Re: Larry Bird best SF of all time?
Nice vid.....shows a good example of my prior post of where a guy plays out of position as part of a coaching decision from time to time to benefit the team. 6'6 vs 6'9" is not better than 6'1" vs 6'9"? His time with the Wiz, was the first time PG was mentioned as a permanent position for him.
Everyone on here has to agree to disagree since personal opinions are just that. I too watched his entire career. (pro anyways) as I lived in Chicago from 89 on, Michigan before that. I tend not to question too much of his judgement...here and there, sure.....but a lot? nope. Hard to question the judgement of someone who won six titles and is viewed by his peers as the best.
Seriously doubt thoug that the ONLY reason the opposition calls him the GOAT is mind games. However though, if you have your opponent beat prior to playing you have a huge advantage. It is all about confidence leading to ability which goes back to confidence.
Who in your opinion is the GOAT then? I know it is going to be argued til the end of time as it is not really an official title.....just curious? But if you are indeed the GWOAT, as you put it........isn't the end all, be all - to win? To me - peer voting, peer opinion is what has the biggest impact. The guys who played with, against, or came before or after him. Honestly, to me there is a great handful of guys - I simply put MJ a bit above them as I watched him play day-in/day out.
There are a LOT of "what if's" in the history of the league that could, or would have changed the outcome of a lot of stuff we saw, read about, and still watch. It is what it is, it happened, and it is history. What if Kareem wasnt traded? What if 'Nique knew how to pass? What if Bird's back never went bad? What if Magic and Bird went to the other's team in the draft? etc....it is endless.........Far too much to wonder stuff regarding coaches.
As for the ball-sack comment? Not really justified and to me, but it says a lot as to why the arguements are there as it is typically where these things go when one person runs out of ammo (that, or f/u). Standing by your opinion does not suggest that is a persons stance. To each his own.
as for your gambling claim.........find me the proof and I will listen.
Lets just agree to disagree.
Jordan could of easily averaged 8-10+ assists (maybe even more?)
and scoring 20+ or 30+ points per game at the PG position.
Not to mention having the advantage of play calling, and
should the play break down the ball is already in Jordan's
hands so whats the worse that could of happened?
I'm not a Jordan *****, my mouth just so happens to be
far away from the guys ball-sack. Can't a guy be entitled
to his own oppinion without being called a *****?
Some people say Larry is overrated, some say Kobe is;
I'm one of the few that isn't saying Jordan is overrated
but "overglorified". Know what I'm saying? The guy was amazing;
but he wasn't in any way the GOAT.
Jordan to me is a GWOAT, Greatest winner of all time.
BTW Jordan was NOT asked to play PG for the first
time in Washington, when Doug Collins was coach
he put MJ at the PG to get under Magic Johnson's
skin and it worked. Actually alot better than anyone
ever anticipated.
The only reason other players call Jordan the GOAT
is because Jordan put that in their minds everytime
he played against them, Jordan's game was all
psychological thats something people don't get.
As for the guys who never played with him, when
you hear Larry and Magic call him GOAT too you
nod along and take their word for it.
Jordan accomplished alot in his career, but to a
guy like me who watched Mike play from start to
finish you question alot of his judgement.
What if no Phil Jackson and Tex Winter come along,
that means no triangle offense. Would he of won 6
rings being the same old Jordan without the triangle?
I dunno man, but what I do know is had he never
stepped down from PG rest assured this question
wouldn't exist nor the doubt in my mind.
Jordan could of easily averaged 8-10+ assists (maybe even more?)
and scoring 20+ or 30+ points per game at the PG position.
Not to mention having the advantage of play calling, and
should the play break down the ball is already in Jordan's
hands so whats the worse that could of happened?
I'm not a Jordan *****, my mouth just so happens to be
far away from the guys ball-sack. Can't a guy be entitled
to his own oppinion without being called a *****?
Some people say Larry is overrated, some say Kobe is;
I'm one of the few that isn't saying Jordan is overrated
but "overglorified". Know what I'm saying? The guy was amazing;
but he wasn't in any way the GOAT.
Jordan to me is a GWOAT, Greatest winner of all time.
BTW Jordan was NOT asked to play PG for the first
time in Washington, when Doug Collins was coach
he put MJ at the PG to get under Magic Johnson's
skin and it worked. Actually alot better than anyone
ever anticipated.
The only reason other players call Jordan the GOAT
is because Jordan put that in their minds everytime
he played against them, Jordan's game was all
psychological thats something people don't get.
As for the guys who never played with him, when
you hear Larry and Magic call him GOAT too you
nod along and take their word for it.
Jordan accomplished alot in his career, but to a
guy like me who watched Mike play from start to
finish you question alot of his judgement.
What if no Phil Jackson and Tex Winter come along,
that means no triangle offense. Would he of won 6
rings being the same old Jordan without the triangle?
I dunno man, but what I do know is had he never
stepped down from PG rest assured this question
wouldn't exist nor the doubt in my mind.
Everyone on here has to agree to disagree since personal opinions are just that. I too watched his entire career. (pro anyways) as I lived in Chicago from 89 on, Michigan before that. I tend not to question too much of his judgement...here and there, sure.....but a lot? nope. Hard to question the judgement of someone who won six titles and is viewed by his peers as the best.
Seriously doubt thoug that the ONLY reason the opposition calls him the GOAT is mind games. However though, if you have your opponent beat prior to playing you have a huge advantage. It is all about confidence leading to ability which goes back to confidence.
Who in your opinion is the GOAT then? I know it is going to be argued til the end of time as it is not really an official title.....just curious? But if you are indeed the GWOAT, as you put it........isn't the end all, be all - to win? To me - peer voting, peer opinion is what has the biggest impact. The guys who played with, against, or came before or after him. Honestly, to me there is a great handful of guys - I simply put MJ a bit above them as I watched him play day-in/day out.
There are a LOT of "what if's" in the history of the league that could, or would have changed the outcome of a lot of stuff we saw, read about, and still watch. It is what it is, it happened, and it is history. What if Kareem wasnt traded? What if 'Nique knew how to pass? What if Bird's back never went bad? What if Magic and Bird went to the other's team in the draft? etc....it is endless.........Far too much to wonder stuff regarding coaches.
As for the ball-sack comment? Not really justified and to me, but it says a lot as to why the arguements are there as it is typically where these things go when one person runs out of ammo (that, or f/u). Standing by your opinion does not suggest that is a persons stance. To each his own.
as for your gambling claim.........find me the proof and I will listen.
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