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  • YuNgWuN
    Pro
    • May 2003
    • 684

    #16
    Re: Jose Calderon: why Assist/TO ratio is overrated

    Originally posted by DakkoN
    There's plenty of Calderon homerism on OS. Raptors fans overrate their team just as much as all the Blazers fans do, when the only players on those teams that should be overrated are the young studs (Bosh and Roy). I can remember reading here that Lamarcus Aldridge is the best mid range big in the NBA. Just because you take a lot of mid range J's doesn't mean you're the best shooter.
    LOL wow, not even close,(where do you come up with this)and plus hes still a top 10 pg, im one of the active fans and if you check my post history i've always been a calderon disliker, I wouldnt say i hate him but hes very passive and my post history agrees with Ryan completely.
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    • SpacemanSpiff
      MVP
      • Mar 2005
      • 1279

      #17
      Re: Jose Calderon: why Assist/TO ratio is overrated

      Originally posted by YuNgWuN
      LOL wow, not even close,(where do you come up with this)and plus hes still a top 10 pg, im one of the active fans and if you check my post history i've always been a calderon disliker, I wouldnt say i hate him but hes very passive and my post history agrees with Ryan completely.
      I'm not so sure he's a top ten point guard. He takes care of the ball extremely well but he can't break down a defense by himself or even create for others that well. He's the epitome of efficiency at the point guard position and that's all fine but I don't know if that makes him a top 10 point guard, imo.
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      • DC
        Hall Of Fame
        • Oct 2002
        • 17996

        #18
        Re: Jose Calderon: why Assist/TO ratio is overrated

        I saw Calerdon the other day racking up assists for jumpshooters and I thought about Ryan. And now he makes this post. I swear I am psychic
        Concrete evidence/videos please

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        • ryanm1058123
          Banned
          • Jan 2004
          • 3628

          #19
          Re: Jose Calderon: why Assist/TO ratio is overrated

          Originally posted by J.R. Locke
          Most players cannot get by there man without a pick....Calderon is playing with two post players. His job is to get the ball into the post. I think he plays very creative but the move into a half court team this year has changed the way the Raptors play.

          T.J. Ford just dominated down the stretch against OKC.
          that is most definitely not true, especially with the elite PGs

          haha DC. i just get frustrated watching the dude play. he should be able to break ppl down and get 12-13 assists a game easy. Wanna know why Bosh sits at 16-18 every game? Cause he can never get any easier shots. A better PG would improve his game and make him stop shooting long jumpers.

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          • Mintsa
            All Star
            • Jul 2002
            • 6668

            #20
            Re: Jose Calderon: why Assist/TO ratio is overrated

            I've never said Jose is on par with DWill or CP3 ???

            He just had a real bad game against the C's.

            it looked like Jose got shook a little when KG started to clap in his face wave his finger right up in his grill. LOL......

            That would've shook me a little as well.

            Jose is avg. 15 & 10, but has been playing off the past couple of games against the hawks, bobcats & c's. He will bounce back and become more active and attack the rim. It will all pan out.

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            • DC
              Hall Of Fame
              • Oct 2002
              • 17996

              #21
              Re: Jose Calderon: why Assist/TO ratio is overrated

              But I can understand Ryans point. I will watch a little closer to Calderon and see how true it is. Nice eye though
              Concrete evidence/videos please

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              • Vince
                Bow for Bau
                • Aug 2002
                • 26017

                #22
                Re: Jose Calderon: why Assist/TO ratio is overrated

                Bottom line is my sig.

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                • ProfessaPackMan
                  Bamma
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 63852

                  #23
                  Re: Jose Calderon: why Assist/TO ratio is overrated

                  Yea I haven't seen any of this Calderon "Homerism" and this Calderon "Love" on here that some of ya'll claim to have seen on here. Not recently though.
                  #RespectTheCulture

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                  • TMagic
                    G.O.A.T.
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 7550

                    #24
                    Re: Jose Calderon: why Assist/TO ratio is overrated

                    I'd love to have Calderon on the Rockets.

                    He's very efficient, takes care of the ball, knocks down shots, and doesn't force it. He shouldn't be expected to play like the other guards in the league. He just does what he can do. And I can appreciate that. He plays within himself.

                    Plus, he's a winner. People can say that he doesn't get his teammates easy shots. But you also have to say that he almost always gives his team a good chance to win ball games with the way he plays.

                    Just check Vince's sig. lol
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                    • tehova
                      b**-r*y
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 3694

                      #25
                      Re: Jose Calderon: why Assist/TO ratio is overrated

                      Jose Calderon from 82games

                      Passing Stats <table width="540" bgcolor="#cccccc" border="0" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr bgcolor="#33cc33"> <td width="60"><center>3-Pt
                      Assists
                      </center></td> <td width="60"><center>Jump
                      Assists
                      </center></td> <td width="60"><center>Close
                      Assists
                      </center></td> <td width="60"><center>Dunk
                      Assists
                      </center></td> <td width="60"><center>Total
                      Assists
                      </center></td> <td width="60"><center>Passing
                      T/O's
                      </center></td> <td width="60"><center>Assist/
                      Bad Pass
                      </center></td> <td width="60"><center>Passing
                      Rating
                      </center></td> <td width="60"><center>AST48</center></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><center> 198 </center></td> <td><center> 267 </center></td> <td><center> 128 </center></td> <td><center> 85 </center></td> <td><center> 678 </center></td> <td><center> 86 </center></td> <td align="center"> 7.9</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffcc">17.2</td> <td align="center">13.1</td></tr></tbody></table>
                      Turnovers and Ball Handling <table width="400" bgcolor="#cccccc" border="0" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr bgcolor="#33cc33"> <td width="80"><center>Offensive
                      Fouls
                      </center></td> <td width="80"><center>Bad
                      Passes
                      </center></td> <td width="80"><center>Ball Handling
                      Turnovers
                      </center></td> <td width="80"><center>Other
                      Turnovers
                      </center></td> <td width="80"><center>'Hands'
                      Rating
                      </center></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><center> 2 </center></td> <td><center> 86 </center></td> <td><center> 37 </center></td> <td><center> 1 </center></td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#fffcc0"> 34.9</td></tr></tbody></table>
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                      • tehova
                        b**-r*y
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 3694

                        #26
                        Re: Jose Calderon: why Assist/TO ratio is overrated

                        That was last year oops, here is the current year

                        Passing Stats <table width="540" bgcolor="#cccccc" border="0" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr bgcolor="#33cc33"> <td width="60"><center>3-Pt
                        Assists
                        </center></td> <td width="60"><center>Jump
                        Assists
                        </center></td> <td width="60"><center>Close
                        Assists
                        </center></td> <td width="60"><center>Dunk
                        Assists
                        </center></td> <td width="60"><center>Total
                        Assists
                        </center></td> <td width="60"><center>Passing
                        T/O's
                        </center></td> <td width="60"><center>Assist/
                        Bad Pass
                        </center></td> <td width="60"><center>Passing
                        Rating
                        </center></td> <td width="60"><center>AST48</center></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><center> 10 </center></td> <td><center> 35 </center></td> <td><center> 14 </center></td> <td><center> 7 </center></td> <td><center> 66 </center></td> <td><center> 5 </center></td> <td align="center">13.2</td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffcc">16.5</td> <td align="center">12.0</td></tr></tbody></table>
                        Turnovers and Ball Handling <table width="400" bgcolor="#cccccc" border="0" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr bgcolor="#33cc33"> <td width="80"><center>Offensive
                        Fouls
                        </center></td> <td width="80"><center>Bad
                        Passes
                        </center></td> <td width="80"><center>Ball Handling
                        Turnovers
                        </center></td> <td width="80"><center>Other
                        Turnovers
                        </center></td> <td width="80"><center>'Hands'
                        Rating
                        </center></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td><center> 1 </center></td> <td><center> 5 </center></td> <td><center> 5 </center></td> <td><center> 0 </center></td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#fffcc0"> 31.4</td></tr></tbody></table>
                        Ericmaynor3.com

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                        • NBA2k8 CHAMP
                          Banned
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 1918

                          #27
                          Re: Jose Calderon: why Assist/TO ratio is overrated

                          Originally posted by Dawz
                          I'd put Paul, Davis, Nash, Parker, Iverson and Kidd ahead of him... Name me four others with a straight face

                          And i'd argue the original point, but if the OP seriously thinks Calderon's getting almost 10 assists a game on contested long range shots then whats the point
                          Rondo,Rose,Arenas,D.Williams

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                          • Juice Malone
                            Rookie
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 234

                            #28
                            Re: Jose Calderon: why Assist/TO ratio is overrated

                            Originally posted by J.R. Locke
                            Most players cannot get by there man without a pick.....
                            Seriously? What league are you watching? If you are not capable of penetrating from the PG position you will have difficulty making any team, NBA or college, except in rare cases such as Calderon.

                            I can name about 25 pgs who can off the top of my head. Calderon seems to lack this ability compared to other PGs, but it may just seem that way because he is to cautious or a result of coaching. I dont know.

                            His saving grace is that he can shoot and he had a successful career overseas, both domestically and internationally. Like the poster said assist/turnover ratio is not really a positive if your PG is as cautious as Calderon, but managing the game well is not a negative, so it kind of cancels out i guess.

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                            • Cebby
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2005
                              • 22327

                              #29
                              Re: Jose Calderon: why Assist/TO ratio is overrated

                              Every efficiency stat in every sport is overrated.

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                              • Dawz
                                Rookie
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 101

                                #30
                                Re: Jose Calderon: why Assist/TO ratio is overrated

                                Originally posted by NBA2k8 CHAMP
                                Rondo,Rose,Arenas,D.Williams
                                Rondo ? better overall point guard ?
                                Rose... not yet, not after less than 10 games in the league, but in due time I presume he will
                                Arenas... debatable, but with this current Raptor team, i'd rather have Calderon
                                D.Williams... already said that was a goof on my part for forgetting him

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