Kobe is not the next MJ

23 · 05-20-2003, 11:30 AM

Re: Kobe is not the next MJ

Man you guys forget about things like this. MJ surpassed and earned the respect of legend players like Magic ,Bird Dr. J ,Dominique Wilkins, Clyde Drexler, Isaiah Thomas, Kareem, etc...

Kobe hasn't really put himself in the class of these guys first. I always ask, is Kobe better than Magic, or do you think he will be known when he retires as having a bigger impact on the game worldwide than Magic. If you say no, and I know you're thinking no, then Kobe is far away from MJ'c class.

I laughed when Laker fans called Kobe crying "passion", because he didn't want to lose, but where was that "passion" when he was trying so hard to pad a triple double, that he helped his team lose to the Cleveland Cavaliers?

It's one of the most ridiculous comparisons in the history of the NBA.

It's actually better to at least look at guys that's on his level like T-Mac, AI, TD, KG. I know many of you guys don't believe they are, but none of you would reject any of them if they wanted to play in LA next season.

I know many people on these boards didn't really see MJ play in his prime in the playoffs, or reach 72-10 with the Bulls, or even early years of his career. The man was a cold silent assasin, and you had to be there to see a team trying to make a run on his team until he stepped on the court, and the entire opposing team would immediately change the way they were playing, and their focus would seem to drop a bit because this guy simply stood on the floor. It may not sound true but it is.

It was times where MJ eould shoot 3's and turn around, and start running to the other teams basket before the ball went in, because he knew it would, and it did. He was a great perimeter shooter. As some people don't believe he was a better perimeter shooter than Kobe, I disagree, along with the fact that his FG% was higher than Kobe's is now.

**Bredrin** · 05-20-2003, 02:03 PM

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**Bredrin** · 05-20-2003, 02:03 PM

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The funny thing is.... had kobe tried to lead the team back into gam six all alone (since he would get no help anyway) , he would have been given every selfish and derogatory title by every sportscaster out there. he would have called arrogant and full of himself and selfish and whatever else they can come up with. Either way the Kid cant win, he was the only laker playing up to standard in that series and he was guarded by possibly the best defender in the league. one had to understand that theres alot that goes through a players mind when the dynasty is about to be over and the offseason is about to start too soon. The impression players leave on the court after that last game could determine their future or credibility in the organization. thats why medvendenko came out firing and kareem and pargo and the rest played hard till the last whistle. Kobe can have all the heart in the world but with no support its useless. Iverson can tell u best.

**Bredrin** · 05-20-2003, 02:03 PM

Re: Kobe is not the next MJ

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**Bredrin** · 05-20-2003, 02:03 PM

Re: Kobe is not the next MJ

The funny thing is.... had kobe tried to lead the team back into gam six all alone (since he would get no help anyway) , he would have been given every selfish and derogatory title by every sportscaster out there. he would have called arrogant and full of himself and selfish and whatever else they can come up with. Either way the Kid cant win, he was the only laker playing up to standard in that series and he was guarded by possibly the best defender in the league. one had to understand that theres alot that goes through a players mind when the dynasty is about to be over and the offseason is about to start too soon. The impression players leave on the court after that last game could determine their future or credibility in the organization. thats why medvendenko came out firing and kareem and pargo and the rest played hard till the last whistle. Kobe can have all the heart in the world but with no support its useless. Iverson can tell u best.

**Air23** · 05-20-2003, 02:08 PM

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Exacly, KDRE. Most kids nowadays (and I'm not talking about anyone here, but kids in general), only know MJ as a Wizard. They weren't really into the NBA when MJ and the Bulls ruled the League. They weren't there when MJ would throw down 40 and 50 points games against great defenses (Pistons, Knicks, Celtics, etc) and lead the Bulls to victory.

All they know now are AI, Kobe, KG, Duncan, and T-Mac. Real good young players, but not anywhere on the level of MJ, Bird, Magic, Isaiah, etc. These kids missed out on what is, to me, the greatest era of the NBA (early 80's until about 1993).

**Air23** · 05-20-2003, 02:08 PM

Re: Kobe is not the next MJ

Exacly, KDRE. Most kids nowadays (and I'm not talking about anyone here, but kids in general), only know MJ as a Wizard. They weren't really into the NBA when MJ and the Bulls ruled the League. They weren't there when MJ would throw down 40 and 50 points games against great defenses (Pistons, Knicks, Celtics, etc) and lead the Bulls to victory.

All they know now are AI, Kobe, KG, Duncan, and T-Mac. Real good young players, but not anywhere on the level of MJ, Bird, Magic, Isaiah, etc. These kids missed out on what is, to me, the greatest era of the NBA (early 80's until about 1993).

23 · 05-20-2003, 02:46 PM

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Air23 said:
Exacly, KDRE. Most kids nowadays (and I'm not talking about anyone here, but kids in general), only know MJ as a Wizard. They weren't really into the NBA when MJ and the Bulls ruled the League. They weren't there when MJ would throw down 40 and 50 points games against great defenses (Pistons, Knicks, Celtics, etc) and lead the Bulls to victory.

All they know now are AI, Kobe, KG, Duncan, and T-Mac. Real good young players, but not anywhere on the level of MJ, Bird, Magic, Isaiah, etc. These kids missed out on what is, to me, the greatest era of the NBA (early 80's until about 1993).

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You're right, I almost feel sorry for them because they don't realize that most of the things they see guys doing now have been done, and sometimes much better. I know there are more athletic guys in the L, and the L always needs a frontrunner to carry the image, but teams were just deeper all around in the 80's, 90's era.

Mark Madsen would've never gotten any playing time if he had played with Magic. Guys like AAC Green, and Kurt Rambis would have had all of his minutes, and then some.
It's really a diffrent game now, but the truth is, teams being deep is a big thing now because it's not a common thing anymore. It used to be the norm to have a deep team 1-12, now you're lucky if you have a guy at the 6 that can give the team a spark.

I'm not downing Kobe, but the comparisons whether or not the sportswriters would say anything, (and they will try to find something to say anyway), should stop.

This is why this guy can't be his own player. He is under Shaq for one, and two, people always compares him to a guy he cannot outdo, along with the fact that he denies trying to emulate the guy, when it is apparent he has and does try.

He is a great player, and very talented (props on his game), but he really is no MJ. He would've been burned by the 89-90 Pistons. Unlikely you say, well if Bruce Bowen (not very strong) could bog him down in a playoff series, he would have no chance against a deep defensive Pistons team.

23 · 05-20-2003, 02:46 PM

Re: Kobe is not the next MJ

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Air23 said:
Exacly, KDRE. Most kids nowadays (and I'm not talking about anyone here, but kids in general), only know MJ as a Wizard. They weren't really into the NBA when MJ and the Bulls ruled the League. They weren't there when MJ would throw down 40 and 50 points games against great defenses (Pistons, Knicks, Celtics, etc) and lead the Bulls to victory.

All they know now are AI, Kobe, KG, Duncan, and T-Mac. Real good young players, but not anywhere on the level of MJ, Bird, Magic, Isaiah, etc. These kids missed out on what is, to me, the greatest era of the NBA (early 80's until about 1993).

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You're right, I almost feel sorry for them because they don't realize that most of the things they see guys doing now have been done, and sometimes much better. I know there are more athletic guys in the L, and the L always needs a frontrunner to carry the image, but teams were just deeper all around in the 80's, 90's era.

Mark Madsen would've never gotten any playing time if he had played with Magic. Guys like AAC Green, and Kurt Rambis would have had all of his minutes, and then some.
It's really a diffrent game now, but the truth is, teams being deep is a big thing now because it's not a common thing anymore. It used to be the norm to have a deep team 1-12, now you're lucky if you have a guy at the 6 that can give the team a spark.

I'm not downing Kobe, but the comparisons whether or not the sportswriters would say anything, (and they will try to find something to say anyway), should stop.

This is why this guy can't be his own player. He is under Shaq for one, and two, people always compares him to a guy he cannot outdo, along with the fact that he denies trying to emulate the guy, when it is apparent he has and does try.

He is a great player, and very talented (props on his game), but he really is no MJ. He would've been burned by the 89-90 Pistons. Unlikely you say, well if Bruce Bowen (not very strong) could bog him down in a playoff series, he would have no chance against a deep defensive Pistons team.

**Padgoi** · 05-20-2003, 03:16 PM

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HMcCoy said:
MJ and Kobe comparison?.....Padgoi and KDRE are coming like sharks to blood..............

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Here I come. Actually, this comparison is old. Everyone already knows my viewpoints on the subject. Kobe is not MJ nor will he ever be. And for that matter, I dont think anyone will. Case closed.

**Padgoi** · 05-20-2003, 03:16 PM

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HMcCoy said:
MJ and Kobe comparison?.....Padgoi and KDRE are coming like sharks to blood..............

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Here I come. Actually, this comparison is old. Everyone already knows my viewpoints on the subject. Kobe is not MJ nor will he ever be. And for that matter, I dont think anyone will. Case closed.

**Sarah** · 05-20-2003, 04:00 PM

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Bredrin said:
The funny thing is.... had kobe tried to lead the team back into gam six all alone (since he would get no help anyway) , he would have been given every selfish and derogatory title by every sportscaster out there. he would have called arrogant and full of himself and selfish and whatever else they can come up with. Either way the Kid cant win, he was the only laker playing up to standard in that series and he was guarded by possibly the best defender in the league. one had to understand that theres alot that goes through a players mind when the dynasty is about to be over and the offseason is about to start too soon. The impression players leave on the court after that last game could determine their future or credibility in the organization. thats why medvendenko came out firing and kareem and pargo and the rest played hard till the last whistle. Kobe can have all the heart in the world but with no support its useless. Iverson can tell u best.

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Kobe has all the support he can get from Horry, Fox, O'neal and Fisher. His selfish attitude who cares only his points destroys the confedence of his team to score big shots at least. A great player will never be succesful if he won't learn how to make his teamates look great.
Look at Kidd, he makes Jaron Collins look like a star. Jordan before makes Brian Williams looks like a reliable Power Forward. Kerr and B.J Armstrong became famous because of Jordan leadership. Pippen became a part of one of the best player (not greatest) the NBA has.
Rodman became a part of a team rather than an outcast. Luc Longley looks like he could take Shaq any given night.
That is Jordan's leadership. To boost his teams confidence. Because down the wire the defense will choke you to death, and who will be the next option? You guess it right, the supporting players. But if you cannot influnce those players, what they will do is pass the ball back to you and the result is bad shot all over the court.
And then the fans will whine again that Kobe is not getting any help. Most of the NBA players are good basketball players if they will be given opportunity. Who would have expect Tro Hudson? But if one of the leaders will not recognize there talent guess what, you will end up crying again and again and again and again...

In FFFFFRRROOOOONNNNNTTTTTT of MMMIIILLLIIIOOONNNNDD, and MMMIIILLLIIIOONNNSSS of Kobe's fans.

**Sarah** · 05-20-2003, 04:00 PM

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Bredrin said:
The funny thing is.... had kobe tried to lead the team back into gam six all alone (since he would get no help anyway) , he would have been given every selfish and derogatory title by every sportscaster out there. he would have called arrogant and full of himself and selfish and whatever else they can come up with. Either way the Kid cant win, he was the only laker playing up to standard in that series and he was guarded by possibly the best defender in the league. one had to understand that theres alot that goes through a players mind when the dynasty is about to be over and the offseason is about to start too soon. The impression players leave on the court after that last game could determine their future or credibility in the organization. thats why medvendenko came out firing and kareem and pargo and the rest played hard till the last whistle. Kobe can have all the heart in the world but with no support its useless. Iverson can tell u best.

<hr /></blockquote>

Kobe has all the support he can get from Horry, Fox, O'neal and Fisher. His selfish attitude who cares only his points destroys the confedence of his team to score big shots at least. A great player will never be succesful if he won't learn how to make his teamates look great.
Look at Kidd, he makes Jaron Collins look like a star. Jordan before makes Brian Williams looks like a reliable Power Forward. Kerr and B.J Armstrong became famous because of Jordan leadership. Pippen became a part of one of the best player (not greatest) the NBA has.
Rodman became a part of a team rather than an outcast. Luc Longley looks like he could take Shaq any given night.
That is Jordan's leadership. To boost his teams confidence. Because down the wire the defense will choke you to death, and who will be the next option? You guess it right, the supporting players. But if you cannot influnce those players, what they will do is pass the ball back to you and the result is bad shot all over the court.
And then the fans will whine again that Kobe is not getting any help. Most of the NBA players are good basketball players if they will be given opportunity. Who would have expect Tro Hudson? But if one of the leaders will not recognize there talent guess what, you will end up crying again and again and again and again...

In FFFFFRRROOOOONNNNNTTTTTT of MMMIIILLLIIIOOONNNNDD, and MMMIIILLLIIIOONNNSSS of Kobe's fans.

**schindeler** · 05-20-2003, 06:56 PM

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Yo Sarah did u even watch MJ play when he was kobes age. Damn think before you post.

Jordan was the biggest ball hog and would jack up like 30 shots a game. he makes kobe look like jason kidd. MJ didnt trust his teammates till he was 28 and thats when he won championships. Kobe does sometiems force the actions but he does get mroe assists than most guards in teh league. in game 6 he passed up a lot of shots to pass to hsi teammates and you saw how great the lakers did in that game. Kobe will be more mature and know when to be agressive and passive as his career goes on but he is not a ballhog.

**schindeler** · 05-20-2003, 06:56 PM

Re: Kobe is not the next MJ

Yo Sarah did u even watch MJ play when he was kobes age. Damn think before you post.

Jordan was the biggest ball hog and would jack up like 30 shots a game. he makes kobe look like jason kidd. MJ didnt trust his teammates till he was 28 and thats when he won championships. Kobe does sometiems force the actions but he does get mroe assists than most guards in teh league. in game 6 he passed up a lot of shots to pass to hsi teammates and you saw how great the lakers did in that game. Kobe will be more mature and know when to be agressive and passive as his career goes on but he is not a ballhog.

Kobe is not the next MJ

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