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  • jnofx
    My Head Hurts
    • Apr 2009
    • 975

    #316
    Re: Guess who already sounds upset in Memphis

    Originally posted by DC
    ^ So instead of bad mouthing the coaching decision to the media, why didn't he take the mature route and talk to the coach (who he STILL has yet to speak with; not saying it is his fault) one-on-one as a man?

    Exactly.

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    • Rocky
      All Star
      • Jul 2002
      • 6896

      #317
      Re: Guess who already sounds upset in Memphis

      Originally posted by DC
      ^ So instead of bad mouthing the coaching decision to the media, why didn't he take the mature route and talk to the coach (who he STILL has yet to speak with; not saying it is his fault) one-on-one as a man?
      You're right. I definitely don't agree with that. However, there is plenty of blame to go around. Iverson has been around a long time. He knows the most effective way to bring about change is through the media. Don't agree with it however.
      "Maybe I can't win. But to beat me, he's going to have to kill me. And to kill me, he's gonna have to have the heart to stand in front of me. And to do that, he's got to be willing to die himself. I don't know if he's ready to do that."
      -Rocky Balboa

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      • DC
        Hall Of Fame
        • Oct 2002
        • 17996

        #318
        Re: Guess who already sounds upset in Memphis

        Well that is ALL we are trying to say. We are saying it was an IMMATURE decision by a 13 year vet. WHY is he STILL acting this way is the problem we have with him. NOTHING FURTHER.
        Concrete evidence/videos please

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        • Brankles
          Banned
          • May 2003
          • 5113

          #319
          Re: Guess who already sounds upset in Memphis

          Originally posted by DC
          Well that is ALL we are trying to say. We are saying it was an IMMATURE decision by a 13 year vet. WHY is he STILL acting this way is the problem we have with him. NOTHING FURTHER.
          100% correct. That's the point of this thread.

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          • TheMatrix31
            RF
            • Jul 2002
            • 52908

            #320
            Re: Guess who already sounds upset in Memphis

            I can't wait for Allen Iverson to retire.

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            • P2K
              Banned
              • Aug 2006
              • 8845

              #321
              Re: Guess who already sounds upset in Memphis

              Originally posted by Rocky
              You're right. I definitely don't agree with that. However, there is plenty of blame to go around. Iverson has been around a long time. He knows the most effective way to bring about change is through the media. Don't agree with it however.
              Which is weird because the one thing AI never did before was air dirty laundry to the press. Why the change now?

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              • o_capone
                Banned
                • Apr 2009
                • 1270

                #322
                Re: Guess who already sounds upset in Memphis

                Do you guys not realize that Hollins has said publicly he won't have a private talk with Allen Iverson? He said he has no reason to talk to Allen Iverson. That is even more disrespectful then what Iverson did. A player has an issue and a coach is saying he won't even talk to him about it.

                "I think that's probably the worst part of all this," Iverson said after the loss to the Lakers. "That while all this is going on, we have never talked to each other. That's probably why it's at this point right now. We've just never had a conversation, so it's probably going to always be hard for me and him to see eye-to-eye, because we've never even talked to each other. Obviously that's what you do if you're trying to accomplish the same goal."
                I read the quote earlier where Hollins said he won't have a private talk with Iverson. Then later he says he can talk before or after a game. I can't find that stuff tho...
                Last edited by o_capone; 11-08-2009, 12:45 AM.

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                • jnofx
                  My Head Hurts
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 975

                  #323
                  Re: Guess who already sounds upset in Memphis

                  Originally posted by o_capone
                  Do you guys not realize that Hollins has said publicly he won't have a private talk with Allen Iverson? He said he has no reason to talk to Allen Iverson. That is even more disrespectful then what Iverson did. A player has an issue and a coach is saying he won't even talk to him about it.

                  He's saying that he doesn't need to talk to AI in the context that "there's no problem, why do we need to talk about it?" in an effort to play it off and keep things running smoothly. Not in the context of disrespecting Allen. At least that's how I read it.

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                  • o_capone
                    Banned
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 1270

                    #324
                    Re: Guess who already sounds upset in Memphis

                    Originally posted by jnofx
                    He's saying that he doesn't need to talk to AI in the context that "there's no problem, why do we need to talk about it?" in an effort to play it off and keep things running smoothly. Not in the context of disrespecting Allen. At least that's how I read it.
                    Of course he gets the benefit of the doubt lol... The way Hollins has talked about this situation has been very disrespectful.

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                    • jnofx
                      My Head Hurts
                      • Apr 2009
                      • 975

                      #325
                      Re: Guess who already sounds upset in Memphis

                      Well, I've never followed the Grizzlies, but I have followed the Answer. That's why I'm giving Coach the benefit of the doubt.

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                      • J.R. Locke
                        Banned
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 4137

                        #326
                        Re: Guess who already sounds upset in Memphis

                        Originally posted by o_capone
                        Of course he gets the benefit of the doubt lol... The way Hollins has talked about this situation has been very disrespectful.
                        Actually Hollins said his door was always open if AI wanted to come talk to him. He said he talks to him before, during and after the game.

                        The fact of the matter is Iverson feels disrespected by the world. Lionel Hollins lives in this world therefore Lionel Hollins has disrespected Allen Iverson.

                        As Mike Smith mentioned on the Clippers broadcast it would be a shame if Iverson doesn't ever play in the NBA again.....he is close to joining Steph Marbury in players who retired/quit to early land.

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                        • Streets
                          Supreme
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 5787

                          #327
                          Re: Guess who already sounds upset in Memphis

                          Originally posted by jnofx
                          There is no longer any defense for Iverson's actions anymore. Sixers became a playoff team without him, Denver vastly improved by shipping him out, and all he's doing in Memphis is bitching and taking away key developmental minutes from their young backcourt without doing any 'mentoring' whatsoever. Granted, I'm not there to watch the practice and can't comment on how much teaching he's actually doing to the young guys, but considering his comments and attitude, I'm pretty sure it's slim to none. Why doesn't he just go to Europe or something? He could have the spotlight for about a month until they realize how far past his prime he is.
                          "Do we want to develop kids or do we want to win basketball games?"

                          I'm not so sure there's a lot of mentoring going on.

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                          • jnofx
                            My Head Hurts
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 975

                            #328
                            Re: Guess who already sounds upset in Memphis

                            Lol, thanks for the clarification on that. Allen is just a class act.

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                            • KENYON06
                              Pro
                              • Dec 2004
                              • 890

                              #329
                              Re: Guess who already sounds upset in Memphis

                              Originally posted by o_capone

                              Iverson does not run around dribbling for 18 seconds, but I have heard SEVERAL Iverson haters make these types of comments that just shows their lack of knowledge about the man's game...
                              ..............my post went over your head the second time around too..

                              The post I was responding to was about Chauncey Billups' decision making compared to Iversons, that was the thing I thought you would have gleaned from it... The 18 seconds thing was a bit of an exaggeration, as was the post I was responding to.

                              I used to like the guy, too.

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                              • Rocky
                                All Star
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 6896

                                #330
                                Re: Guess who already sounds upset in Memphis

                                Originally posted by P2K
                                Which is weird because the one thing AI never did before was air dirty laundry to the press. Why the change now?
                                I don't know. Maybe he was just fed up.

                                I'm not defending Iverson's actions. I'm just agreeing with his motive and logic. The guy has a point.

                                Who knows? Maybe he wakes up and accepts the fact that he is a sixth man on a contender.
                                "Maybe I can't win. But to beat me, he's going to have to kill me. And to kill me, he's gonna have to have the heart to stand in front of me. And to do that, he's got to be willing to die himself. I don't know if he's ready to do that."
                                -Rocky Balboa

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