Felt Bad for Manu

[DC]

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But can somebody tell me who said Manu was top 20 sg all time

[Kashanova]

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But can somebody tell me who said Manu was top 20 sg all time

i think it was xcell ive seen alot of riduclous posts in my life time but that one almost layed me out cold

[Kashanova]

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Wow, you REALLY don't read what other people post. I've clearly said Ginobili flops (which is a bad thing, remember). But yeah, everything I post is pro-Ginobili. BTW, I'm a basketball lover. If someone is a great player I acknowledge it. It doesn't matter if I can't stand the guy. A great player is a great player. Unfortunately the same cannot be said of you.

First you say he hasn't done anything and then we point out all of the individual awards and championships he's won throughout his career and then you respond with "he did all of that in the Euroleague". You say the only smart thing about him is that he picked the right team. Again, look at how many championships he's won. He must be the BEST at picking which team he plays for b/c everywhere he plays he wins.

BTW, I guess every NBA head coach, analyst, and every NBA player I've heard is just a Ginobili lover. Because, I've never heard any of them refer to Ginobili as anything but a great player. But yeah, the guy who can't even spell <b>Ginobili</b> (or ridiculous) is probably right.



Again, READ my ENTIRE post. I said find me another second option, "sidekick" who comes off the bench and leads his team in scoring. You're right Gordon does come off the bench and lead the Bulls in scoring but he is hardly their second option. Last year, Gordon took more shots than both Deng and Hinrich. This year is no different, he's taken more shots than both of them. In contrast, Ginobili has taken less shots than Duncan and still leads them in scoring. But good try though.



Once again, if Ginobili has just been part of the "Tim Duncan ride" how did Ginobili end up <b>1</b> vote shy of the 2005 Finals MVP. So without Ginobili, Duncan doesn't win the 2005 Championship and most likely doesn't make it to last years championship. Again, Ginobili has won 5 titles and a gold medal without Tim Duncan.

The fact that you refer to Ginobili as "Flopoli" just shows the amount of blinding hate you have for him. Meanwhile all I've done is point out the obvious to you: Ginobili is a great player. While I and others have shown you fact after fact of how he is a great player, your only response is that he's not great, he doesn't have individual accolades in the NBA, and he's nothing without Tim Duncan. If you were to come out and say that Nash isn't a great player or Chris Paul, or anyone else who is also a great player I would've defended them just as hard. I can appreciate great players whether I like them or not. It is clear that you can't.

Now, <b>I'm done with you.</b>

the difference between flopli boy and paul and nash is those guys prove why their great in the nba where the talent is best not the euroleague or anything else. Gino is a very good player, but the word great should be use for people who are exactly that 14 career ppg is not great, 20 flat is not great, anything gino has done has not been great, TD would still have the chips with out gino, they'd win in 2003, and in 2007

and since when does gino have 5 titles? dont come with that euroleague crap who the hell cares about the euroleague, gino is vastly overrated he's a good player certainly not great, you have not shown me anything that makes gino great, hes a career 14 ppg player, hes good great is lebron james, great is kobe bryant, great is michael jordan, great is wilt, great is TD, Great is garnett i hear those names and ginobli does not fit in those names, your gonna tell me when you say those names that ginobli belongs? is gino a HOF? come on now, gino doesnt belong in the same sentence with those great players

[minoba82]

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the difference between flopli boy and paul and nash is those guys prove why their great in the nba where the talent is best not the euroleague or anything else. Gino is a very good player, but the word great should be use for people who are exactly that 14 career ppg is not great, 20 flat is not great, anything gino has done has not been great, TD would still have the chips with out gino, they'd win in 2003, and in 2007

and since when does gino have 5 titles? dont come with that euroleague crap who the hell cares about the euroleague, gino is vastly overrated he's a good player certainly not great, you have not shown me anything that makes gino great, hes a career 14 ppg player, hes good great is lebron james, great is kobe bryant, great is michael jordan, great is wilt, great is TD, Great is garnett i hear those names and ginobli does not fit in those names, your gonna tell me when you say those names that ginobli belongs? is gino a HOF? come on now, gino doesnt belong in the same sentence with those great players

Hah...this is funny. So b/c he has a career average of 14ppg or even if he had a career avg of 20ppg he wouldn't, couldn't be great? It's not all about scoring, you do realize that right? Here are some numbers for you:

18.2ppg - 4.1rpg - 3.5apg - 1.55spg
14.1ppg - 3.9rpg - 5.0apg - 1.34spg
14.7ppg - 4.0rpg - 3.6apg - 1.55spg (Ginobili)

I don't know about you but these stats look pretty similar to me.

I'm glad you mentioned the HOF. As a matter of fact with all of Ginobili's accomplishments internationally and in the NBA, and the fact that he is the <b>ONLY</b> player in basketball history to win the <b>Euroleague</b>, an <b>Olympic gold medal</b>, and an <b>NBA Championship</b>; YES I do believe when his career is over he will be in the HOF. It's called the "Basketball Hall Of Fame". That means great players, coaches, and others associated with the game of basketball (not just the NBA) who are in the HOF.

Here's a link for you: http://www.hoophall.com/genrel/021508aaa.html

Now scroll down and look at the list of 2008 HOF Nominees. You'll notice Chris Mullin and Dennis Johnson. Those numbers that I pointed out to you earlier belong to Mullin and Johnson respectively. So using the argument that Ginobili's numbers aren't great doesn't work here. Yes, Mullin and Johnson have more individual accolades, I'm not arguing this. The reason I bring them up is b/c you consistently make stupid arguments like "14ppg or even 20ppg isn't great". It's not always about the numbers (specifically scoring). BTW, Ginobili's career isn't over. I can see him making an All-NBA team or 2.

and since when does gino have 5 titles? dont come with that euroleague crap who the hell cares about the euroleague

The Basketball Hall Of Fame cares and that's why when his career is over, Ginobili will be in the HOF.

[nogster]

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hey, ginobli has a great chance to be one of the top 20 SGs of all time, he already has the titles and accolades, and he is still reaching his peak. he still has many years of nba basketball to go.
i have little doubt, when his career is over, he will be a HOF. and remembered as a basketball great.
im not a ginobli lover..i am a basketball lover, the guy is a flat out baller.
lets see what he does in this years playoffs.....imo, he is poised for a big one. he is known for stepping up for the big games, look at his playoff avgs to season, so its a pretty safe bet, that his 20ppg season production will see a rise...
cant wait for the playoffs....this season is going to be sick.

[Kashanova]

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Hah...this is funny. So b/c he has a career average of 14ppg or even if he had a career avg of 20ppg he wouldn't, couldn't be great? It's not all about scoring, you do realize that right? Here are some numbers for you:

18.2ppg - 4.1rpg - 3.5apg - 1.55spg
14.1ppg - 3.9rpg - 5.0apg - 1.34spg
14.7ppg - 4.0rpg - 3.6apg - 1.55spg (Ginobili)

I don't know about you but these stats look pretty similar to me.

I'm glad you mentioned the HOF. As a matter of fact with all of Ginobili's accomplishments internationally and in the NBA, and the fact that he is the <b>ONLY</b> player in basketball history to win the <b>Euroleague</b>, an <b>Olympic gold medal</b>, and an <b>NBA Championship</b>; YES I do believe when his career is over he will be in the HOF. It's called the "Basketball Hall Of Fame". That means great players, coaches, and others associated with the game of basketball (not just the NBA) who are in the HOF.

Here's a link for you: http://www.hoophall.com/genrel/021508aaa.html

Now scroll down and look at the list of 2008 HOF Nominees. You'll notice Chris Mullin and Dennis Johnson. Those numbers that I pointed out to you earlier belong to Mullin and Johnson respectively. So using the argument that Ginobili's numbers aren't great doesn't work here. Yes, Mullin and Johnson have more individual accolades, I'm not arguing this. The reason I bring them up is b/c you consistently make stupid arguments like "14ppg or even 20ppg isn't great". It's not always about the numbers (specifically scoring). BTW, Ginobili's career isn't over. I can see him making an All-NBA team or 2.



The Basketball Hall Of Fame cares and that's why when his career is over, Ginobili will be in the HOF.

once again you bring up hes the only one with nba chip, euroleague chip, and a gold medal. like who the hell cares tell me how many people have been on olympic teams for the usa and in euroleague and in the nba i bet its not much, so bringing that up means nothing. and gino in the hall how many euroleague players are in the hall of fame just cause im curious to know the number, also gino will be 31 soon i just dont see him being able to be productive any longer so i dont think hes gonna get any all nba anythings

[DC]

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i think it was xcell ive seen alot of riduclous posts in my life time but that one almost layed me out cold

LOL I expect that from him.

[DC]

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That list that has Ginobili as the 17th greatest SG of all time or somethin... has it right.

So name everyone a head of him please

[X*Cell]

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But can somebody tell me who said Manu was top 20 sg all time

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailyd...me-GreatestSGs

#19.

so put your foot in your mouth.

[minoba82]

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once again you bring up hes the only one with nba chip, euroleague chip, and a gold medal. like who the hell cares tell me how many people have been on olympic teams for the usa and in euroleague and in the nba i bet its not much, so bringing that up means nothing.

The reason why you can't find more players who've had the opportunity to do this is b/c it's that difficult to do. There have been a number of great foreign players in this league and none of them were able to do what Ginobili has done both internationlly and in the NBA. Just b/c not many players have been in all of those leagues doesn't make it meaningless. No one has ever won both the dunk contest and 3pt contest, but if someone comes a long and wins both, does it mean nothing b/c not many guys are great enough at both events to compete in both events? Or how about Deion Sanders. He's the only man to play in a Super Bowl and a World Series. Does this mean nothing given the fact that not too many players have played in both the NFL and MLB? Or how about Larry Bird and Craig Hodges being the only players to ever win the 3pt contest 3 years in a row? Does that mean nothing b/c there probably aren't a lot of players who compete in it 3 yrs in a row?

and gino in the hall how many euroleague players are in the hall of fame just cause im curious to know the number, also gino will be 31 soon i just dont see him being able to be productive any longer so i dont think hes gonna get any all nba anythings

Honestly, I don't know how many foreigners are in the HOF and I don't feel like counting. But given the fact that he's been extremely successful internationally and has 3 NBA championships, I do believe he will make the HOF when his career is over.

As far as him being 31, it doesn't mean he won't continue to play productively. Nash was 30 when he won his first MVP and 31 when he won the 2nd. He's currently 34 and his numbers now are almost exactly the same as the 2 years he won the MVP. Kidd was 34 last year when he averaged a triple double in the playoffs. Iverson is 32 and is still very productive. He's not scoring 30 ppg anymore, but he's also playing with Carmelo now. So Ginobili being 31 in no way means that he can't and won't continue to play great basketball. BTW, the way he's playing this season, he could very well make one of the All-NBA teams this year.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Certain people need to come up with better argument strategies than the "well IF this or that". **** if's. The what if's are the only way certain people know how to debate.

[DC]

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailyd...me-GreatestSGs

#19.

so put your foot in your mouth.

[J_Posse]

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Man, I didn't want to enter this thread cause I knew Manu, like Bruce, tends to get alot of hate from other fans. Yet, I don't really understand why. Yes, Manu flops on occasion, not as often as people in the media and this thread would like to believe, but he also plays some of the illest basketball ever seen from an international player. Dude does everything on the court well or better, evidenced by his near 20, 5, 5 out-put this season, yet people harp that he doesn't "play the game right."

Every top-tier player and all-star (from Allen Iverson, Kobe Bryant, Chris Paul, Steve Nash and Richard Hamliton) does most of the stuff (flopping, flailing and wanting calls) Manu does in some shape, form or fashion. Yet, since he's second-fiddle to Timmy, people think he doesn't have the "right" to play like he does.

Let me tell ya'll something though, there is hardly a player in the entire league that plays with the amount of grit, hustle and heart that Manu lays on the court every single night. Manu's the heart, Tony's the lungs and Timmy's the brain. They've all played a huge and signficant part in the Spurs capturing, to the dismay of many, 3 Larry O'Brien trophies together.

He's going to the Hall whether people like it or not, especially based on his impeccable international accolades. He will go down as one of the best SG's to ever play in the league, but not yet IMO, and definitely as the best South American/Latino to ever play in the NBA. People can't compare Manu's career stats to other players, simply because he began his career much later (25 or 26) then when most rookies are in the league. But, he's piling up World Championships and he might get some All-NBA love this season. All that really counts is that he's winning championships and has the respect of his teammates, coaches and fans.

[Kashanova]

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailyd...me-GreatestSGs

#19.

so put your foot in your mouth.

yeah he's def not better then ray allen lol

[Kashanova]

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The reason why you can't find more players who've had the opportunity to do this is b/c it's that difficult to do. There have been a number of great foreign players in this league and none of them were able to do what Ginobili has done both internationlly and in the NBA. Just b/c not many players have been in all of those leagues doesn't make it meaningless. No one has ever won both the dunk contest and 3pt contest, but if someone comes a long and wins both, does it mean nothing b/c not many guys are great enough at both events to compete in both events? Or how about Deion Sanders. He's the only man to play in a Super Bowl and a World Series. Does this mean nothing given the fact that not too many players have played in both the NFL and MLB? Or how about Larry Bird and Craig Hodges being the only players to ever win the 3pt contest 3 years in a row? Does that mean nothing b/c there probably aren't a lot of players who compete in it 3 yrs in a row?



Honestly, I don't know how many foreigners are in the HOF and I don't feel like counting. But given the fact that he's been extremely successful internationally and has 3 NBA championships, I do believe he will make the HOF when his career is over.

As far as him being 31, it doesn't mean he won't continue to play productively. Nash was 30 when he won his first MVP and 31 when he won the 2nd. He's currently 34 and his numbers now are almost exactly the same as the 2 years he won the MVP. Kidd was 34 last year when he averaged a triple double in the playoffs. Iverson is 32 and is still very productive. He's not scoring 30 ppg anymore, but he's also playing with Carmelo now. So Ginobili being 31 in no way means that he can't and won't continue to play great basketball. BTW, the way he's playing this season, he could very well make one of the All-NBA teams this year.

that is not difficult to do, im sure if kobe wanted to get a euroleague title he could do that too, if duncan wanted to he could too, and i doubt gino makes the hall, he just hasnt had a hall of fame career