Tmac Half-hearted?

[Court_vision]

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For the first 44 minutes anyway...

To be fair Mac...KG is not a closer. He's a guy to "Get you there".

His problem is that he's always had to get a team there and close.

Look at Shaq...he's never had to close out games. He's had Kobe and D-Wade close out championship games. He's had Fisher and Big Shot Bob nailing game winners galore...Shaq has never had to carry a team from the 44th to the 48th.

KG with Kobe or D-Wade etc = Shaq. We'd be talking about KG and his three or four rings.

He's not a closer...but not many 'bigs' are.

Even Duncan calls Ginobili the Spurs "get it done" man at the end of a game.

[HMcCoy]

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To be fair Mac...KG is not a closer. He's a guy to "Get you there".

His problem is that he's always had to get a team there and close.

Look at Shaq...he's never had to close out games. He's had Kobe and D-Wade close out championship games. He's had Fisher and Big Shot Bob nailing game winners galore...Shaq has never had to carry a team from the 44th to the 48th.

KG with Kobe or D-Wade etc = Shaq. We'd be talking about KG and his three or four rings.

He's not a closer...but not many 'bigs' are.

Even Duncan calls Ginobili the Spurs "get it done" man at the end of a game.

True.

[bigeastbumrush]

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"They should call Tracy, 'half-man, half a season"

[Kashanova]

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imo i think the rox should try to get d miles as a 3rd option

[jfsolo]

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The plus side of playing in today's era of NBA basketball is obviously the obscene amount of money that players can and do get. However expectations come along with those 7 and 8 figure contracts. I think a lot of today's players, because of hype, the cap and the accompanying mindset of getting max contracts, are having to do too much and take on roles that they aren't really suited for.

I think of T-Mac as a player who probably would have been great in the "James Worthy" role. A player with Superstar(Hall of Fame) talent, who gets to lay in the cut, play 3rd fiddle, take over games or series' occasionally, win some chips, all without ever having to deal with the burden of leadership or the glare of the spotlight that comes with being THE MAN.

I think Tracy, Vince, Dirk, KG, and lot of others share the same set of circumstances.

[Rocky]

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They look good around Yao. I honestly think the Rockets are better off trading T-Mac for some more solid players and maybe a young scorer.

[23]

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They look good around Yao. I honestly think the Rockets are better off trading T-Mac for some more solid players and maybe a young scorer.

They also looked good around Tmac when Yao was injured last year and they went and won 52 games.


See that's the thing, the stagnant offense CV speaks of was the Jeff Van Gundy ball that they were used to.

They were 6-1 at the seasons beginning and this is the way they played, but once they all started sucking and not making shots, Adelman went to what they were comfortable with , calling iso's for Tmac and the same detestable Van Gundy pick and rolls.

You can check the past Chronicle articles to see for yourself that they were all stinking it up. None of them could hit jumpers, Shane, Luther, Mike James, none of them. They provided plenty of quotes about working on their shots and so on.

Anyhow, now they are more comfortable with Ricks offense, yes they are hitting their shots now, and its about time because they arent living up to the expectations.

[23]

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The Rockets have really shared the ball during this stretch without Mac.

Guys who...according to these forums..."can't shoot", are suddenly scoring.

I wonder why? Maybe it has to do with the fact that they are comfortable getting their shots. Not just standing on the 3 point line, waiting for Mac to run around like a headless chook and then "kick it out" to them with 3 seconds left on the shot clock.[/QUOTE]

Well, you were almost right, but you arent.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5352523.html

"I think we're having some growing pains as a team offensively," Battier, 6-8, said. "I don't think it's isolated with just me. Guys are looking to see where their games fit in and just find the consistency we can count on every single night. That's knowing where the looks are going to come from.

"That's part of the beauty of this offense. It is going to be different every night. It's not set. As a result, we haven't shot well as a team, and I haven't shot well individually."

When they brick that shot...sometimes their only shot for the entire quarter...all the Mac guys here come out with "it's his team mates".

Wrong again, remember they went from a structured offense, to a freedom offense, and they weren't comfortable. Everyone was shooting below their season average, and it wasn't because of last second shots.
The Rockets took 51% of their shots with between 11-21 seconds left on the clock.

Suddenly guys are getting assists...the ball is going to Yao at the right time...and the Rocks are playing like a tem.

Yes, you can thank Rick Adelman, a coach who knows what offense means, unlike Jeff Van Gundy.

I like Tracy...but he's given way, way too much praise here. People have him down as an MVP / Kobe / LBJ level player and he just isn't that.

Nobody is praising Tmac here, but you seem to try to find ways to make yourself believe it so you can discount it.

I don't think he's a leader, a #1 option and he should've went to college, but don't lie to yourself and say a 26/5/6 player who had an even greater game before back injuries has never been on the elite wing level.

He needs to come back to this team and be their "X" factor...not their main factor. He needs to score 25 a night within the flow of the offense. Be a part of this team.

Right, like he was doing at the beginning of the season, that's the coach's job.

No more "off balance 3's when you're shooting 1-7 from downtown and you've got a 7'6 guy in the middle and a guy unguarded in the corner pocket".

I agree, the heat check 3's are ridiculous, but Yao is always fronted by the defense, and doubled, he's never unguarded. Stop reading those Chinese homer sites.

Team ball...

But you're blaming one guy for the teams woes? hahaha

[Court_vision]

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I'm not blaming the team's woes all on one guy...just that Mac needs to fit into Adelman's system.

He doesn't do that at the moment. Ironically, for better or worse, Mac was / is the perfect Van Gundy guy.

Van Gundy loves Iso's...and Mac's style is Iso type ball.

Mac could carry the ball up as slow as he liked under JVG...pick his spot...and do what he liked.

Adelmans style needs ball movement or it simply doesn't work.

Whether Mac and Adelmans styles can co-exist...who knows. The Rockets season depends on it though.

[Vince]

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I'm not blaming the team's woes all on one guy...just that Mac needs to fit into Adelman's system.

He doesn't do that at the moment. Ironically, for better or worse, Mac was / is the perfect Van Gundy guy.

Van Gundy loves Iso's...and Mac's style is Iso type ball.

Mac could carry the ball up as slow as he liked under JVG...pick his spot...and do what he liked.

Adelmans style needs ball movement or it simply doesn't work.

Whether Mac and Adelmans styles can co-exist...who knows. The Rockets season depends on it though.

Trade him to Sacto for a packing that features Bibby.

K-Mart and T-Mac would be an amazing duo. Beno is playing sick ball right now. The Kings can go small with Artest at the 4.

[Muzyk23]

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No one has as much heart as KG. No one.

Allen Iverson

[Vince]

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Allen Iverson

Tawanna?

[Dice]

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I'm not blaming the team's woes all on one guy...just that Mac needs to fit into Adelman's system.

He doesn't do that at the moment. Ironically, for better or worse, Mac was / is the perfect Van Gundy guy.

Van Gundy loves Iso's...and Mac's style is Iso type ball.

Mac could carry the ball up as slow as he liked under JVG...pick his spot...and do what he liked.

Adelmans style needs ball movement or it simply doesn't work.

Whether Mac and Adelmans styles can co-exist...who knows. The Rockets season depends on it though.

I don't know why people here think that Rick Adelman can run an effective half court offense when his coaching style has been 'run-and-gun' for years. I've watched him his whole coaching career and he's nothing more than a 'playground' style coach. Throw the ball on the floor and watch the players play. Adelman has been gifted with good teams with skilled offensive players going as back to the early 90's with his Blazer teams up to the early 2000 with his Kings teams.

The Blazer teams he coached were nothing more than just a 'fun-and-gun' team. Get the rebound and race down the court. The halfcourt game was limited. Either iso Drexler or get it to Duckworth in the post. That's it. Back then, the Blazers on paper looked strong, but when teams make them play a half court game(1990 Pistons, 1991 Lakers, 1992 Bulls) then it's easy to stop them. Adelman had no half court structure in his offense.

Take a look at his recent stint with the Kings. Same type of team with MAYBE a little structure in the half court. BUT when I watched those teams it reminded me of the early 90's Blazer teams. Their half court offense was simply either get the ball to Chris Webber or pick-and-roll with no variation. Same run-and-gun style.

Now I'm not sure if he's trying to run some sort of half court offense in Houston BUT I'm letting you know that it's not his style. The one other time Adelman tried to run a half court offense was with his short stint in Golden State. Which to me was terrible because he tried to execute a half court style system to a team build to run. If anyone could remember, during that stint he benched Tim Hardaway in favor of B.J. Armstrong.

Maybe McGrady might need more iso's under Adelman style because that what he did with Drexler in Portland.

[Muzyk23]

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Tawanna?

You simply don't understand what AI is about..go and watch your PF playing like Tawanna

[Vince]

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You simply don't understand what AI is about..go and watch your PF playing like Tawanna

I like A.I. moreso than before. He was STRICKLY a volume scorer before. But now he's a leading scorer and doing it at a very solid rate and has increased his efficiency. His stamina is amazing. A.I. is defintily a superstar and a guy who has a lot of heart.

I'm just messing with ya.