***Official 2007 NBA Playoffs Discussion Thread***

[poster]

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The Pistons have won six straight Game 6's on the road during their run the last couple of years. That's impressive, and that kind of thing makes me proud as a fan. I wonder if anyone else has done somthing similar.

[Shaver]

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Ludicrous?

You do know they won 50 games right?

Here are a few losses...tell me that it's "ludicrous" that they couldn't win 5 of these:

Bobcats...Twice
New York...Twice
Atlanta (at home)
Seattle
Portland
Boston
N.O.
Philly

We couldn't get 5 of those? Yeah, they could have dropped a couple more along the way also...but bottom line, they should not have lost to so many absolute bottom feeders. CHI's only really crappy losses were to the Wolves twice, Sacto, Cats, Grizz, and Knicks. They largely handled their business.

Also, CLE had the 9th best road record in the league, 2nd best in the East. "Cant win on the road" isn't entirely accurate.

Strong at home (only 5 teams had better home record) and .500 on the road is decent, considering we've usually been a terrible away team.

How can you argue this "coulda woulda shoulda" BS with a straightface?? If you make the argument that they COULD HAVE won 5 of these games against bad teams.... how can you also not make the argument that they COULD HAVE lost 5 of the games that they played against other teams????

A team's record is EXACTLY where a team's record should be. It's black and white... there is no gray area.

[Court_vision]

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A team's record is EXACTLY where a team's record should be. It's black and white... there is no gray area.

I disagree. Records can be misleading. There can be grey area's.

It's reasonably easy to tell Macca's point. That being, the Cavs are a good team that 'slacked off' some nights against the lower teams. They won 50, but they had the ability to win 55-60. They played well against the good teams...but slept on some bad teams.

It's relevant because there's only good teams left. Their record shows that they consistently beat the good teams.

Conversely, if these guys accumulated 50 wins...by sweeping the season v The Knicks, Bobcats etc and always losing to the good teams...then you'd say that their record false in a bad way.

50 wins is 50 wins...but who they beat is highly relevant. Mac is saying that the Bulls largely won their easier games, whilst the Cavs won their games against tougher teams.

If you've ever followed horse racing, you'd know that two horses with identical records means SFA come race day. You look for the horse who's performed against the better horses.

They've got 'form' v the good teams. That's all that matters right now.

[poster]

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Joe D has to do whatever it takes to keep Chauncey. Looking at his line from last night he was 14-14 from the line with 0 turnovers against an aggressive tough defense. All that in a close out playoff game on the road. Always in control, loves crunch time, just awesome to watch him run this offense. One of my favorite players ever.

[Shaver]

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I disagree. Records can be misleading. There can be grey area's.

It's reasonably easy to tell Macca's point. That being, the Cavs are a good team that 'slacked off' some nights against the lower teams. They won 50, but they had the ability to win 55-60. They played well against the good teams...but slept on some bad teams.

It's relevant because there's only good teams left. Their record shows that they consistently beat the good teams.

Conversely, if these guys accumulated 50 wins...by sweeping the season v The Knicks, Bobcats etc and always losing to the good teams...then you'd say that their record false in a bad way.

50 wins is 50 wins...but who they beat is highly relevant. Mac is saying that the Bulls largely won their easier games, whilst the Cavs won their games against tougher teams.

If you've ever followed horse racing, you'd know that two horses with identical records means SFA come race day. You look for the horse who's performed against the better horses.

They've got 'form' v the good teams. That's all that matters right now.

No... no.... records are black and white. I didn't say that you can judge a team by it's record.... but a record IS black and white. It's the number of games you won vs those that you lost. There is no room for COULDA WON... because they can be exactly balanced with COULDA LOST... Yes... during the season you COULDA made that 40 footer at the buzzer for the win.... but you didn't.... On the same token.... you coulda missed that 40 footer that you made in the other game.... but you didn't....

Record is black and white.

[Court_vision]

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No... no.... records are black and white. I didn't say that you can judge a team by it's record.... but a record IS black and white. It's the number of games you won vs those that you lost. There is no room for COULDA WON... because they can be exactly balanced with COULDA LOST... Yes... during the season you COULDA made that 40 footer at the buzzer for the win.... but you didn't.... On the same token.... you coulda missed that 40 footer that you made in the other game.... but you didn't....

Record is black and white.

I don't think Macca is saying that mate. Well, he maybe got sidetracked into debating it...but his key point is they've beaten the good teams / slacked off against the poor one's.

If a team wins 3 from 5...and their record reads beat San Antonion on the road, beat Utah in Salt Lake city, beat Phoenix in Phoenix, lost to Portland and the Sonics.

You'd rate that 'stronger' form than a team that also has 3 from 5...but got blown out v San Antonio on the road, hammered by Detroit, but beat Charlotte twice and Atlanta once.

Both 3 from 5.

But one team odviously can raise it's game.

I'm pretty sure that's what Macca is getting at. That, sure, Cleveland and Chicago had the same record basically...but the Cavs won tougher games, won the harder games. Chicago took care of the easier teams.

Overall, that makes Clevelands form 'stronger'...and, in big games at least, gives them a better record than Chicago. Macca is saying they're a better team than Chicago for this reason.

If the Cavs make the ECF's and beat Detroit...he'll of been proven correct.

If they get taken out by Jersey...or get to the ECF's and lose 4-0 to Detroit...he'll have been proven to maybe overrating his team.

Should be a good series... and I'm already looking forward to Mac and the whole group of Pistons fans here going at it

[Snigitty James]

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No... no.... records are black and white. I didn't say that you can judge a team by it's record.... but a record IS black and white. It's the number of games you won vs those that you lost. There is no room for COULDA WON... because they can be exactly balanced with COULDA LOST... Yes... during the season you COULDA made that 40 footer at the buzzer for the win.... but you didn't.... On the same token.... you coulda missed that 40 footer that you made in the other game.... but you didn't....

Record is black and white.

Exactly right.

[EWRMETS]

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You're absolutely right. Going from flirting with the win record, to barely edging CLE in the East was a definite step backwards. Looking at the CHI series, and based on your own posts...DET is prone to over-confidence as well. CHI fights harder than both of our squads, and does it on a more consistent basis. Bottom line the Cavs could have been better, and so could the Pistons.

It's cool though...I'm pretty sure we won't see LeBron with only 4 shot attempts midway thorugh the 3rd quarter again. Local speculation is that he's kicking back so his buddy Jigga can rake in a little more playoff revenue.

We'll see how good N.J. is if/when Bron decides to ball for 48 minutes.

I hope you're kidding about the kicking back thing. Lebron has "kicked back" all season. The Nets are going to win tonight, and I'll be there to watch it. Before you get into arguments with Pistons fans, you better hope that the Cavs can even win this series.

[aa2ba]

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I hope you're kidding about the kicking back thing. Lebron has "kicked back" all season. The Nets are going to win tonight, and I'll be there to watch it. Before you get into arguments with Pistons fans, you better hope that the Cavs can even win this series.

It really doesn't matter...Detroit is going to roll (in no more than 6 games) to the NBA finals.

I don't need to type 3 paragraphs to prove my point because recent history is enough evidence. ie the way the 3 teams have played all season (esp. the playoffs).

[WTF]

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http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1175430725220650.xml&coll=2

Cavs reaction to the boo'ing from Game 5...

[Cebby]

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http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/plaind...650.xml&coll=2

Cavs reaction to the boo'ing from Game 5...

Maybe it's just me, but I personally think the Cavs' fans should break out in applause whenever they see Lebron. I mean, if he becomes unhappy and leaves, they would be the worst team in the NBA. I know he shrugged it off, but you can only do that so long.

[WTF]

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FINALLY...some off the ball movement. Posting Lebron... And moving the ball. Offense is looking pretty good thus far.

[trobinson97]

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Bron bron is looking like a man tonight, 14 first quarter points. He will not be denied.

[WTF]

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Scary moment on the RJ foul though...

At least they are all out hustling tonight. That's all I ask.

[HMcCoy]

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How can you argue this "coulda woulda shoulda" BS with a straightface?? If you make the argument that they COULD HAVE won 5 of these games against bad teams.... how can you also not make the argument that they COULD HAVE lost 5 of the games that they played against other teams????

A team's record is EXACTLY where a team's record should be. It's black and white... there is no gray area.

We couldn't get 5 of those? Yeah, they could have dropped a couple more along the way also...but bottom line, they should not have lost to so many absolute bottom feeders...

I think you missed this part...



@ Monk..Thanks, bro. Thats exacty what I'm talking about.

@ Will..Yep. Seeing the Cavs play with this much intensity just pisses me off even more. We should see this every night. Not to disrespect the Nets, but they are shorthanded. The Cavs should have swept.