Since MJ Left, Has There Really Been A COMPLETE Player In The League?

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  • Jeffx
    MVP
    • Jan 2007
    • 3045

    #46
    Re: Since MJ Left, Has There Really Been A COMPLETE Player In The League?

    Originally posted by AlexBrady
    Odom? Absolutely not. He is athletic and lengthy but he has no focus when on the basketball court. I swear Lamar is such a basket case where if he doesnt score points early then he tends to lose interest as the game goes on. He is a jack of all trades but a master of none.
    Absolutely - he and Rasheed Wallace are the most frustrating players to watch. With their talent, they could be so much more.

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    • AlexBrady
      MVP
      • Jul 2008
      • 3341

      #47
      Re: Since MJ Left, Has There Really Been A COMPLETE Player In The League?

      Originally posted by Jeffx
      Absolutely - he and Rasheed Wallace are the most frustrating players to watch. With their talent, they could be so much more.
      Yes and they will always be underachievers. Too bad because they both have Hall of Fame talent.

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      • TheMatrix31
        RF
        • Jul 2002
        • 52908

        #48
        Re: Since MJ Left, Has There Really Been A COMPLETE Player In The League?

        That's why I said from a pure talent perspective. The four I listed and Rasheed are the five most COMPLETE players from that perspective. They can all do it all.

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        • Rocky
          All Star
          • Jul 2002
          • 6896

          #49
          Re: Since MJ Left, Has There Really Been A COMPLETE Player In The League?

          It all comes back to Shaq and Duncan at the end of the day.

          Surprised not to hear Shaq's name in every response so far. His understanding of the game and how team's came at him was phenomenal. He is really one of the smartest players in the game.
          "Maybe I can't win. But to beat me, he's going to have to kill me. And to kill me, he's gonna have to have the heart to stand in front of me. And to do that, he's got to be willing to die himself. I don't know if he's ready to do that."
          -Rocky Balboa

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          • AlexBrady
            MVP
            • Jul 2008
            • 3341

            #50
            Re: Since MJ Left, Has There Really Been A COMPLETE Player In The League?

            My take on Garnett's all around game

            Garnett scouting report: He is very lengthy which allows him to envelope screens and deny the ball in the low post. KG is a very good rebounder in a crowd because he is so long. Garnett has an accurate jumper and he can shoot it with range. Unfortunately he isn't very strong and can be pushed around by some cream puff bigs. The Big Ticket isnt very big in clutch situations either and it seems that he would rather foul out of the game then take a crucial shot. He never was as good as Duncan but he is a very well rounded player. His ineptitude in clutch situations is what keeps him below Jordan and legend status.

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            • Jeffx
              MVP
              • Jan 2007
              • 3045

              #51
              Re: Since MJ Left, Has There Really Been A COMPLETE Player In The League?

              Originally posted by AlexBrady
              Yes and they will always be underachievers. Too bad because they both have Hall of Fame talent.
              Watching these two, you want to scream, "C'mon, take over! Get it going!"

              It's maddening, because like you said, these cats could DOMINATE if they wanted to.

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              • AlexBrady
                MVP
                • Jul 2008
                • 3341

                #52
                Re: Since MJ Left, Has There Really Been A COMPLETE Player In The League?

                Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                That's why I said from a pure talent perspective. The four I listed and Rasheed are the five most COMPLETE players from that perspective. They can all do it all.
                They (Rasheed and Odom) can't "do it all" on the consistent basis that the others can.

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                • cjonesfan921
                  UGH, next year
                  • Jan 2005
                  • 20081

                  #53
                  Re: Since MJ Left, Has There Really Been A COMPLETE Player In The League?

                  Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                  By "Complete" I mean like having it ALL:

                  *Scoring
                  *Defense
                  *Clutchness
                  *Leadership

                  (The ones with an * are just examples that I was using since those were the only ones I could think off the top of my head)

                  Basically, I guess what I'm trying to get at is has there EVER been a "10/10" or "5/5" Player in the League since Jordan left the game or is the "Complete Player" title just a myth like the "Shut Down Corner" title is in the NFL?

                  And no, you can't count 9.5/10 or 4.5/5 as being Complete because...well it wouldn't be complete lol.

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                  • TheMonopoly
                    Rookie
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 171

                    #54
                    Re: Since MJ Left, Has There Really Been A COMPLETE Player In The League?

                    The comparison with Lerbon is a joke! Lebron just started playing Defense this season! To say he is a complete player is innarcurate.

                    Lebron is not going to beat you with a jumper like Mike, the only way James can win games is with drives to the hoop and even then he isnt much more than 80 percent from the line where as Jordan was 90 plus. Jordan is leagues above anyone since him or before him and that counts Oscar, Russell, Wilt, ALL OF THOSE!

                    This should be closed.
                    The voice of reality.

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                    • Jeffx
                      MVP
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 3045

                      #55
                      Re: Since MJ Left, Has There Really Been A COMPLETE Player In The League?

                      Originally posted by TheMonopoly
                      Jordan is leagues above anyone since him or before him and that counts Oscar, Russell, Wilt, ALL OF THOSE!
                      Hell no, but folks are entitled to their opinion. To me, no one was better than Wilt.

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                      • GSW
                        Simnation
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 8041

                        #56
                        Re: Since MJ Left, Has There Really Been A COMPLETE Player In The League?

                        Originally posted by Jeffx
                        Hell no, but folks are entitled to their opinion. To me, no one was better than Wilt.
                        you seen Wilt play?

                        what was that like?
                        #Simnation

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                        • ThreeKing
                          Banned
                          • Aug 2007
                          • 5852

                          #57
                          Re: Since MJ Left, Has There Really Been A COMPLETE Player In The League?

                          NO.

                          Nobody will ever come close to what Michael accomplished on AND off the court.

                          He is on a whole other level, then there is a significant dropoff.

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                          • GSW
                            Simnation
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 8041

                            #58
                            Re: Since MJ Left, Has There Really Been A COMPLETE Player In The League?

                            Why si everyone so enamored with comparing cats to Mike...

                            doesnt it get old?

                            why cant yall just let these dudes be who they are.
                            #Simnation

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                            • ProfessaPackMan
                              Bamma
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 63852

                              #59
                              Re: Since MJ Left, Has There Really Been A COMPLETE Player In The League?

                              Because this current generation is still looking for the next Jordan and refuse to give that up and it probably won't change no time soon either.
                              #RespectTheCulture

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                              • Jeffx
                                MVP
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 3045

                                #60
                                Re: Since MJ Left, Has There Really Been A COMPLETE Player In The League?

                                Originally posted by GSW
                                you seen Wilt play?

                                what was that like?
                                Yeah, in the early 70s, when my Knicks and the Lakers met three times in the Finals. Of course, he lost a step or two since his Sixer days, but he was still larger than life.

                                Another thrill of mine was watching Dr. J do his thing at the Nassau Coliseum during his ABA glory years. I wish you young cats could have seen basketball during the 70s & 80s. - so much better back then.

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