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  • EWRMETS
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    • Jul 2002
    • 7491

    #31
    Re: Prince withdraws from Olympic Team Consideration

    Originally posted by ehh
    I don't think you can really compare Prince and RJ. One's a role player on a great team who defends and does the little things, while the other is the second scoring option on a very average team.

    Who knows what RJ would do on a great team where he didn't have to score as much, and who knows that Tayshaun would do on a team that was awful and he needed to take twice as many shots a night.
    That'd be a great argument but guess who has more shot attempts this year? Yep, Prince by 35. RJ shoots better percentage and better 3 point percentage. Averages more rebounds, assists, and steals. RJ is simply a much better player than Prince. RJ in his first few seasons was a role player as you say Prince is, and RJ still put up better numbers.

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    • poster
      All Star
      • Nov 2003
      • 7506

      #32
      Re: Prince withdraws from Olympic Team Consideration

      Originally posted by EWRMETS
      If you watch basketball other than Pistons games and you tell me that Prince is better than RJ you are blind. And what happens every time they play against each other?
      Never said he was better except on the defensive end. I will agree that Prince has trouble against the stronger SF's. Just can't see how anyone would think that a defender who has shut down two of the best players in his era in a playoff series is an overrated defender unless you are "blind".

      Also you rip him for being the worst Piston starter. That's like saying Ringo or George is the worst Beatle. He's part of the best starting five this league has seen in a while so there is no shame in that. On top of that lots of experts think he might be their best player in 2 years, he's that good. Anyways keep talking, meanwhile you're team can barely stay over .500 in the mighty Atlantic division that can only be described as crapola suckfest.

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      • Vince
        Bow for Bau
        • Aug 2002
        • 26017

        #33
        Re: Prince withdraws from Olympic Team Consideration

        Also you rip him for being the worst Piston starter
        Well, who do you want him to say is? Chauncey???
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        • poster
          All Star
          • Nov 2003
          • 7506

          #34
          Re: Prince withdraws from Olympic Team Consideration

          Originally posted by Vinceanity2k3
          Well, who do you want him to say is? Chauncey???
          You're missing my point. Being the worst Piston starter isn't half bad.

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          • Seavs
            Rookie
            • Nov 2002
            • 52

            #35
            Re: Prince withdraws from Olympic Team Consideration

            Originally posted by EWRMETS
            That'd be a great argument but guess who has more shot attempts this year? Yep, Prince by 35. RJ shoots better percentage and better 3 point percentage. Averages more rebounds, assists, and steals. RJ is simply a much better player than Prince. RJ in his first few seasons was a role player as you say Prince is, and RJ still put up better numbers.
            I'm guessing the 3 more games Prince has played is a big reason he has 35 more shots. And not only does Jefferson not shoot a much better 3 pt. %, he is alot worse (31% vs. 36.4%).

            I don't think you can just compare the stats of both players. Jefferson is a bigger part of the offense on an average team. His rebounding numbers are helped tremendously by the lack of any inside presence on the Nets, and his assists are up because he simply gets to handle the ball much more. Jefferson also turns the ball over alot, but that conveniently wasn't mentioned. It's alot easier to put up big numbers when your team is average and doesn't have many scoring options. Prince is the 4th scoring option on the best team in the league. Jefferson definitly puts up better numbers, but I'm more interested in winning, unless we're drafting fantasy basketball teams.

            Don't get me wrong, I think Jefferson is a good player, but to say he is much better than Prince is silly.

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            • EWRMETS
              All Star
              • Jul 2002
              • 7491

              #36
              Re: Prince withdraws from Olympic Team Consideration

              Originally posted by Seavs
              I'm guessing the 3 more games Prince has played is a big reason he has 35 more shots. And not only does Jefferson not shoot a much better 3 pt. %, he is alot worse (31% vs. 36.4%).

              I don't think you can just compare the stats of both players. Jefferson is a bigger part of the offense on an average team. His rebounding numbers are helped tremendously by the lack of any inside presence on the Nets, and his assists are up because he simply gets to handle the ball much more. Jefferson also turns the ball over alot, but that conveniently wasn't mentioned. It's alot easier to put up big numbers when your team is average and doesn't have many scoring options. Prince is the 4th scoring option on the best team in the league. Jefferson definitly puts up better numbers, but I'm more interested in winning, unless we're drafting fantasy basketball teams.
              Don't get me wrong, I think Jefferson is a good player, but to say he is much better than Prince is silly.
              First off Jefferson does win. He's been to just as many NBA finals as Prince and has never played for a team that hasn't made the playoffs. It's not like he plays on losing teams.

              My bad on the 3 pt percentage...didn't look at that one carefully enough, but the Jefferson still has a good margin better field goal percentage than Prince. He also has gotten to the line 220 more times than Prince. Is this a product of Jefferson being the second scoring option...maybe, but it's still very impressive. Jefferson has become one of the most efficient players in the NBA..getting to the line and not requiring that many shots.

              One more thing, where do you get that Prince shut down T-Mac? Look at the stats from that series.

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              • Kobeisgod
                Rookie
                • Jan 2006
                • 159

                #37
                Re: Prince withdraws from Olympic Team Consideration

                I like Tayshaun more then the other Pistons... well other then Billups

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                • Shaver
                  Legend
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 10148

                  #38
                  Re: Prince withdraws from Olympic Team Consideration

                  Originally posted by EWRMETS
                  First off Jefferson does win. He's been to just as many NBA finals as Prince and has never played for a team that hasn't made the playoffs. It's not like he plays on losing teams.
                  I thought RJ has only been in 1 Finals
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                  • Vince
                    Bow for Bau
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 26017

                    #39
                    Re: Prince withdraws from Olympic Team Consideration

                    Originally posted by Clay_OS
                    I thought RJ has only been in 1 Finals

                    He's been in 2. He played a more vital role in the one vs the Spurs because Van Horn got traded that year.
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                    • Shaver
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                      • Jul 2002
                      • 10148

                      #40
                      Re: Prince withdraws from Olympic Team Consideration

                      Damn... I forgot the Nets made it back-to-back years. Damn brain cells!
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                      • Kobeisgod
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                        • Jan 2006
                        • 159

                        #41
                        Re: Prince withdraws from Olympic Team Consideration

                        Originally posted by Clay_OS
                        Damn... I forgot the Nets made it back-to-back years. Damn brain cells!
                        it's easy to forget, they didn't have snowball chance in hell to win

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                        • EWRMETS
                          All Star
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 7491

                          #42
                          Re: Prince withdraws from Olympic Team Consideration

                          Originally posted by Kobeisgod
                          it's easy to forget, they didn't have snowball chance in hell to win
                          If they had a coach who knew how to get the ball to his hot hand and play Dikembe Mutombo, they might have.

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                          • umd
                            MVP
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 1970

                            #43
                            Re: Prince withdraws from Olympic Team Consideration

                            Originally posted by Vinceanity2k3
                            Lets be real here.

                            If the lineup consisted of

                            Billups
                            Kobe
                            Lebron
                            KG
                            Shaq

                            with Bench guys like

                            Brand
                            Bosh
                            Redd
                            T-Mac
                            VC

                            They would wipe the floor out of any team. Last olympics you had freaking Marbury as your point man, and Larry Brown was too stupid to not play James and Wade or Carmelo enough minutes.
                            OK I'll be real here. On paper your team looks awesome but ONLY on paper-playing NBA basketball. Reality says you are probably not going to get a 3 year commitment from all of those guys by the time 3 years is up anyway.

                            You also seriously underestimate international basketball. Any time you cobble together ANY team whether its all superstars or a few superstars and role players you are at a disadvantage to International teams. National teams in the Olympics have played together for years and years, all year round w/ FIBA and international play/scrimmages.

                            The NBA game does not translate to international rules and gameplay either. In International Reality (not your perfect NBA Reality) The improved talent of international players, wider lane, the ability of bigs to step outside and shoot, the complex cutting/backdoor/shooting/ball movement offenses of International teams and the limiting one-on-one play of NBAers makes every US Olympic team no guarantee to "wipe the floor" with anyone.

                            You need specialists and role players like the Tayshaun Princes, the Bruce Bowens, the Elton Brands and even throw in a few old American college stars that are playing in Euro leagues to bring some international experience to the US Olympic team.

                            Hopefully Colangelo will do that. If not we'll be another bronze medal loser.
                            Last edited by umd; 02-08-2006, 01:27 PM.

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                            • ehh
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 28962

                              #44
                              Re: Prince withdraws from Olympic Team Consideration

                              Originally posted by EWRMETS
                              That'd be a great argument but guess who has more shot attempts this year? Yep, Prince by 35.

                              Well Prince has played in 4 more games than RJ, but I didn't think it was that close anyway. I still think they're pretty even in terms of what they mean to their teams.
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                              • jmood88
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                                • Jul 2003
                                • 34639

                                #45
                                Re: Prince withdraws from Olympic Team Consideration

                                Originally posted by EWRMETS
                                If they had a coach who knew how to get the ball to his hot hand and play Dikembe Mutombo, they might have.
                                I highly doubt that.
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