Which Players Have the Most Overrated POTENTIAL In The NBA???

[P2K]

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Great post, Brandon13. Lookie lookie who found the cookie. So busy attacking me and GSW that he forgot his own posts about "AI Lite" who "can shoot" and "went into AI mode". Overrated.

Brandon, I really appreciate it. I didn't do this myself because I try not to spend time proving things that I know are true. If someone wants to stubbornly ignore the truth, then that's up to them If the truth hurts, and they want to call me a liar to avoid it, that's up to them too.

Glad you found all this stuff though, man. Funny that all that scratching and clawing came from one of the people who made the comparisons. That's why I don't take these rants and attacks seriously. It hurts to be wrong.

The AI Lite lines you are taking as seriously me making LW as the next Iverson isn't true still. I even called him AI Lite in THIS thread. And explained why. You muttered nada. Yet, you needed to lean on someone else to provide something, which still didn't provide your precious evidence, and now you want to take the "AI Lite" to mean something. You're scrapping hard to look good in this.

Again, prove it that some Sixer fan said Louis Williams is the next Iverson and called him the future of the franchise. And once more, don't use any posts from JBH3 because we all know he's homerific clown from Virginia .

And if you can't, just shush and let your agenda die or go kick rocks.

[NBA2k8 CHAMP]

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Rondo is FAR from top 3. He still isn't on the level of Parker, Nash, Billups, or Harris. I will take Rose over Rondo.

But explain to me how exactly did he DESTROY Billups in the ECF last year with numbers of 11 and 7, 10 and 8, 12 and 4, 4 and 4, 7 and 13, and 11 and 3. Compared to Billups 9 and 2, 19 and 7, 6 and 4, 10 and 7, 26 and 6, and 29 and 6. That is far from destroying anything. Billups outplayed Rondo in that series.

This season Rondo has outplayed Billups,Nash,and Harris head to head.

Don't just look at numbers when looking at Rondo he's the main catalyst and one of the main reasons they destroyed Detroit in the ECF

[Checmate101]

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Man, What is going on here?

[NBA2k8 CHAMP]

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You put Rose on the Celtics you have a FAR worse team.Maybe in the future Rose will be better but now it's laughable.
Everyone says he does it because of the big 3 but he's playing his best ball with KG out,The only one that helps him out is Ray Allen.

Like Doc said the Celtics could lose anyone of the Big 3 and be okay for awhile but If they lose Rondo they're in a world of trouble.That's saying alot being on a championship team with 3 hof players and only your 2nd year starting so FAR from top 3 is an outreach

Like Ex said the top 3 is probably CP3,D Will,and Tony P

[NBA2k8 CHAMP]

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Also Andre Iguodala

[P2K]

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No Mike Conley?

Rasheed Wallace I'm tired of hearing about how he can be the best in the league

Conley? People see what he is doing now. Finally got his chance.

This season Rondo has outplayed Billups,Nash,and Harris head to head.

Don't just look at numbers when looking at Rondo he's the main catalyst and one of the main reasons they destroyed Detroit in the ECF

Rondo, while good, gets plenty of space to work with because of Pierce, KG, and Allen. I'm not convinced of him...yet.

[P2K]

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Also Andre Iguodala

Still can't believe he got that contract. He's good, but he angers me every game.

[PrettyT11]

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This season Rondo has outplayed Billups,Nash,and Harris head to head.

Don't just look at numbers when looking at Rondo he's the main catalyst and one of the main reasons they destroyed Detroit in the ECF

Four or 5 games out of 82 doesn't determine your whole season. Plus the first game against Billups he shut Rondo down. He had 2 points and zero rebounds and they lost the game. So how did he outplay Billups then?? Deron outplays CP3 head to head almost every game they play. Does that mean he is a better PG than Paul?? No it doesn't. Amare outplays Duncan head to head but nobody in their right mind would say Amare is better than Duncan. See how that works??

Back to the Detroit series. You are throwing the word DESTROY around too lightly. I don't see how Boston DESTROYED the Pistons when the series was 2 to 2 with Detroit blowing Boston out in game 4. Then game 5 and 6 where good games. Game 5 could have went either way. That is not DESTROYING a team. They won the series but they where far from DESTROYING the Pistons. When you DESTROY a team we are talking about a 4 game sweep or a 5 game whooping but not a contested 6 game series.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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The logic about Rondo being the 3rd best PG is ridiculous.

[PrettyT11]

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You put Rose on the Celtics you have a FAR worse team.Maybe in the future Rose will be better but now it's laughable.
Everyone says he does it because of the big 3 but he's playing his best ball with KG out,The only one that helps him out is Ray Allen.

Like Doc said the Celtics could lose anyone of the Big 3 and be okay for awhile but If they lose Rondo they're in a world of trouble.That's saying alot being on a championship team with 3 hof players and only your 2nd year starting so FAR from top 3 is an outreach

Like Ex said the top 3 is probably CP3,D Will,and Tony P

The Celtics is the perfect team for Rondo to be on. Yeah I will give you if they switched teams then the Celtics wouldn't be as good. But if you put Rondo on the Bulls they would be FAR worse. You can't compare their two systems cause they are asked to do different things.

Rondo CAN'T SHOOT. He gets to play one on one with his defender every night because of the players around him. They can't leave Peirce,Allen, or House on the wing cause they will knock down the open shot and you can't rotate off of KG cause that is an easy oop for two points. Rondo NEVER gets a double team which Rose gets on a regular basis. Rondo is NEVER asked to carry the team or be the leader or the future of the franchise. He gets to just go out there and play. Plus playing with those three HOF'ers helps alot. Rose is the focul point of the team and the other team's defense. When you play the Bulls the focus is to stop Rose. When you play the Celtics Rondo isn't your focus point. You play off of Rondo and if he makes the shot he makes it. Yeah he looked great against the Suns but Nash makes everybody look good. Plus the Suns D is trash.

He has played TWO games without KG. Let's not make it seem like he is just dominating without KG in the lineup. He had a great game against the Suns and a good one against the Nuggets. Let's not get carried away.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Rondo is FAR from top 3. He still isn't on the level of Parker, Nash, Billups, or Harris. I will take Rose over Rondo.

But explain to me how exactly did he DESTROY Billups in the ECF last year with numbers of 11 and 7, 10 and 8, 12 and 4, 4 and 4, 7 and 13, and 11 and 3. Compared to Billups 9 and 2, 19 and 7, 6 and 4, 10 and 7, 26 and 6, and 29 and 6. That is far from destroying anything. Billups outplayed Rondo in that series.

Why bring up last year?

Rose over Rondo? Ehh. Like I said before Rondo is on that Tony Parker track. Rondo can get to the rack as well as any other point guard in the league. I'm not saying he would make the Bulls better, but let's not confuse role with ability.

Anyway this is off-topic.

[Bornindamecca]

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Rondo will certainly get his chances. In two years, the Big 3 will be the Old 3, and they'll need him to be Tony Parker to keep them in contention the way TP does for the Spurs.

The big, big difference between the two is around the basket shotmaking ability. Tony is just uncanny in this department. One of the best the league has ever seen. I think that's a lot to ask of Rondo.

Rajon is a great rebounder, good defender and has quick hands. Those along with his ability to penetrate will be his calling cards, but I don't know if I see him being the scoring threat that Tony and the Dude are.

I think it's spot on topic, because we're talking about the relative potential of Parker, Rondo and Rose.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Rondo will certainly get his chances. In two years, the Big 3 will be the Old 3, and they'll need him to be Tony Parker to keep them in contention the way TP does for the Spurs.

The big, big difference between the two is around the basket shotmaking ability. Tony is just uncanny in this department. One of the best the league has ever seen. I think that's a lot to ask of Rondo.

Rajon is a great rebounder, good defender and has quick hands. Those along with his ability to penetrate will be his calling cards, but I don't know if I see him being the scoring threat that Tony and the Dude are.

I think it's spot on topic, because we're talking about the relative potential of Parker, Rondo and Rose.

True, it is pretty much on topic.

Rondo can finish around the basket in traffic just about as well as anyone today.

I agree he doesn't appear to have the scoring ability that TP, Harris, Rose have, but he's a better playmaker than Harris and Rose in my eyes. Rondo has such a feel for the game, it's a thing of beauty to watch. I don't feel the same way when I watch Harris/Rose. Although Rose is going to be special, don't get me twisted.

Rondo's it factor was in the embryonic stage last season, and this year it's starting to develop.

IMO Devin doesn't have the "it" factor, but maybe that's because he's not playing with 3 future Hall of Famer's. I just don't want to hold that against Rondo.

[PrettyT11]

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Why bring up last year?

Rose over Rondo? Ehh. Like I said before Rondo is on that Tony Parker track. Rondo can get to the rack as well as any other point guard in the league. I'm not saying he would make the Bulls better, but let's not confuse role with ability.

Anyway this is off-topic.

I brought up last year cause the person arguing for Rondo said Rondo has outplayed those and he DESTOYED Billups in the ECF last year. Cleary you can see by those numbers that is not what happened.

Yes I would take Rose over Rondo and I am not cunfusing role with ability. Rondo doesn't have the ability to shoot. He he was put out there without the benefit of three hall of fame teamates taking off pressure and allowing him to play single covered all game he wouldn't be doing the things he is doing. Rondo is not on a Tony Parker track. Yes Parker strugled with his shot early but he was capable of making shots. He improved his shot and that is what makes him close to unguardable. Plus his ability around the basket is on an all time great level for a PG. Rondo has NEVER been able to shoot. He he was put out there and asked to be the team like Rose is I don't see him making it happen.

It has already been proven this season that if you make Rondo a shooter and close the free lanes he is average on the offensive end. That rough spot he went through this season he was forced to be a shooter and he played bad missing shots and turning over the ball. I'm not saying he isn't a good player but to put him on All Star level and a top 3 PG in the NBA is a joke.

[Bornindamecca]

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True, it is pretty much on topic.

Rondo can finish around the basket in traffic just about as well as anyone today.

I agree he doesn't appear to have the scoring ability that TP, Harris, Rose have, but he's a better playmaker than Harris and Rose in my eyes. Rondo has such a feel for the game, it's a thing of beauty to watch.

I want to get one thing straight--not with you, Ex, in general--I like Rondo. I like his size, athleticism and attitude. He even comes from a good program. Just want to keep this in perspective.


I flat out disagree that he is as good in the paint as Parker or Paul. Parker has the best floater in the game and is also the best off of the glass. Paul has "great player power" that allows him to make shots on will alone.

Re:Better playmaker than Rose. Not enough info, man. Do you really think he'd be better on Chicago? Bad coaching, bad management, bad roster and rookie year. I understand if you're going with your gut in this one, but when evaluating the respective playmaking ability of Rondo and Rose, we cannot overstate the importance of the difference in their rosters.