What do you think of 20 and over draft idea?

[Bad_Intentions]

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Last night while Mike Tirico was interviewing David Stern the topic of a 20 yr old age limit came up. It's an idea that the NBA is seriously thinking about and i'm wondering what you all think of it.

Personally I think it's a good thing as it'll allow the game to get better with older players coming into the league who have gotten more basketball and life experience. It'll also end the whole spectre of 17-18 yr olds getting HUGE shoe contracts etc etc.


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Sure ..... but before we do that, let's force baseball players to go to college rather than the minor leagues, then lets force woman's tennis stars to wait til after they've played college ball before going pro, then let's tell kid actors that they can only do amateur plays until after they graduate then they can do movies and tv shows. Since we're dictating that college sports must be improved regardless of if a kid wants to go, why stop at entertainment and sports? Lets keep business majors from being allowed to be entrepeneurs, just think how good the computer science program would have been at MIT if Bill Gates was told he could not drop out and go into the private sector. While were trampling rights due to our selfishness, colleges will still dangle scholarships over kids heads each year, coaches will still leave after promising lil Timmy's mom and dad that they would be there for their child, and jerseys with kids names and numbers on them will still sell. Sheesh, the hyppocrasy of those who went to division one colleges.

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Actually this isnt anything being discussed by the NCAA, this is strickly the NBA. Just like the NFL has the same policy. NFL and NBA are privately owned leagues which means they can pretty much set their own rules. In the long term it will make their overall product better. Also these guys arent being forced to go to college, they can go overseas to play ball, then come back here for the draft if they really dont want to go to college.

[toneloc99]

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A age limit is what is needed in the nba. Players way too young coming in and doing nothing for two years, while veterans who can contribute still are sitting on the sidelines waiting for a call. Look at Kwame Brown how good would he be if he went to college and actually got to play, instead of sitting on the pine and looking lost for the past two years.

[toneloc99]

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A age limit is what is needed in the nba. Players way too young coming in and doing nothing for two years, while veterans who can contribute still are sitting on the sidelines waiting for a call. Look at Kwame Brown how good would he be if he went to college and actually got to play, instead of sitting on the pine and looking lost for the past two years.

[RockinDaMike]

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There's way more player who went to college and went to the nba who are jus warming the bench. If the the talent is there, they will play, college or no college.

[RockinDaMike]

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There's way more player who went to college and went to the nba who are jus warming the bench. If the the talent is there, they will play, college or no college.

[driddy]

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Should we tell European players "sorry, I know you are good enough already, but you are 18 so go to one of these colleges, or go back to Europe for a few years"? You guys aren't supporting your arguments, why should NBA fans care if college bball is improved? If a kid is old enough and mature enough to pick up a rifle and take a bullet in the head, then they damn sure are ready to compete with who they choose to.

[driddy]

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Should we tell European players "sorry, I know you are good enough already, but you are 18 so go to one of these colleges, or go back to Europe for a few years"? You guys aren't supporting your arguments, why should NBA fans care if college bball is improved? If a kid is old enough and mature enough to pick up a rifle and take a bullet in the head, then they damn sure are ready to compete with who they choose to.

[Bad_Intentions]

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It's not the main reason of the decision to improve college ball, that is just a fringe benefit. The idea is to improve the nba product. Again the NFL has been using this rule and I dont seem to see anyone complaining about it. I know the nature of the nfl game is different but again the only time this rule has even thought about being challenged is with the Clarett situation. And like you said, talent is talent, so if you are good then what should 2 years of college matter?

[Bad_Intentions]

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It's not the main reason of the decision to improve college ball, that is just a fringe benefit. The idea is to improve the nba product. Again the NFL has been using this rule and I dont seem to see anyone complaining about it. I know the nature of the nfl game is different but again the only time this rule has even thought about being challenged is with the Clarett situation. And like you said, talent is talent, so if you are good then what should 2 years of college matter?

[driddy]

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If you dont want to go to college, why should you? Newsflash, not everyone wants to go to college. If someone wants to play in the NBA, then that should be there goal, not to help some ACC team for a few years while pretending to get an education. College scholarships should be reserved for those who intend to graduate. Not someone who is going to major in general studis for a few years until they get enough attention to go in the NBA lottery.

[driddy]

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If you dont want to go to college, why should you? Newsflash, not everyone wants to go to college. If someone wants to play in the NBA, then that should be there goal, not to help some ACC team for a few years while pretending to get an education. College scholarships should be reserved for those who intend to graduate. Not someone who is going to major in general studis for a few years until they get enough attention to go in the NBA lottery.

[dieselboy]

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Its not like the high school players are polluting the league. If anything a lot of them have become leaders of their team. I mean if they aren't good enough to help a team, why are they drafted?

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Thats an easy answer. They are brought in because of their potential, NOT to be the main guy this season. That will never be the case with a 18year old kid.

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i don't think it's a good rule cause look what LeBron will do for the nba he will reguvenate the cavs and if he went to a few years of uni then there wouldn't be that much hype

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Sure he will rejuvenate the Cav's, bought hes not going to lead him to the NBA Finals this year, or anytime soon. What do you mean his hype won't be as big? Lets say LeBron went to some school in a major conference, and put up #'s in college similar to his HS stats. Huge points, rebounds, steals, assists, etc, filling up the box sxore. Leads his team to the Final Four for 2 seasons, and then decides to go pro. Scouts would be DROOLING over this guy, and he would still be the #1 pick, but now, he could come in, and be really effective.


I think the rule shouldn't be, "You have to be 20 years old to be drafted". I think it should be, "You can not play a regular season NBA game, unless you are 20, or if 19, you will be turning 20 sometime during the season".

Something like that. And I would only support my own idea if the NBDL got popular. For example, this year, LeBron would be #1, he could show people what hes about in the minor leagues, learn the Cav's offense, get introduced to the speed of NBA ball, and work on his jump shot. Then in 2 years, he could be ready right away to take control, and play.

Honestly though, the more I think about it, my opinion sways..
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Should we tell European players "sorry, I know you are good enough already, but you are 18 so go to one of these colleges, or go back to Europe for a few years"?

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Thats where the NBDL part would come in, because Euro players are not gonna be attending major universities.

Its a tough argument, especially when someone like Stoudamire comes in, helps his team out of the bottom of the west, gels well with Starbury and Marion, wins ROY, and has a great season..... at 18.

I don't have all the answers, and it doesn't matter, leave the decision making up to the head guys. And whatever the decision turns out to be, people are gonna be upset, either way, its just how it goes.

[dieselboy]

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Its not like the high school players are polluting the league. If anything a lot of them have become leaders of their team. I mean if they aren't good enough to help a team, why are they drafted?

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Thats an easy answer. They are brought in because of their potential, NOT to be the main guy this season. That will never be the case with a 18year old kid.

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i don't think it's a good rule cause look what LeBron will do for the nba he will reguvenate the cavs and if he went to a few years of uni then there wouldn't be that much hype

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Sure he will rejuvenate the Cav's, bought hes not going to lead him to the NBA Finals this year, or anytime soon. What do you mean his hype won't be as big? Lets say LeBron went to some school in a major conference, and put up #'s in college similar to his HS stats. Huge points, rebounds, steals, assists, etc, filling up the box sxore. Leads his team to the Final Four for 2 seasons, and then decides to go pro. Scouts would be DROOLING over this guy, and he would still be the #1 pick, but now, he could come in, and be really effective.


I think the rule shouldn't be, "You have to be 20 years old to be drafted". I think it should be, "You can not play a regular season NBA game, unless you are 20, or if 19, you will be turning 20 sometime during the season".

Something like that. And I would only support my own idea if the NBDL got popular. For example, this year, LeBron would be #1, he could show people what hes about in the minor leagues, learn the Cav's offense, get introduced to the speed of NBA ball, and work on his jump shot. Then in 2 years, he could be ready right away to take control, and play.

Honestly though, the more I think about it, my opinion sways..
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Should we tell European players "sorry, I know you are good enough already, but you are 18 so go to one of these colleges, or go back to Europe for a few years"?

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Thats where the NBDL part would come in, because Euro players are not gonna be attending major universities.

Its a tough argument, especially when someone like Stoudamire comes in, helps his team out of the bottom of the west, gels well with Starbury and Marion, wins ROY, and has a great season..... at 18.

I don't have all the answers, and it doesn't matter, leave the decision making up to the head guys. And whatever the decision turns out to be, people are gonna be upset, either way, its just how it goes.

[Bad_Intentions]

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If you dont want to go to college, why should you? Newsflash, not everyone wants to go to college. If someone wants to play in the NBA, then that should be there goal, not to help some ACC team for a few years while pretending to get an education. College scholarships should be reserved for those who intend to graduate. Not someone who is going to major in general studis for a few years until they get enough attention to go in the NBA lottery.

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No one is "forcing" anyone to go to college! Again, the NFL has been using this rule for a while now. Lets say a guy doesnt wanna go to college but wants to play pro football..oh well, go play in the areana league until he's old enough to try out. Who knows, maybe some of these guys get to college and figure out that they're not as hot stuff as they thought, maybe some of these guys get to college and actually like it...and stay and finish their educations. It's not like the average graduation rate for college bball players is high as it is. Alot of them do have majors such as gen. studies and most are not even graduating so most of these scholarships are being wasted. Hell, at NC State they all but forbid you to play on the basketball team and have an engineering major.

[Bad_Intentions]

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If you dont want to go to college, why should you? Newsflash, not everyone wants to go to college. If someone wants to play in the NBA, then that should be there goal, not to help some ACC team for a few years while pretending to get an education. College scholarships should be reserved for those who intend to graduate. Not someone who is going to major in general studis for a few years until they get enough attention to go in the NBA lottery.

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No one is "forcing" anyone to go to college! Again, the NFL has been using this rule for a while now. Lets say a guy doesnt wanna go to college but wants to play pro football..oh well, go play in the areana league until he's old enough to try out. Who knows, maybe some of these guys get to college and figure out that they're not as hot stuff as they thought, maybe some of these guys get to college and actually like it...and stay and finish their educations. It's not like the average graduation rate for college bball players is high as it is. Alot of them do have majors such as gen. studies and most are not even graduating so most of these scholarships are being wasted. Hell, at NC State they all but forbid you to play on the basketball team and have an engineering major.