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Re: Prince withdraws from Olympic Team Consideration
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Re: Prince withdraws from Olympic Team Consideration
Originally posted by EWRMETSIf you watch basketball other than Pistons games and you tell me that Prince is better than RJ you are blind. And what happens every time they play against each other?
Also you rip him for being the worst Piston starter. That's like saying Ringo or George is the worst Beatle. He's part of the best starting five this league has seen in a while so there is no shame in that. On top of that lots of experts think he might be their best player in 2 years, he's that good. Anyways keep talking, meanwhile you're team can barely stay over .500 in the mighty Atlantic division that can only be described as crapola suckfest.Comment
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Re: Prince withdraws from Olympic Team Consideration
Also you rip him for being the worst Piston starterComment
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Re: Prince withdraws from Olympic Team Consideration
Originally posted by EWRMETSThat'd be a great argument but guess who has more shot attempts this year? Yep, Prince by 35. RJ shoots better percentage and better 3 point percentage. Averages more rebounds, assists, and steals. RJ is simply a much better player than Prince. RJ in his first few seasons was a role player as you say Prince is, and RJ still put up better numbers.
I don't think you can just compare the stats of both players. Jefferson is a bigger part of the offense on an average team. His rebounding numbers are helped tremendously by the lack of any inside presence on the Nets, and his assists are up because he simply gets to handle the ball much more. Jefferson also turns the ball over alot, but that conveniently wasn't mentioned. It's alot easier to put up big numbers when your team is average and doesn't have many scoring options. Prince is the 4th scoring option on the best team in the league. Jefferson definitly puts up better numbers, but I'm more interested in winning, unless we're drafting fantasy basketball teams.
Don't get me wrong, I think Jefferson is a good player, but to say he is much better than Prince is silly.Comment
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Re: Prince withdraws from Olympic Team Consideration
Originally posted by SeavsI'm guessing the 3 more games Prince has played is a big reason he has 35 more shots. And not only does Jefferson not shoot a much better 3 pt. %, he is alot worse (31% vs. 36.4%).
I don't think you can just compare the stats of both players. Jefferson is a bigger part of the offense on an average team. His rebounding numbers are helped tremendously by the lack of any inside presence on the Nets, and his assists are up because he simply gets to handle the ball much more. Jefferson also turns the ball over alot, but that conveniently wasn't mentioned. It's alot easier to put up big numbers when your team is average and doesn't have many scoring options. Prince is the 4th scoring option on the best team in the league. Jefferson definitly puts up better numbers, but I'm more interested in winning, unless we're drafting fantasy basketball teams.
Don't get me wrong, I think Jefferson is a good player, but to say he is much better than Prince is silly.
My bad on the 3 pt percentage...didn't look at that one carefully enough, but the Jefferson still has a good margin better field goal percentage than Prince. He also has gotten to the line 220 more times than Prince. Is this a product of Jefferson being the second scoring option...maybe, but it's still very impressive. Jefferson has become one of the most efficient players in the NBA..getting to the line and not requiring that many shots.
One more thing, where do you get that Prince shut down T-Mac? Look at the stats from that series.Comment
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Re: Prince withdraws from Olympic Team Consideration
Originally posted by EWRMETSFirst off Jefferson does win. He's been to just as many NBA finals as Prince and has never played for a team that hasn't made the playoffs. It's not like he plays on losing teams.Listen to The Remodeling Clay Podcast!
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Originally posted by Clay_OSI thought RJ has only been in 1 Finals
He's been in 2. He played a more vital role in the one vs the Spurs because Van Horn got traded that year.Comment
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Damn... I forgot the Nets made it back-to-back years. Damn brain cells!Listen to The Remodeling Clay Podcast!
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Originally posted by Kobeisgodit's easy to forget, they didn't have snowball chance in hell to winComment
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Re: Prince withdraws from Olympic Team Consideration
Originally posted by Vinceanity2k3Lets be real here.
If the lineup consisted of
Billups
Kobe
Lebron
KG
Shaq
with Bench guys like
Brand
Bosh
Redd
T-Mac
VC
They would wipe the floor out of any team. Last olympics you had freaking Marbury as your point man, and Larry Brown was too stupid to not play James and Wade or Carmelo enough minutes.
You also seriously underestimate international basketball. Any time you cobble together ANY team whether its all superstars or a few superstars and role players you are at a disadvantage to International teams. National teams in the Olympics have played together for years and years, all year round w/ FIBA and international play/scrimmages.
The NBA game does not translate to international rules and gameplay either. In International Reality (not your perfect NBA Reality) The improved talent of international players, wider lane, the ability of bigs to step outside and shoot, the complex cutting/backdoor/shooting/ball movement offenses of International teams and the limiting one-on-one play of NBAers makes every US Olympic team no guarantee to "wipe the floor" with anyone.
You need specialists and role players like the Tayshaun Princes, the Bruce Bowens, the Elton Brands and even throw in a few old American college stars that are playing in Euro leagues to bring some international experience to the US Olympic team.
Hopefully Colangelo will do that. If not we'll be another bronze medal loser.Last edited by umd; 02-08-2006, 01:27 PM.Comment
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Re: Prince withdraws from Olympic Team Consideration
Originally posted by EWRMETSThat'd be a great argument but guess who has more shot attempts this year? Yep, Prince by 35.
Well Prince has played in 4 more games than RJ, but I didn't think it was that close anyway. I still think they're pretty even in terms of what they mean to their teams."You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier
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