Ejections: What are your thoughts?

[ehh]

Re: Ejections: What are your thoughts?

Time will tell.

BTW, what makes it questionable? Just because a player overreacts doesnt mean its a questionable call so Im not sure if youre even making a point here.

I don't think it will have the effect of Skinner's theory, which is something used to help remedy psycholigical problems - not physical reactions.

It's the same in college and high school basketball where there has always been a much lower tolerance in terms of handing tech's and players still react. At best, players will walk away in disgust, bit their jersey, or fling their arms in there air. It will NEVER reach a point where a player is whistled for a questionable call and they just sit there completely emotionless and do not react. Even TJ Ford two nights ago when he stripped Jason Kidd clear as day and the ref blew the whistle for a foul on Ford and Ford sprinted down the other end of the court holding the ball, high-stepping in disbelief.

A call questionable when they show a replay six times and it's clear as day that it was a clean block, but a foul was called. Oh, and back to the Ford/Kidd example, the refs conferenced together and decided it was an "inadvertant whistle" and called a jump ball because it was such a clean strip.

Are you going to try and start arguing there's no such thing as a questionable call in sports next? Yes, I agree that many players overract when they do committ a foul or violation, but to suggest there's no such thing as a questionable call is absurd.

[PlayaHataSupreme]

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I think the players will subliminally adjust to it and they will be slightly less prone to some sudden reactions.

You will still see them, but I think the mentality will slowly slip into the minds of the players and take over in their minds before they make that sudden reaction.

I think the NBA has good intent here. Now if only we can cut down on those breathing fouls and flopping........

[teebone]

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I don't think it will have the effect of Skinner's theory, which is something used to help remedy psycholigical problems - not physical reactions.

It's the same in college and high school basketball where there has always been a much lower tolerance in terms of handing tech's and players still react. At best, players will walk away in disgust, bit their jersey, or fling their arms in there air. It will NEVER reach a point where a player is whistled for a questionable call and they just sit there completely emotionless and do not react. Even TJ Ford two nights ago when he stripped Jason Kidd clear as day and the ref blew the whistle for a foul on Ford and Ford sprinted down the other end of the court holding the ball, high-stepping in disbelief.

A call questionable when they show a replay six times and it's clear as day that it was a clean block, but a foul was called. Oh, and back to the Ford/Kidd example, the refs conferenced together and decided it was an "inadvertant whistle" and called a jump ball because it was such a clean strip.

Are you going to try and start arguing there's no such thing as a questionable call in sports next? Yes, I agree that many players overract when they do committ a foul or violation, but to suggest there's no such thing as a questionable call is absurd.

Where do you get this stuff? Did I say that? Why are you always wrong when you make inferences-- never mind, I dont care. In any case, they overreact most of the time and its often not even a questionable call. Sooner or later these guys will learn to understand that a 50/50 call might not go their way. For the most part though, its posturing.

BTW, youre wrong. The study is independent of the application that was derived from it. Its simply observed behavior and again, it indicates you can shape behavior through negative reinforcement. How someone wants to use that knowledge is an arbitrary choice.

[Muzyk23]

Re: Ejections: What are your thoughts?

I love the rule. Quit bit@#$, start playing. Fans want to watch good basketball, not millioners crying about every call.

[CMH]

Re: Ejections: What are your thoughts?

Man whats wrong with you people?

What about the folks paying 2500 to see these players and they get tossed for arguing a foul call.


A tech is one thing, like it used to be when Magic and Rodman head butted a ref, but arguing a call?

Nothing personal, but man, I love your posts. It's fun to know that there is someone on these basketball boards that is in direct contract to me. Allows for discussion - so long as it stays healthy and not personal.

So, I can understand your frustration over the rule. I agree that emotion is part of the game.

But, I will note that I watched the Knick/Grizzlies game and several players put up their hands in disbelief and spoke to the refs after a call and did not get a technical.

1. I think the refs understand if a player is a bit flabbergasted. It's when they start showing up the refs that things get out of line. (that being said, I did not get to watch the entire Nuggets game so I didn't see what Carmelo did to get ejected early. I believe Bibby was also ejected early in his first game, too).

2. Most of the calls were late in the 4th and in every overtime. I don't think the refs wanted to destroy the outcome of the game by ejecting David Lee, for example, just because he didn't agree with a call.

From what I've seen, players that aren't showing up the refs haven't been given a technical. Players that want to talk (Nate Robinson got a T and I expect he will get many this season) will get T'ed up.

[ehh]

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Where do you get this stuff? Did I say that? Why are you always wrong when you make inferences-- never mind, I dont care.

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BTW, what makes it questionable? Just because a player overreacts doesnt mean its a questionable call so Im not sure if youre even making a point here.

You said you weren't even sure I was making a point, so I told you the point I was making.

[PlayaHataSupreme]

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I think the effects of this rule will be felt more long-term than short-term.

Teebone is right when he said that the players do what they have done because they can get away with it. And he's also right about players bitching about 50/50 calls, too. Sure, it shows the competitive nature of the players, but a line must be drawn when Tim Duncan thinks he's God when it comes to committing fouls.

[TruFunkSoldier]

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Players should be allowed to express themselves and react to a 'bad' call...its human nature! Some of the Techs were ridiculous, like Nocioni's or when Elson dunked! Maybe they are being ultra strict right now but I really hope they let up on the Ts a bit. Emotion is a part of the game; if the players suddenly become zombies and dont react to anything it'll be like giving in - can't do that in sports.

[Lintyfresh85]

Re: Ejections: What are your thoughts?

I love it! NBA players are probably the biggest complainers in all of sports! The more authority the refs gain back the better IMO!

[23]

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YP, not problems with your post at all.

One thing, like ehh stated, all Nocioni did was signal that he was hit on the arm when he shot the basketball and he got a tech.

That was totally uncalled for. I've seen more calls just the same since preseason.

The thing that bothers me is, the referees have been a problem in the nba for some time now. One day they call the game tight, the next they allow one team to be more liberal in play while whistling the other team.

The inconsistency and discretion of the refs due to their own emotion gets out of hand sometimes. You've seen crucial games blown by refs in the post season by awful calls.

This isnt a matter of psychology. I dont want to pay my good money to see the players become robots. Sure they need to play, but at the same time there arent a bunch of rasheed wallaces playing.

Teching guys up for hand signals are insane. Melo was ejected early which ruined the teams chances by a star player.

Sure this rule may shut Mark Cuban up in one avenue since fines didnt work, but at the same time, don't expect everyone to pull a calmness switch and play intensly at the same time all in one shot.

Its going to take time and the refs should use their discretion knowing this. I know I dont want to see the playoffs where none of the players can say anything. I'd be a fool to sit here and tell you that Im at home not saying a word, calmly staring at the tv when I see a blatantly bad call. If its not east at home, its surely that much harder actually in the game.

[CMH]

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The refs are definitely being very tight with the T's.

I still think they are being over dramatic about it to send a message early in the season.

But, I can only hope that it dies down a bit. I still want to see them hand out T's for guys that complain for no reason and I can understand if a ref hands out a T for bad reasons every now and then (no one is perfect).

The refs just need to know that guys will be a bit shocked with a call if it either 1) hurts the team, 2) hurts their chances of playing because of foul trouble or 3) was very close.

[23]

Re: Ejections: What are your thoughts?

Via Sacramento Bee

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The Kings point guard doesn't like the NBA dress code that was installed before last season, though his surprise return from a thumb injury in Wednesday night's regular-season opener at Minnesota kept his suit-less streak alive at 83 games and counting. Bibby despises the new synthetic ball, much preferring the rawhide feel of the long-gone leather. Thursday, he added one to the list: the crackdown by officials on arguing and on-court antics. Bibby said he will likely protest his ejection that took place with 2:52 left in the fourth quarter of the Kings' loss, an infraction that will, unless overturned, cost him $3,000.

"They've got people on the other team cursing at the same guy who kicked me out, and he's telling him, 'Calm down, just calm down.' " Bibby said. "And I say one word to him and he's going to kick me out the game?" Asked which Timberwolves player he was referring to, he said, "Who do you think?" The implied player was T-wolves forward Kevin Garnett, a renowned talker on the floor, not to mention a one-time MVP who was playing at home. "There's no way I should have been kicked out the game," he said. "I didn't curse at him. I just probably said five words to him. Nothing bad. It was sarcastic. "If you're going to start doing it to everybody, then do it to everybody. Don't pick the people you're going to do it to."

Bibby wasn't the only one frustrated with Garnett. In the third quarter, Garnett got tangled with Kings center Maurice Taylor, which led to Taylor's ejection. Taylor said he may inquire about protesting his ejection as well. "He had called me every (curse word) in the book, so I was just looking at the ref with my hands up ... looking dead at the ref, and he kicked me out," said Taylor, who played just seven minutes. "(Garnett) always talks like that, but you can only take so much."

[teebone]

Re: Ejections: What are your thoughts?

Via Sacramento Bee

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The Kings point guard doesn't like the NBA dress code that was installed before last season, though his surprise return from a thumb injury in Wednesday night's regular-season opener at Minnesota kept his suit-less streak alive at 83 games and counting. Bibby despises the new synthetic ball, much preferring the rawhide feel of the long-gone leather. Thursday, he added one to the list: the crackdown by officials on arguing and on-court antics. Bibby said he will likely protest his ejection that took place with 2:52 left in the fourth quarter of the Kings' loss, an infraction that will, unless overturned, cost him $3,000.

"They've got people on the other team cursing at the same guy who kicked me out, and he's telling him, 'Calm down, just calm down.' " Bibby said. "And I say one word to him and he's going to kick me out the game?" Asked which Timberwolves player he was referring to, he said, "Who do you think?" The implied player was T-wolves forward Kevin Garnett, a renowned talker on the floor, not to mention a one-time MVP who was playing at home. "There's no way I should have been kicked out the game," he said. "I didn't curse at him. I just probably said five words to him. Nothing bad. It was sarcastic. "If you're going to start doing it to everybody, then do it to everybody. Don't pick the people you're going to do it to."

Bibby wasn't the only one frustrated with Garnett. In the third quarter, Garnett got tangled with Kings center Maurice Taylor, which led to Taylor's ejection. Taylor said he may inquire about protesting his ejection as well. "He had called me every (curse word) in the book, so I was just looking at the ref with my hands up ... looking dead at the ref, and he kicked me out," said Taylor, who played just seven minutes. "(Garnett) always talks like that, but you can only take so much."

The moral of the story is, shut up and play.

[greenegt]

Re: Ejections: What are your thoughts?

I like the rule, overall. I think the league/refs will ease up on it a bit, as the season goes on. You shouldn't get a T for harmless reaction, like throwing your hands up. However, any hint of verbal abuse on the refs should be whistled.

[PlayaHataSupreme]

Re: Ejections: What are your thoughts?

The moral of the story is, shut up and play.

It seems like Mo Taylor was doing just that, though.

And the rule is trash if they are going to use double standards in exercising the rule.