AI/Grizzlies agree to terminate contract

[o_capone]

Re: Guess who already sounds upset in Memphis

man... is it a coincidence that right when iverson gets takin out they lose control of the game? lol...

[J.R. Locke]

Re: Guess who already sounds upset in Memphis

Right now I yank Conley and go with AI....which is what Lionel did.

I like Conley you don't. I guess we disagree. But just because Conley is the starting PG doesn't mean Iverson can't play big minutes and help this team win. That I think we agree with.

[o_capone]

Re: Guess who already sounds upset in Memphis

thank God he put Iverson back in! get to go to the half only down 1...

13 points, 6 assist, 3 rebounds... great half for AI

-13 with Conley in, +10 with Iverson in...

[o_capone]

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the coach is on drugs... iverson, 2 rookies, a d-league player, and marc gasol... is he not trying to win?????? why would you EVER go with that lineup in the 4th quarter...

[J.R. Locke]

Re: Guess who already sounds upset in Memphis

the coach is on drugs... iverson, 2 rookies, a d-league player, and marc gasol... is he not trying to win?????? why would you EVER go with that lineup in the 4th quarter...

Sounds like most lineups in the 12-8 minute marks in the 4th. I would rather see Mayo with that group then bring Iverson back in with 6 minutes left and run him with the starters.

3:00 minutes left down 10 can the Grizz make a run?

[o_capone]

Re: Guess who already sounds upset in Memphis

Sounds like most lineups in the 12-8 minute marks in the 4th. I would rather see Mayo with that group then bring Iverson back in with 6 minutes left and run him with the starters.

3:00 minutes left down 10 can the Grizz make a run?

morrow killed them in the 3rd... they aint been able to bounce back...

[J.R. Locke]

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morrow killed them in the 3rd... they aint been able to bounce back...

Yup. Ellis was too much down the stretch too. He is a tough guard though. Top 5 quickest dude in the league.

[HMcCoy]

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Iverson is a fool if he thinks any player can come to a new team, participate in little to no camp, and fresh off an injury be thrown into the starting linup and get major minutes from day 1. Thats ludicrous.

I do think the fact that Iverson wasn't persued this off-season exagerates his supposed diminished skills, tho. That was more about his weaknesses (defense, team play) making him a bad fit for the few teams with real title hopes, and his personality being a bad fit for the rest, all hoarding cap space and grooming young talent. Iversons on the court ability hasn't fallen off that much...his particular skill set just hit a down market.

I came in to post what Stumble linked though. This is all on Heisley, IMO. Iversons future role should have been agreed upon by the organization, and laid out to him from the jump. Also, after the hammy setback, Hollins should have done a better job communicating with Iverson about exactly how he would be worked into the lineup. It seems that AI's minutes and role haven't been dictated to him at any point, which is ridiculous considering the Grizz held all the cards and had nothing to be afraid of. AI has an intimidating personality but the Grizz needed to grow some balls and clearly define what's what before they signed him. Now they got a mess, cuz he obviously expected to be handled like a cornerstone player on this team.

[o_capone]

Re: Guess who already sounds upset in Memphis

I wonder what Iverson will have to say tonight after playing 27 minutes. Zach Randolph was the only player with a better +/- on the team. Mike Conley finished -17, worst on the team. Conley also shot 3-10. Mayo had an off night too, but eh that's OJ Mayo.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Iverson is a fool if he thinks any player can come to a new team, participate in little to no camp, and fresh off an injury be thrown into the starting linup and get major minutes from day 1. Thats ludicrous.

I do think the fact that Iverson wasn't persued this off-season exagerates his supposed diminished skills, tho. That was more about his weaknesses (defense, team play) making him a bad fit for the few teams with real title hopes, and his personality being a bad fit for the rest, all hoarding cap space and grooming young talent. Iversons on the court ability hasn't fallen off that much...his particular skill set just hit a down market.

I came in to post what Stumble linked though. This is all on Heisley, IMO. Iversons future role should have been agreed upon by the organization, and laid out to him from the jump. Also, after the hammy setback, Hollins should have done a better job communicating with Iverson about exactly how he would be worked into the lineup. It seems that AI's minutes and role haven't been dictated to him at any point, which is ridiculous considering the Grizz held all the cards and had nothing to be afraid of. AI has an intimidating personality but the Grizz needed to grow some balls and clearly define what's what before they signed him. Now they got a mess, cuz he obviously expected to be handled like a cornerstone player on this team.

I don't agree with you that the fact that Iverson wasn't courted by many teams exaggerates his diminished value.

That's like an oxymoron. The fact that he hasn't tuned his game or has tweaked his attitude speaks volumes. No winning team wants the player Iverson is today. He can score.. so what? There's an abundance of those guys out there. The style Iverson plays simply isn't winning basketball. It worked several years back, sure.

Even when AI was in Denver and "putting up numbers", nobody feared the Nuggets. Not in the least bit.

I don't know how many times I've said that about this subject but I figured I'd mention it one more time.

[HMcCoy]

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I don't agree with you that the fact that Iverson wasn't courted by many teams exaggerates his diminished value.

That's like an oxymoron. The fact that he hasn't tuned his game or has tweaked his attitude speaks volumes. No winning team wants the player Iverson is today. He can score.. so what? There's an abundance of those guys out there. The style Iverson plays simply isn't winning basketball. It worked several years back, sure.

Even when AI was in Denver and "putting up numbers", nobody feared the Nuggets. Not in the least bit.

I don't know how many times I've said that about this subject but I figured I'd mention it one more time.

I hear you, mang.

I'm just saying that that he hasn't changed. He's always been that guy. He's always been a chucker. Always shot a low FG%...even worse in the playoffs. He's always been selfish. Always been a mediocre, gambling defender. You say it worked back in the day...I disagree. It never really worked outside of one really great year when everything fell right for Philly.

He's never played "winning" basketball.

And yet, even with those glaring weaknesses he's still been one of the most popular, respected players in this league. Even with his faults, he was exciting, tough...had the swag. In his prime the 6'ers simply accepted it (and the revenue he created) and built the best team they could around those deficiencies. B-ball math simply states that you can't do the same thing with a 34 year old. That doesn't mean he suddenly blows. Yeah, it would be a nice story if the grizzled warrior matured into a wise old vet...but the fact that he didn't doesn't mean his on court skillz have turned into chopped liver overnight.

He hasn't fallen that far off, most teams have simply decided that his act is no longer unique, and that his negatives are no longer an acceptable hit. There's a difference...and to say those things make him a terrible, washed up player now is flat out hypocritical unless you've been damning his game for over a decade. Again, the market for an AI went into the crapper...not AI himself.

[Bornindamecca]

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^^^Two great posts.

Thing I'd like to tack on to Hmac's point; everyone knowledgeable knew that his game was going to have to expand. It didn't. That's the real issue. People would still be in the market for his skills if he agreed to marginalize them within a team capacity. Eddie House, Jamal Crawford, Ben Gordon, Flip Murray--these are all guys with a similar role to what Iverson should have, and could have on a winning team. But he wants to be a STAR, and thinks he's above being a roleplayer.

And he has clearly lost a step. When people say he has fallen off, they don't mean it in the sense that he is a wholly ineffective basketball player, but he used to be the fastest guy in the league, period. Right now we could have a really long debate about who is the quickest guy in the league, but when AI was in his prime, the debate was about whether he himself was the quickest guy EVER. Obviously he is no longer at that point. The difference between him and everyone else is his brain has not expanded while has athleticism fades.

He hasn't worked on his jumper(which is worse), his passing or his positional defense.

[tehova]

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The rotations Hollins ran last night are the exact ones I run on 2k10. Iverson ends up right 28-29 minutes a night and playing over Conley down the stretch. Don't see how this even is gonna be a topic after last night after it came out that the owner told the coach to monitor his minutes during the first game. I'm sure Iverson wasn't told about it, but that's besides the point.

Iverson gets minutes we can just about close this up, we have had at least 3 topics detailing the flaws in his game. Now he is back to just another player you don't have to worry about.

Nothing to see here.

*puts up police tape*

[JBH3]

Re: Guess who already sounds upset in Memphis

This thread was a decent discussion till here.

Post #34

I say we push to have o_capone banned from AI threads.

He's mostly a one-man army.

[stateprop]

Re: Guess who already sounds upset in Memphis

come on man, you are saying MICHAEL CONLEY, this guy who has never done anything in the NBA, this guy who will most likely never be a star in this league and is LUCKY if he continues to even start, is better than Allen Iverson.

that is insane, if you root for Iverson and want him to succeed there is no way you should be under-rating him like you are...

OJ Mayo is 10 times better than Conley, and people can't even say Mayo is better than Iverson at this point in his career so how can you say Conley is better?

Michael Conley is in the bottom 5 as far as starting point guards in this league...

Well Conley is still young and only his third year, he never really play alot in his first year. And of course Conley isnt better than Iverson but you want this player to grow right. I mean they drafted him high. As much Iverson is my fav player, but he will hurt conley growth. Conley is suppose to start, we dont know if this guy is going to blossom into a decent PG. By having Iverson ur setting him back in development because he want conley starting job. Memphis was stupid to sign Iverson, they did to bring in the money and now its hurting Chemistry and setting COnley back if he comes off the bench.

And can you really blame Iverson, Memphis knows about the piston situation. If you bring him in, he expects to start no if or but. So basically Iverson got lied to again. No wonder why Memphis sucks. Damn Dallas yall should of pick up Iverson. Iverson and Kidd in the backcourt i mean come on.