Shaq's weakness 'exposed' again

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Can you compare the stats right now and show me who had the better performance?

Did you watch the game?

Did you see Billups absolutely abuse Damon jones in the post?

Did you see Dooling out of control and not pass the ball?

Did you see Eddie make anything besides a dunk from a Shaq pass backdoor?

What about Rasual? Where was he?

Damon... 32 minutes and 1pt... a stupid play and turnover with the Heat up by 2.. liability on D, and 1pt in 32 minutes. His man absolutely ripped him in the post. Deer in the headlights the entire game.

Then there was Shaq 12-19 hitting crucial ft's also he missed a couple of needed shots too.

Now gin you should know better. Another bitter kobe fan waking from his coma since his hero missed the playoffs

[gin]

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Can you compare the stats right now and show me who had the better performance?

better performance out of who? Shaq and his teammates? Other than FG%, Shaq didn't have that great of a game. How does a 7ft, 335lb man get 9 rbs, when he's supposed to be the MDE???

Did you watch the game?

Man, of course I watched the game. Ain't nothing better than Game 7's in the NBA playoffs.

Did you see Billups absolutely abuse Damon jones in the post?

Yes he did. But Damon Jones? He's barely a role player. You can't blame the loss on minimal role players like D. Jones.

Did you see Dooling out of control and not pass the ball?

Same as D. Jones. He's a role player, a 6th-7th man off the bench. You can't blame this loss on somebody like that.

Did you see Eddie make anything besides a dunk from a Shaq pass backdoor?

Eddie Jones had 5 quick points in the 1st qtr (a 3 and a off rb and putback) and the Heat stopped going to him for some reason. He also hit that HUGE 3 at the halftime buzzer that kept Miami within 5, rather than 8. He wasn't the problem last night.

What about Rasual? Where was he?

Does this guy even start? What did you expect from him?

Damon... 32 minutes and 1pt... a stupid play and turnover with the Heat up by 2.. liability on D, and 1pt in 32 minutes. His man absolutely ripped him in the post. Deer in the headlights the entire game.

Damon Jones is the weak link in the Heat's starting 5. No team has All Stars at each position. Larry Brown and Billups did a good job of taking advantage of the mismatch. Plus we don't know how much he was slowed by the ankle injury. Even at 100%, you can't expect D.Jones to slow Billups down.

Then there was Shaq 12-19 hitting crucial ft's also he missed a couple of needed shots too.

Shaq was great down the stretch. He probably should have gotten the ball more, but there were NUMEROUS timeouts called in the last 2-3 minutes. If Van Gundy felt that going to Shaq was the best option, that's what he would have done. Sure he was hitting his FT's late, but with the game on the line, do you really want Shaq shooting FT's? Be honest.

Now gin you should know better. Another bitter kobe fan waking from his coma since his hero missed the playoffs

I'm not hiding the fact that I'm happy the Heat lost. I just don't think it's fair to blame everyone else on the squad for the loss. Shaq was horrendus defensively and not nearly active enough on the boards. He needs to shoulder some of the blame as well.

Oh and I didn't hear you mention Wade, he disappeared in the 4th quarter. Why didn't you mention his name?

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I'm not hiding the fact that I'm happy the Heat lost. I just don't think it's fair to blame everyone else on the squad for the loss. Shaq was horrendus defensively and not nearly active enough on the boards. He needs to shoulder some of the blame as well.

Actually I wasnt blaming all but Shaq, but since you wanted to bring your bitterness into the thread I decided to point out some KEY stretches that killed the game for Miami that had the role players written all over it. If you saw the game you cannot deny that those plays in crunchtime hurt the team when they could've won.

BTW, you do realize the role players are just as important during the playoffs right?.. just checking

Im not even sure why I decided to discuss the playoffs with you in the first place. We should be talking about the lottery and who kobe/mitch is going to select.

[Lintyfresh85]

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maybe because Wade played hurt the entire game and he carried the team for much of the season and oh yeah it's only his second year...

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maybe because Wade played hurt the entire game and he carried the team for much of the season and oh yeah it's only his second year...

Its okay... he's not too into facts at the moment. Allow him to bask in the bitterness that is the lottery

[Kashanova]

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Can you compare the stats right now and show me who had the better performance?

better performance out of who? Shaq and his teammates? Other than FG%, Shaq didn't have that great of a game. How does a 7ft, 335lb man get 9 rbs, when he's supposed to be the MDE???

Did you watch the game?

Man, of course I watched the game. Ain't nothing better than Game 7's in the NBA playoffs.

Did you see Billups absolutely abuse Damon jones in the post?

Yes he did. But Damon Jones? He's barely a role player. You can't blame the loss on minimal role players like D. Jones.

Did you see Dooling out of control and not pass the ball?

Same as D. Jones. He's a role player, a 6th-7th man off the bench. You can't blame this loss on somebody like that.

Did you see Eddie make anything besides a dunk from a Shaq pass backdoor?

Eddie Jones had 5 quick points in the 1st qtr (a 3 and a off rb and putback) and the Heat stopped going to him for some reason. He also hit that HUGE 3 at the halftime buzzer that kept Miami within 5, rather than 8. He wasn't the problem last night.

What about Rasual? Where was he?

Does this guy even start? What did you expect from him?

Damon... 32 minutes and 1pt... a stupid play and turnover with the Heat up by 2.. liability on D, and 1pt in 32 minutes. His man absolutely ripped him in the post. Deer in the headlights the entire game.

Damon Jones is the weak link in the Heat's starting 5. No team has All Stars at each position. Larry Brown and Billups did a good job of taking advantage of the mismatch. Plus we don't know how much he was slowed by the ankle injury. Even at 100%, you can't expect D.Jones to slow Billups down.

Then there was Shaq 12-19 hitting crucial ft's also he missed a couple of needed shots too.

Shaq was great down the stretch. He probably should have gotten the ball more, but there were NUMEROUS timeouts called in the last 2-3 minutes. If Van Gundy felt that going to Shaq was the best option, that's what he would have done. Sure he was hitting his FT's late, but with the game on the line, do you really want Shaq shooting FT's? Be honest.

Now gin you should know better. Another bitter kobe fan waking from his coma since his hero missed the playoffs

I'm not hiding the fact that I'm happy the Heat lost. I just don't think it's fair to blame everyone else on the squad for the loss. Shaq was horrendus defensively and not nearly active enough on the boards. He needs to shoulder some of the blame as well.

Oh and I didn't hear you mention Wade, he disappeared in the 4th quarter. Why didn't you mention his name?

so what your saying is blame the stars not the role players. ok will do kobe deserves all the blame for the lakers not making the playoffs and for not winning the finals last year
ppg rpg apg
S. O'Neal
26.6 10.8 1.6
K. Bryant
22.6 2.8 4.4

shaq did his part where was kobe.. so who takes the blame now?

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Actually I wasnt blaming all but Shaq, but since you wanted to bring your bitterness into the thread I decided to point out some KEY stretches that killed the game for Miami that had the role players written all over it. If you saw the game you cannot deny that those plays in crunchtime hurt the team when they could've won.

BTW, you do realize the role players are just as important during the playoffs right?.. just checking

Im not even sure why I decided to discuss the playoffs with you in the first place. We should be talking about the lottery and who kobe/mitch is going to select.

I know role players are important. Players like Fox, Horry and Fisher were vital to the Lakers run. Thing is, as a leader, Shaq has yet to learn to accept responsibility for losses as well as praise for victories. He always points fingers at other players/coaching staff and he did it again last night when he said that he wasn't the one calling plays.

You point out key stretches in the game, but it was ALL game that Shaq wasn't pulling down boards like he needs to and it was ALL game that Shaq was making no effort to defend the pick and roll. How many open shots did the Pistons hit cuz of Shaq's unwillingness to defend the pick and roll or play help defense?????? That was more of a factor in the loss than a few bad plays by D. Jones and Keyon Dooling (he hit some clutch shots last night by the way).

I do agree that Damon Jones was horrible last night. He didn't contribute jack to the Heat.

[Brankles]

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I know role players are important. Players like Fox, Horry and Fisher were vital to the Lakers run. Thing is, as a leader, Shaq has yet to learn to accept responsibility for losses as well as praise for victories. He always points fingers at other players/coaching staff and he did it again last night when he said that he wasn't the one calling plays.

You point out key stretches in the game, but it was ALL game that Shaq wasn't pulling down boards like he needs to and it was ALL game that Shaq was making no effort to defend the pick and roll. How many open shots did the Pistons hit cuz of Shaq's unwillingness to defend the pick and roll or play help defense?????? That was more of a factor in the loss than a few bad plays by D. Jones and Keyon Dooling (he hit some clutch shots last night by the way).

I do agree that Damon Jones was horrible last night. He didn't contribute jack to the Heat.

You don't get it, do you.


Holla

[gin]

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You don't get it, do you.


Holla

I do get it. You guys think Shaq can't do any wrong and none of the Heat's losses are on him, they are always on players like Damon Jones and Keyon Dooling and Udonis Haslem and Rasual Butler.

I get it.

[utexas]

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Shaq did his job, he played well enough to win especially considering he was 3-4 in the fourth and 3-4 from the free throw line in the 4th. He didn't get enough touches in the paint. He is doing all of this on a severely injured thigh. I assume you are Rockets, so I know you would take Shaq over Yao if you are willing to be honest with us.

[RahKhem]

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I do get it. You guys think Shaq can't do any wrong and none of the Heat's losses are on him, they are always on players like Damon Jones and Keyon Dooling and Udonis Haslem and Rasual Butler.

I get it.

Yo, don't even sweat Branks, he's a baiter, just let it go.

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I do get it. You guys think Shaq can't do any wrong and none of the Heat's losses are on him, they are always on players like Damon Jones and Keyon Dooling and Udonis Haslem and Rasual Butler.

I get it.

No you dont get it

[Court_vision]

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Shaq took big shots. He came up huge for the team. Its not his fault the ex-Clipper Dooling plays like an out of control non passing pg, and Damon Jones played 32 minutes to score 1pt and turn the ball over at crucial moments.

Rasual Butler Damon Jones, and Eddie Jones combined for about 4-19.

And noone said Shaq was the GOAT, except AI

No one?

Several publications have him as their G O A T.


Again...I am not doubting his dominance...but how people could possibly compare him to Jordan is beyond me.

And BigEast...my favourite player of all time was Hakeem.

Shaq = 3 rings
Dream = 2.

And Dream never had a supporting all star in his prime.

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Im not sure who these publications are, but the majority consensus seems to be MJ tfrom what I know.

[NINJAK2]

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I do get it. You guys think Shaq can't do any wrong and none of the Heat's losses are on him, they are always on players like Damon Jones and Keyon Dooling and Udonis Haslem and Rasual Butler.

I get it.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying THIS loss wasn't Shaq's fault. Haslem came to play last night. He is free from blame. Dooling was playing simply out of control most of the night and Damon and Rasual were non factors.

Shaq is not a PG,SG or SF. He can't be expected to take the ball the length of the court, putting the ball immediately in his hands on the inbounds like a Kobe, A.I. or MJ. Players need to get the ball to him on the blocks. Shaq rarely takes a bad shot which means if you give it to him he will give it back if you're open or the D collapses. That Heat backcourt was in major panic mode (Wade included with his batch of rushed shots when not needed)and they didn't get the ball inside enough down the stretch. They should have worked from the interior to the perimeter but they did it backwards instead. The Pistons did what Champions do--They remained cool under pressure.

Van Gundy will not be coaching the Heat next year imo. Shaq only has so many years left now and they need a coach who can have that young squad playing with more discipline down the stretch. I don't know if Gundy is the guy to do that.