Kidd back to the Mavs

[SpacemanSpiff]

Re: Kidd back to the Mavs

Well, I already acknowledged the scoring part of Kidd is pretty much irrelevant, that's not what he's gonna be there for. But I felt I had to point out that Kidd is not a better "scorer" in any definition of the word than Harris. I know he is better offensively because of his playmaking ability but his 36 % shooting percentage means that he should never be called a better scorer than Harris for this year.

[Briman123]

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Nope I don't think he will. Do you even watch the Mavs play?

In all honesty you don't think for a second they won't atleast tweak there offensive style when going all in for guy who has been a top PG in the league for some time? Jason Kidd/Dirk/Josh Howard combo will be very good, Dirk will get open shots, Josh Howard will benefit on the fastbreak, I see this working out.

[DueceDiggla]

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Ok, so we all agree that Kidd is going to bring leadership and playmaking. And at this point is a better fir for Dallas than Harris. But how does that help when they met players like Shaq and Amare, Yao, Gasol and Bynum, Duncan, etc.......

I understand the Mavs are in win now mode so trading for a 35 yr old PG makes sense. But they have ALOT of problems with their front court. Elite big men (and there are alot of them in the West) will have their way in paint.

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Re: Kidd back to the Mavs

Ok, so we all agree that Kidd is going to bring leadership and playmaking. And at this point is a better fir for Dallas than Harris. But how does that help when they met players like Shaq and Amare, Yao, Gasol and Bynum, Duncan, etc.......

I understand the Mavs are in win now mode so trading for a 35 yr old PG makes sense. But they have ALOT of problems with their front court. Elite big men (and there are alot of them in the West) will have their way in paint.

I already say every year I don't like Dirk for the fact that he has no post up game. He's the best and biggest guy on that team and he's a freaking jumpshooter.

[Briman123]

Re: Kidd back to the Mavs

Ok, so we all agree that Kidd is going to bring leadership and playmaking. And at this point is a better fir for Dallas than Harris. But how does that help when they met players like Shaq and Amare, Yao, Gasol and Bynum, Duncan, etc.......

I understand the Mavs are in win now mode so trading for a 35 yr old PG makes sense. But they have ALOT of problems with their front court. Elite big men (and there are alot of them in the West) will have their way in paint.

I guess you underestimate Erick Dampier's Defensive abilities. He's been capable in the past of slowing down a low post threats. And also depends on how Dirk plays, he's gotten by Tim Duncan/Amare/Gasol in the past (2006 playoffs for Gasol/Duncan)

[Stumbleweed]

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Losing Diop will kill them, though I did hear rumblings that they would try to get Kurt Thomas (heh @ Phoenix) to solidify their frontcourt... Losing Diop will be a huge blow if they can't get a decent backup. Bass is good, but he's not big enough or a good enough defender to really conrtol the elite bigs. Dampier is solid but he's been a little banged-up this year and can't handle more than 25 or so minutes without some foul trouble/fatigue.

But yeah, like the Shaq trade, I just don't think this move makes them that much better overall (if at all). And I certainly don't think that it equals the Gasol trade in terms of overall improvement/scariness. The Mavs will still get beasted upon in the inside, and Shaq still can't defend Tim Duncan, but their payrolls just got a lot crappier!

[RAZRr1275]

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Do you guys think that the nets will keep ager and van horn on their active roster and play them?

[Briman123]

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Keith Van Horn isn't retired here's an article explaining some of the situation.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3250819

Van Horn is eligible to be signed and traded by the Mavericks because he never filed his retirement papers and because the Mavericks haven't renounced his rights.

Also

Dallas would have to release one player -- likely rookie forward Nick Fazekas -- to make roster room for signing Van Horn to a three-year contract, with only the first year guaranteed. The Mavericks, upon acquiring Kidd, are then expected to complete a separate deal with the Nets in which the Mavs acquire Antoine Wright for a future second-round draft pick.

[Freelance]

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Losing Diop doesn't hurt if you've watched him play this year. However, they will need 6 fouls, so there will be another deal most likely for that purpose.

[Briman123]

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Losing Diop doesn't hurt if you've watched him play this year. However, they will need 6 fouls, so there will be another deal most likely for that purpose.

Antoine Wright?

[ZB9]

Re: Kidd back to the Mavs

Losing Diop doesn't hurt if you've watched him play this year. However, they will need 6 fouls, so there will be another deal most likely for that purpose.

they are getting Malik Allen in the deal. I imagine they will use him as a backup center.

but i agree. I bet they sign another big man.

EDIT: doing some research on Malik Allen, he is certainly not a post player. Dallas will need to sign another big man. Perhaps they already have someone in mind. There are some possibilities out there.

[Flyboy]

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Antoine Wright?

Wright is a 2, though.

[Briman123]

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Wright is a 2, though.

I know that, I got confused because the person just said go out and get 6 fouls never mentioning about centers, I guess Malik Allen can do that but yeah another Bigman could help.

[nogster]

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You've obviously never seen the Mavs play, the run an isolation offense, so there's not as much ball movement and the player usually ends up creating his own shot, therefore no assists. LOL get back to me when you actually know something about basketball.

have u ever thought why they predominantly played with an ISO offense?
because they havent had a pure playmaker to run plays and sets effeciently since nash left.
so avery has had no choice but to play his team a certain way.
now they have kidd, this will change..
u dont think that avery johnson, once a pure pg himself, wont be stoked to have kidd running his offense. and making things come easier for his scorers?

[Venom_2K]

Re: Kidd back to the Mavs

I told you all that Kidd would end up be traded to the Mavs.