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[asrabbit91]

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I don't understand why everyone is mad that we chose Tyrus over Lamarcus in the trade, I mean just look at Tyrus explosiveness. I hate how everyone compares him to Tyson, he didn't have anything near that explosive. Also how Charles says he hasn't developed a j, maybe last year, but this year he's show he can make it when he's open. He has double double career written all over him.

[CMH]

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While Tyrus has career double-double of what? 12 points, 10 rebounds? all over him, LeMarcus has 20+ppg talent with the ability to collect 7 rebounds.

[Bornindamecca]

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Cosign. Lamarcus is twice the talent the Tyrus Thomas is.

[bball_1523]

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I don't understand why everyone is mad that we chose Tyrus over Lamarcus in the trade, I mean just look at Tyrus explosiveness. I hate how everyone compares him to Tyson, he didn't have anything near that explosive. Also how Charles says he hasn't developed a j, maybe last year, but this year he's show he can make it when he's open. He has double double career written all over him.

The way I see it is that tyrus isn't consistent and Alridge is.

[Jerbear]

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I was too busy with my son to watch the Bulls game last night but I did turn it on with 5 minutes to go in the game. If the commentator wouldn't have said his name I wouldn't have known Deng was on the court in the last 5 minutes. He should be getting the ball every time down in crunch time IMO. Why the hell is Joe Smith shooting the ball with under a minute to go when you are only up 2?

[Dice]

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While Tyrus has career double-double of what? 12 points, 10 rebounds? all over him, LeMarcus has 20+ppg talent with the ability to collect 7 rebounds.

Com'on guys. Let's not start evaluating who's going to have the better career just yet. These guys have only been playing in the league for 2 years so how can someone make judgement on who's going to be better?

I'm not taking anything away from Aldridge. He's a good player and if it keeps up he's going to be an all-star BUT Thomas also has all-star potential. As much as you refuse to believe, there are some things that Thomas can do better than Aldridge. As far as rebounding, block shots and steals you get more of it from Thomas. Yeah, Aldridge is a more polished scorer but that's about it.

Let's just wait and see if Thomas can develop that J. If he does then your looking at a 20 point scorer. Shawn Kemp started the same way and he at one point became one of the best PF's in the league.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Com'on guys. Let's not start evaluating who's going to have the better career just yet. These guys have only been playing in the league for 2 years so how can someone make judgement on who's going to be better?

I'm not taking anything away from Aldridge. He's a good player and if it keeps up he's going to be an all-star BUT Thomas also has all-star potential. As much as you refuse to believe, there are some things that Thomas can do better than Aldridge. As far as rebounding, block shots and steals you get more of it from Thomas. Yeah, Aldridge is a more polished scorer but that's about it.

Let's just wait and see if Thomas can develop that J. If he does then your looking at a 20 point scorer. Shawn Kemp started the same way and he at one point became one of the best PF's in the league.

....... I was agreeing with everything you said until you made the Kemp reference. Just take that out of your post and I'm totally with you. Kemp was much more freakish than Ty Thomas from the day Kemp got into the league.

[Dice]

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....... I was agreeing with everything you said until you made the Kemp reference. Just take that out of your post and I'm totally with you. Kemp was much more freakish than Ty Thomas from the day Kemp got into the league.

So what is the difference between 1st-2nd year Shawn Kemp to current day Tyrus Thomas? Maybe 1 more inch of a verticle on Kemp? That's about it, which isn't much.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Didn't Kemp have impactful first seasons? I don't know maybe I give too much credit to players of yesteryear, or maybe it's just the burned in images of Kemp dunking on everyone and anyone.

[Dice]

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Didn't Kemp have impactful first seasons? I don't know maybe I give too much credit to players of yesteryear, or maybe it's just the burned in images of Kemp dunking on everyone and anyone.

About Kemp's 3rd season was when he started to make an impact. His first 2 years he was still raw.

[Bornindamecca]

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Kemp was much more agile and dexterous though. Aside from jumping very high, TT doesn't make a lot of "basketball moves". It looks like Noah has a better ball handle, TT doesn't have a working jumper and when he goes for rebounds he's relying too much on his athleticism and not enough on positioning. His shot blocks usually come from help and he doesn't have the kind of size that excuses his lack of agility.

He can improve like anyone can improve, but there are other aspects of his game and his personality that set of alarms. He's just not a very smart player right now, whereas Aldrige already has the building blocks to become an all star in this leage.

[CMH]

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Com'on guys. Let's not start evaluating who's going to have the better career just yet. These guys have only been playing in the league for 2 years so how can someone make judgement on who's going to be better?

I'm not taking anything away from Aldridge. He's a good player and if it keeps up he's going to be an all-star BUT Thomas also has all-star potential. As much as you refuse to believe, there are some things that Thomas can do better than Aldridge. As far as rebounding, block shots and steals you get more of it from Thomas. Yeah, Aldridge is a more polished scorer but that's about it.

Let's just wait and see if Thomas can develop that J. If he does then your looking at a 20 point scorer. Shawn Kemp started the same way and he at one point became one of the best PF's in the league.

Evaluating talent is what everyone does from fans to GMs.

I'm looking at the talent and making my evaluation based on what I've seen, what other players of similar skill sets have shown, and what I believe that will turn into.

How else could you discuss who you think the better of the two is if you can't compare the two and make predictions on their future?

[Dice]

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Kemp was much more agile and dexterous though. Aside from jumping very high, TT doesn't make a lot of "basketball moves". It looks like Noah has a better ball handle, TT doesn't have a working jumper and when he goes for rebounds he's relying too much on his athleticism and not enough on positioning. His shot blocks usually come from help and he doesn't have the kind of size that excuses his lack of agility.

He can improve like anyone can improve, but there are other aspects of his game and his personality that set of alarms. He's just not a very smart player right now, whereas Aldrige already has the building blocks to become an all star in this leage.

Don't know if you saw the game last night but he made a quick first step move on Wallace and beat him to the rim with an amazing behind the head shot. Now the shot was kind of lucky but the first step move he did on Wallace showed that he has the capability to make a move. He may not be a traditional post player like Aldridge but there are other ways to score. Using your quickness is an asset that can be used. Remember, Kemp in his prime would score in the post using his quickness. He never bullied people in the post he'd just go right around you if you weren't ready. Thomas can be that type of player.

As as far as his rebounding, he's gonna learn positioning. Trust me. Last night it was too easy for him because as good of a game Rasheed Wallace had offensively, he for some reason just refused to box out Thomas on his offensive rebounds. You can't blame Thomas for not taking advantage of Wallace's laziness on the boards last night. Which is strange because Wallace normally is a good rebounder. What made Wallace not want to box out on a guy who is smaller than him is anybodies guess.

[Dice]

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Evaluating talent is what everyone does from fans to GMs.

I'm looking at the talent and making my evaluation based on what I've seen, what other players of similar skill sets have shown, and what I believe that will turn into.

How else could you discuss who you think the better of the two is if you can't compare the two and make predictions on their future?

I'm not talking about evaluating talent...but evaluating career's. To determine that he will average 12 ppg through out his career is based on what? because he's currently averaging 5 ppg right now for his career? That can be a misleading stat because he didn't get much time last season. Also, how many players do you know that average less than 10 ppg in their first year and then busted out afterwords. I can name you a couple:
Kevin Johnson
Tracy McGrady
Jermaine O'Neal
Kobe Bryant
Shawn Kemp
I can go on and on with these players. And all of these players have one thing in common...they didn't get much playing time in their first season. 13.4 minutes per game isn't a lot of time to do much unless your a legendary player like Jordan, Bird or Magic.

[CMH]

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I'm not talking about evaluating talent...but evaluating career's. To determine that he will average 12 ppg through out his career is based on what? because he's currently averaging 5 ppg right now for his career? That can be a misleading stat because he didn't get much time last season. Also, how many players do you know that average less than 10 ppg in their first year and then busted out afterwords. I can name you a couple:
Kevin Johnson
Tracy McGrady
Jermaine O'Neal
Kobe Bryant
Shawn Kemp
I can go on and on with these players. And all of these players have one thing in common...they didn't get much playing time in their first season. 13.4 minutes per game isn't a lot of time to do much unless your a legendary player like Jordan, Bird or Magic.

I'm not basing it on his previous numbers. I'm basing it on what I see, what players of similar skill sets have shown, and what I think will come of that.

Players like McGrady, J. O'Neal, Bryant had far better skill sets than Tyrus Thomas. Shawn Kemp showcased an ability to dribble the basketball and create for himself early in his career.

Kevin Johnson is a point guard that was asked to do different things so I see no reason to even compare him to Thomas.