Damn, kids today are already forgetting about MJ's greatness

[Air23]

http://www.basketballboards.net/forum/showthread.php?t=211554

Heh, some of them are saying today's defense in the NBA is better than back when Jordan was in his prime.

Um, no. Players today just can't shoot worth a damn.

[Air23]

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Oh, this thread is gold:

http://www.basketballboards.net/forum/showthread.php?t=211172

[kuruption]

Re: Damn, kids today are already forgetting about MJ's greatness

legacys/legends fade. its just how it works.

[23]

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legacys/legends fade. its just how it works.

Dont be silly. The NBA hasnt been right since this man left the L, and its always trying to find the next player up to snuff with this game.

The truth is, the only thing that has faded is the game itself because the NBA has unsuccessfully kept up with the standard he set.

[SPTO]

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I will say this, defensive schemes are probably a lot better today then 20 years ago but the players of today don't know the meaning of teamwork and fundamentals.

So all in all defensive schemes were simpler but the players knew what they were doing.

[nofearsp2007]

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i think jordan would drop 50 on any team in the league if he was playing in his prime right now. i dont care what anybody says he has everything you need as a b ball player and you cant stop him. and as for the duncan comment, that is stupid to say because mj had only one great player besides him. scottie pippen.

[kuruption]

Re: Damn, kids today are already forgetting about MJ's greatness

Dont be silly. The NBA hasnt been right since this man left the L, and its always trying to find the next player up to snuff with this game.

The truth is, the only thing that has faded is the game itself because the NBA has unsuccessfully kept up with the standard he set.

u remember jordan and the great things he did ...older ppl thought nobody would be better than elgin baylor/insert who u want. nobody thought anybody would ever compare to wilt . those guys are remembered as some of the greats but every generation has somebody that was the greatest. its just the way it works. jordan will always be remembered but his legacy will fade somewhat.

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apparently his legacy is alive and well. i dont think Wilt or baylor, or russell has done for the game of basketball itself that MJ has.

Its noone's fault that the kids of today dont know a lick of what they're talking about.

[kuruption]

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apparently his legacy is alive and well. i dont think Wilt or baylor, or russell has done for the game of basketball itself that MJ has.

Its noone's fault that the kids of today dont know a lick of what they're talking about.

its because it hasnt been long since he retired..

thats what ppl probably thought about u/ur generation growing up...his legacy is alive and well but 10-15 years from now i doubt it will be as strong as it is today. legends fade , aint no denying it. ill use the best example i can think of . rakim (the god mc ) and krs-one were kings in their day . today they are an afterthought to these "kids" that dont know what they're talking about .thats the best way i can put it .

[Leon]

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That is true. Legends and their legacies fade in time. What is sad though is that the kids today (maybe I count as one of them, but I know my NBAstory) don't bother to know the history of the game. Before this generation there was Jordan, Drexler, Pippen, Olajuwon, Barkley, Stockton & Malone etc. Before that there was Magic & Larry, Jabbar, Dr. J etc. Then there was Gervin, Thompson, Jabbar again, Chamberlain, Russel, Robertson etc. and all those greats.

For me, I guess it's okay if people consider the players of THEIR generation better than the ones before but I hope they don't go on saying that without knowing what the game was like in the past and how these players played and contributed to what the NBA is now.

[HMcCoy]

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In his time, Wilt was Shaq, Ben Wallace, and Yao Ming (size differential) wrapped in one. He dominated the league like no other. Yet ask the "MJ" generation who the G.O.A.T. is...Wilt never comes up. Same could be said for Mikan in his time. I agree 100% with korrupt and Leon...our generation who had the privledge to watch MJ dominate will always remember him, but he's not exempt from time. The 12-year old kids who are watching Bron and Wade tear it up won't have the same frame of reference, and when their time comes to flood the net with their generations' e-opinions...MJ will be in the same boat with the other NBA greats, relegated to "old footage". Its inevitable.

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Say what you will, but the NBA cant let MJ go. Nothing about his retirement. He played in an era of true all time greats. All of the guys Leon mentioned, they continued to expand the game. Its not so at this point.

Now, its not even as good as it was. Everything from fundamentals to nba rules have been watered down to pathetic levels.

As the topic says, kids are forgetting, but not everyone. Kids actually are speaking without knowing anything. Just show me a team assembled with more impact in the world than the original dream team.

Fact is, as long as the nba cant get over jordan, he'll always be around... we went from grant hill is the next, to oh penny is the next, oh to stackhouse, oh to Vince, oh to kobe, now oh to lebron..... all the next who?

Its hard for something to fade if you never had a clue in the 1st place

[Graphik]

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Good topic. On one hand I agree with Leon and on the other, I agree with KDRE. Its really hard to gauge. I mean, back during Wilts times, bball was'nt the popular sport that MJ elevated when he came into te league. MJ made basketball what is today. Something that Wilt, Magic, Bird and the rest could never do. Expand it globally.

It does make a awful lot of sense about legends and legacys fading however. Think of countless actors, musicians, entertainers and actresses who were considered revolutionist in their day but are nothing more than a once a year topic brought up only during birthdays and special anniversaries. Will Jordan fall victim to our historic past? Only time will tell. Legends usually die when someone in the present surpasses them and Jordan will most definitely be surpassed at some point. By who, who knows.

On the other hand, sports legends usually stick better than musicians and entertainers IMO. Look at Babe Ruths legacy for instance. A guy who played in the early 1900s still has his place in todays society and his legacy is kept alive in numerous refrences, from movies to commercials. Can Jordan also be inshrined in the American hall of fame like Ruth? Once again, only time will tell.

[PdiddyPop]

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I don't think MJ will be forgotten, because of his marketing ability. The guy isn't even playing anymore, but yet his shoes are still top sellers. He has himself marketed on clothes, shoes, and any other thing you can think of. If anything MJ did the best out of anybody transcending the sport. Sure Wilt, Russell, Mikian did the sport great justice. However, MJ took the sport and took it into a new light through marketing. It was a bold, and very smart move on MJ's part.

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I don't think MJ will be forgotten, because of his marketing ability. The guy isn't even playing anymore, but yet his shoes are still top sellers. He has himself marketed on clothes, shoes, and any other thing you can think of. If anything MJ did the best out of anybody transcending the sport. Sure Wilt, Russell, Mikian did the sport great justice. However, MJ took the sport and took it into a new light through marketing. It was a bold, and very smart move on MJ's part.

Yes Graphik, and I also agree here, which is what is not being understood, it was because of MJ that alot of these athletes are able to get some of the particular endorsements that they get. Commercial exposure, and so on.

The mans name is an icon itself. Mikan didnt do this. Wilt wasn't able to,with all of his great talent, maximize it into something beyond what we know here in the US. MJ goes to China last year, and has millions of people following him around. I hardly call that forgotten, or faded.

MJ came in and took what Magic and Bird brought back to the NBA and made it better. I dont see that in todays game. When MJ finally retired, and you saw all of the all stars standing behind him as he gave his speech, you could look and see, there was no one man standing there that could fill his shoes, let alone, take what he's done and make it better. Heck, Im not even as impressed with this era of basketball, because I've seen better, in a much more pure form, without all of the medicines, and weight equipment, and latest technologies.

Please, wherever, I dont care where it is, anywhere in the world, stand on the street and pick anyone you want to if they know of Michael Jordan... You'll be hard pressed even in today's day of the crossover and bling, that you'll find many people who say they've never heard of him, dont know anything he did, don't see his products even today remain just as if he were still playing.

MJ kept just about everything Vanilla in his day, and the sad part is, the guys that do that now, they hardly care to recognize.