunks"

after checking some simmed stats, I saw teams that only attempted 5 three pointers a game up to teams that shot 33 three pointers a game. Army was one of the teams that fired up over 30 three pointers, so I'm playing them right now with no rating edits to see what happens.

One hiccup that I've come across thus far though is that raising the 3pt rating means that teams neglect going inside. They start shooting jumper after jumper.

CB, I don't necessarily see this as a problem. Perhaps you just need to not be as extreme when you increase the ratings. I also don't mind seeing some more jumpers because when I play the cpu they seem to only want to pound it inside and do that one catch in the post turnaround and shoot crap. IMO this might help reduce that some. In real life some teams fall in love with the jumpers, at least through stretches. Moreover, it might just be a matter of how much adjustments you make in the ratings. See the post I just made above for some more thoughts.

[NoDakHusker]

Re: "Testing for 3pt, passing out of post, and dunks"

I personally believe it needs to be looked at on a player by player basis or we'll be introducing more problems.

This. I believe that this especially applies to mid majors who, in general, dont seem to be rated that high in regards to 3pt ratings.

[yokiisthename]

Re: "Testing for 3pt, passing out of post, and dunks"

I tried to raise the Boise State's guards and SF's 3 point shooting by 10 on my dynasty and they made 8/14 3's, one of them being a buzzer beating game winner. so yeah i guess it works he he he. Yeah i'd take 14 3 point shots a game from the CPU rather than none.

I lost 100-97, dammit!

[countryboy]

Re: "Testing for 3pt, passing out of post, and dunks"

freshman's ratings come in the same as default ratings. And you can edit FR ratings.

[Vechi8]

Re: "Testing for 3pt, passing out of post, and dunks"

CB, I don't necessarily see this as a problem. Perhaps you just need to not be as extreme when you increase the ratings. I also don't mind seeing some more jumpers because when I play the cpu they seem to only want to pound it inside and do that one catch in the post turnaround and shoot crap. IMO this might help reduce that some. In real life some teams fall in love with the jumpers, at least through stretches. Moreover, it might just be a matter of how much adjustments you make in the ratings. See the post I just made above for some more thoughts.

I agree d cane. College game is more of perimeter anyway

[countryboy]

Re: "Testing for 3pt, passing out of post, and dunks"

DC, I understand what you're saying, but I'm honestly not looking to make a major project out of this, more like a band-aid fix so to speak. And right now, I'm pretty confident that 10-15 is where I'm going to adjust these, should I choose to do so.

I played a game against a player that had a 95 3pt rating and he hit 2 of 11 attempts. There are more factors than just 3pt rating that go into whether or not the guy will be successful in making the shot, and it appears that FG rating has a lot to do with it.

The only other thing now for me to test is simmed games with the ratings inflated. I want to make sure no obscure anamolies occur due to the ratings being raised. If all goes well, I'll then make the decision on whether or not to adjust these ratings.

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In reference to dunk ratings, I am raising them up by 20 across the board. Nobody dunks in this game. Ok, thats a bit of an exagerration, but there are far too many times where guys should be dunking the ball and they are just laying it up. This affects alley oops as well.

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Passes from the post, I have no idea. Raising the passing slider doesn't seem to have an effect. Raising the 3pt ability of a teams' best shooters has no effect. I don't see anything the user can do to help completely eliminate this issue. I guess maybe someone could attempt to do a combination of sliders, ratings, and defensive pressure to find a comfortable setting.

[countryboy]

Re: "Testing for 3pt, passing out of post, and dunks"

Sorry for double post, but I must say, as much as I was enjoying the game before, I really enjoyed the test games that I was running today. The game opens up, and with the cpu not consistently pounding the ball inside, the pass from the post issue is reduced, since its not happening at the same frequent pace.

Its also nice to know that now one must account for the other teams shooters.

[deadlyCane]

Re: "Testing for 3pt, passing out of post, and dunks"

DC, I understand what you're saying, but I'm honestly not looking to make a major project out of this, more like a band-aid fix so to speak. And right now, I'm pretty confident that 10-15 is where I'm going to adjust these, should I choose to do so.

Understandable. It's not an easy task.

Sorry for double post, but I must say, as much as I was enjoying the game before, I really enjoyed the test games that I was running today. The game opens up, and with the cpu not consistently pounding the ball inside, the pass from the post issue is reduced, since its not happening at the same frequent pace.

Its also nice to know that now one must account for the other teams shooters.

This is what I thought you would start seeing. I was starting to get bored playing defense as all I had to do until making ratings changes was sag in a 2-3 zone and the cpu would not try to shoot me out of it. They kept forcing it inside where I would either block it or go up to contest the shot. Then I played Duke and that's what got me thinking about the ratings. The opening up concept and accounting for the shooters really hit home with me after I edited W. Johnson, Triche and a couple others from Syracuse and played against them. This was my second game against the Orange. In this second game, everytime I went into the 2-3 I the AI quickly adapted and made me pay. I started looking for 3-2 and 1-3-1 zone defenses as well as making sure I played tight man on the perimeter when I manned up. It really makes you mix up your defense more than ever.

[countryboy]

Re: "Testing for 3pt, passing out of post, and dunks"

Agreed DC.

BTW...whats your take on the dunking situation. Do you agree that there are too few dunks in the game? Do you believe that raising the dunk rating by 20 would be a good place to start? I'm not sure why the dunk rating is so low across the board. I don't recall seeing anyone in the 80's.

[countryboy]

Re: "Testing for 3pt, passing out of post, and dunks"

One thing, I simmed until January of a season with some adjusted 3pt ratings(Wall 99, Singlar 87, and Scheyer 83) and here were there 3pt %

Wall 35%
Singlar 44%
Scheyer 42%

Not too bad. They did attempt quite a few 3pt shots, but its going to be a give and take process with this.

[Jason2112]

Re: "Testing for 3pt, passing out of post, and dunks"

So why don't we all work together and get this as good as reasonably possible? I am working on accurate starting lineups right now, and I am also adjusting ratings in the process. The season is early so unless there's a big discrepency in the ratings compared to stats, I will just leave the player be. Ex. Wes Johnson of Syracuse is by default a 69 overall, but he is statistically their best player this year so far so I've adjusted his ratings according to his current stats. Is anyone working on appearances? Because that is really annoying me too. I've seen some ridiculously inaccurate appearances.

[deadlyCane]

Re: "Testing for 3pt, passing out of post, and dunks"

Agreed DC.

BTW...whats your take on the dunking situation. Do you agree that there are too few dunks in the game? Do you believe that raising the dunk rating by 20 would be a good place to start?

The dunking situation didn't bother me as much as it did you so I didn't make it an issue. But yes, I do agree that the dunk ratings are too low across the board. I first noticed this with a couple players with which I am familiar. I didn't really do much modification of this rating to test it though. This is mainly because it's harder to quantify someone's dunking ability than it is to quantify their 3pt shooting ability unless you've seen a decent amount of their games. Your solution should take care of that.

Another thing, I suspect that increasing the dunk rating will also give us more spectacular dunks. I raised Miami's DeQuan Jones' dunk rating and, man, he is a flyer in the game like in real life. He has thrown down some beauties. It's not overdone in terms of frequency either. And if a dearth of dunks bothers you then I would also suggest looking at upping some of the verticals as well. I've found that this makes a difference (not sure I can quantify how much though).

Oh yeah, almost forgot, those 3pt % you posted for Wall and others look good.

[DirtyJerz32]

Re: "Testing for 3pt, passing out of post, and dunks"

One thing, I simmed until January of a season with some adjusted 3pt ratings(Wall 99, Singlar 87, and Scheyer 83) and here were there 3pt %

Wall 35%
Singlar 44%
Scheyer 42%

Not too bad. They did attempt quite a few 3pt shots, but its going to be a give and take process with this.

That's great to hear. I wonder how many they were attempting each game...

[deadlyCane]

Re: "Testing for 3pt, passing out of post, and dunks"

So why don't we all work together and get this as good as reasonably possible? I am working on accurate starting lineups right now, and I am also adjusting ratings in the process.

I'm working on changes for the roster set I downloaded from here. I can't commit to a project but I can make my rosters available to the community if anyone wants to run with it. I've got two teams left in the ACC then I'm moving on to the Big 12 or Big Ten. My plan is go through the BCS conferences then hit the most popular mid majors. I'm mostly only editing three point ratings but I'm not going as extreme as countryboy. If a player is already over 80 I leave him there for most part unless he is a sick 3PT shooter like Seth/Stef Curry. Guys who attempt around 50 3pters a year and make anywhere from 35 to 40% with that many attempts get around 77. Guys who shoot around 30% get around 70 to 75ish depending on the number of attempts. I try to look at career averages since we're only about 5 or so games in the current season. Because I'm not going as extreme as countryboy, I don't know how effective my approach will be in the end. Perhaps someone who has some time could use my rosters and play against the teams I've modified to test. I haven't been able to test today as I'm trying to get chores done before the weekend is up.

I'm also adjusting starting lineups as I go. I'm not doing any appearance changes though unless in special situations. I'm just not being anal in that area. I want the game to play right first.