3/16-3/22 NBA Discussion

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Exactly Ex. What it is, is that Houston actually has a TEAM rather than 1-2 players (depending on injuries).

Someone on Clutchfans posted this, and even I don't believe these rosters are accurate, but if so... damn.



So really, give all the credit to the greatest GM in the league for (in a very short time) transforming Yao, Tracy, and hot garbage into an actual TEAM that, despite having one of the highest paid players in the NBA sitting out (having potential career-ending surgery), has STILL managed to put together a great TEAM that's holding the three seed in the West. Not to mention that this team would be even better than they are now had Gimpy McGimpy sat out the entire season.

Brooks/Lowry
Artest/Wafer
Battier/Barry
Scola/Landry/Hayes
Yao/Mutumbo

No man its not accurate. He forgot to put guys like Charlie Ward, Rod Strickland, and Jake Tsakalidis, Mo Taylor, Keith Bogans... Luther Head and Rafer Alston

[Kashanova]

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There is someone else gone that may have had an impact as well.

The Magic don't seem to be suffering from Skip's reign of terror, and they were losing a lot of games before he got there.

doubt it before this year the rockets record had been horrribleeeee, but theres something different this year. Yeah that's right. No skip

[Kashanova]

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LOL at that notion and many other notions that some people actually fool themselves into believing.

yeah cause you would know if it's true or not

[Checmate101]

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I seriously doubt Skip being gone is THE main reason why they are playing this good as of late.

That's what I'm saying, alot of people are blaming skip. Which I don't think is the main reason either.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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People just fooling themselves and looking for someone to put the blame on just because.

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Rafer Alston wasn't the main reason at all, but he was a good one being Houston's 3rd scoring option.

Saying he is the main reason for the trouble is like giving him credit for ORL winning games.

At best Rafer is streaky, and normally he's inconsistent and shoots at the 30% level. He's had quite a ew of those 3-12 days in ORL, which is easier for them to recover from because of all the weapons they have.... but when you have guys like Ryan Bowen Juwan Howard, Mo Taylor and Jake Tsakilidis as main guys on your squad you are doomed.. I dont care if Wilt was starting.

[ex carrabba fan]

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yeah cause you would know if it's true or not

Huh? This is basically what I was saying. Some people act as if they know that Skip was the only reason why they would ever lose. Some people ignore that HOU is doing better without not just Skip, but another player as well.

ORL isn't suffering from Skip's suckiness. Like Pack said these same people seem to want to pin the blame on someone.

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Tmac Ron and Shane were all hurt at the beginning of the year, Yao had no backup and the offense and defense wasnt there...

Screw blaming someone because the team won 22 straight games with both Rafer and McGrady in the lineup. All of these notions being thrown around here in certain posts and indirect shots are getting childish.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Well I wasn't posting that for no reason. I could go back and quote those people I was talking about but I'll leave that alone.

It's getting to the point where every time the Rox win, I check the weekly thread and it's "thank God so and so is gone, it's so nice to not have that chucker screwing up the offense".

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I don't disagree but you have to remember that a inkling of a small portion of residue from cf seeps over here and that place ihasbecome a cesspool make no mistake about it.

It goes both ways though, saying theyre better without such and such or whatever is old and childish and chiming in on what someone on another team is doing equally.

These game threads have become unenjoyable to read at times, and a couple have been locked already.

When the playoffs come the tolerace level is going way down.

[Bornindamecca]

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Screw blaming someone because the team won 22 straight games with both Rafer and McGrady in the lineup. All of these notions being thrown around here in certain posts and indirect shots are getting childish.

It's amazing what a team looks like with a competent PG though who doesn't shoot brick three's and 0 % floaters all game.

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Sorry bud... but that wasnt indirect. You and everyone knew what I was talking about, and it was a definite statement of fact.

That is exactly what happened in Houston with Rafer Alston as the 3rd option and frankly you know exactly what I meant.

Time to cut out the crap

[Bornindamecca]

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It is a notion of blame. How can you be against blaming players, but blame Rafer?


Rafer's role is not supposed to be as a third scoring option. If injuries or bad GMing make that fall into his plate, that's not his fault. His role is to distribute the ball, run the team, control the tempo and apply ball pressure on defense.

Houston's inconsistency with injuries has been the main problem for their issues, and a lack of a third scoring option OR more shooting specialists would be another. What you're saying makes it sound like having Skip causes a team to lose, when Orlando disagrees with that assessment. Coach Van Gundy was happy to have Skip in Miami, and he's happy to have him back in Orlando. The other Van Gundy, Hubie Brown, Kenny Smith, Charles Barkley, Mark Jackson and plenty others all think that Skip can help a team win. Yet here you are blaming him for Houston's troubles, when they have 25 points, 6 assists and 5 rebounds coming up lame on the bench, 25 points and 9 rebounds breaking his leg every year, and the rest of their team is 6'6".

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[QUOTE=Bornindamecca;2039313228]It is a notion of blame. How can you be against blaming players, but blame Rafer?

Rafer's role is not supposed to be as a third scoring option.

You're right and it was painfully obvious how mediocre he was at it, and yes the fans have cried for another PG for years.

If injuries or bad GMing make that fall into his plate, that's not his fault. His role is to distribute the ball, run the team, control the tempo and apply ball pressure on defense.

He wasn't distributing much of anything really McGrady was the main assist man. Rafer was the one who brought the ball up the court because he didnt get picked off like those other guys I named, Rod Strickland, Reece Gaines, Luther Head.

Houston's inconsistency with injuries has been the main problem for their issues

It was their ever changing roster and they've won 50 games at least 4 of the last 5 years.

and a lack of a third scoring option OR more shooting specialists would be another.

They needed someone who could drive to the basket or create his own shot more than just McGrady, not more shooters.

What you're saying makes it sound like having Skip causes a team to lose, when Orlando disagrees with that assessment.

No, as your 3rd option and big minutes makes your team lose when the steering wheel is broken. Im not solely blaming any one person but Rafer definitely had his share

Coach Van Gundy was happy to have Skip in Miami, and he's happy to have him back in Orlando.

Great for coach Gundy... I'd be happy to get him too if all I had was Anthony Johnson.

The other Van Gundy, Hubie Brown, Kenny Smith, Charles Barkley, Mark Jackson and plenty others all think that Skip can help a team win.

Yes he can, as long as the team has some players that he wont be one of the big 3.

Yet here you are blaming him for Houston's troubles, when they have 25 points, 6 assists and 5 rebounds coming up lame on the bench, 25 points and 9 rebounds breaking his leg every year, and the rest of their team is 6'6".

Wrong, They look alot better in their offense when they dont have the PG jacking up bad three's and the defense laying off of him because they know he only shoots it at 34% for his career, not creating shots for his teammates, not getting to the line... and who was he stopping on defense again?

Again ORL is an entire different dynamic, but lets not place Rafer in the hero book. He wasn't a failure, but he wasn't that great either. Those two injured lames that you mention have been the only reason HOU has been significant over the years.

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I wish.

You gonna be wearing ORL gear to the game?

Yeah, I'm going to be brave and wear my Dwight Howard jersey tonight. I'm going with my friend, Mike, who is a huge Cavs fan and he will be wearing his Mo Williams jersey. Quite the odd pair, I'd say.

I actually splurged and got some pretty good seats (section 100, 5 rows from the floor) so I'm going to head up there right now and get a head start on the beers.

Win or lose though, I'm just hoping for a good, close game.