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Re: Guess who already sounds upset in Memphis
as a 6th man, he at least deserve 30 min a game.GamerTag - Swt James Jones
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Re: Guess who already sounds upset in Memphis
Some of you seem to always forget that Nene, kMart, and Birdman were 3 players that either weren't healthy for long stretches of the season or playoffs(KMart/Nene) or weren't even on the team(Birdman) when a.i. was there. Those 3 bigs present and healthy for the majority of the season were a HUGE reason why the nuggets were so successful last year. Also Melo putting in more work on the defensive end along with Chauncy B. played a big part as well.
I also like how winning 50 games means nothing when in fact you don't get to the playoffs unless you can win in the regular season. Was Kobe not playing winning basketball when he was bearly winning 40+ games trying to get the lakeshow to the playoffs pre-Gasol and post-Shaq?
Championships are about more than one player. It's about a whole unit. All these myths and hyperbole about one man getting it done is laughable. No one player can win it by himself. MJ couldn't do it. LeBron won't do it without it, Kobe and Wade didn't accomplish it without it. The idea that a.i. doesn't play "winning basketball" (what ever that means) is funny. He is a scorer. He puts pressure on the d with his offensive skill. That's what he came in the league doing. That's why he was drafted. That's what he has done his entire career. Now people expect the guy to just turn into anthony johnson and except a role. As if Melo, Wade, LeBron, CP3 would be so excepting of such treatment once they've been in the league as long as a.i.
With the exception of Jim Brown and Barry Sanders, the greats in any sport usually play until they can't play or they just aren't as good as they once were. The only knock I have on a.i. is he has yet to really work on other parts of his game. If you are going to go that route though you can say the same thing about Shaq as he has never really expanded his game and has relied on his quickness/athletic skills and strength most of his career. Now in his later years you are seeing the effects of a player who did not really nurture his game in other areas. he is still good but...........
IMO a.i. is a true sg and putting him anywhere else is a mistake. He should have went to the bobcats as he knows Larry Brown and Larry knows him if that option was available. he also could have started at the two there imo with no problems.
Born-I'm not talking specifically about you Born so don't take everything in my post that way(some of it is though). Just piggybacking your post man.Last edited by NINJAK2; 11-05-2009, 08:28 PM.EA and 2k have the unfortunate task of trying to balance on a tightrope of fun and sim while trying not to fall 10,000 feet to their death. Instead of a safety net waiting down below there will just be angry customers quick to move out of the way and talk of their failure.Comment
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Ninja, I'm not going to go point for point, because I think that has been a distracting element in this thread. Instead, let's address the main issue.
Iverson wants to win a championship. In today's NBA(meaning no crazy hypotheticals, just hypotheticals dealing with our current rosters and situations), what team and role do you see Iverson playing to get a ring?Comment
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I think he wants to do two things Born. He wants to win and he wants to be a major catalyst for the winning as well. He is not going the Glove route and trying to gravy train a ring. The Glove just wanted a ring and didn't care how he got it. A.I. does. He has his terms and that's that. Call it selfish but it is what it is. He never depended on anyone to do things for him and that's his mindset. If he wins or loses he wants to be able to say it was his fault and not have to wonder what would have happend if he was out there. Believe me that any Alpha male superstar thinks like that.
To answer your question A.I.'s role is to score points and mix in an assist here and there. His role is to put pressure on the d with his skill set. That's always been his role. He is drastically undersized at the SG but I feel that is his best spot on the floor. He is not Steve Blake and can't play that kind of role of picking your spots. None of the big 5-could use him in that capacity imo (LAL,ORL,CELTS,Spurs,Nuggets) as they are either set or have blossoming talent. Cavs might have worked, but with Mo at the PG they would be giving up too much size in the backcourt imo. Imo the Cavs needed to get more athletic and LeBron needs someone other than himself who can attack the D and give him some space.
Personally I thought he could have played for a team like the Mavs. He could have started at the two there imo. They had a big pg in kidd who could switch and guard his man leaving ivy to defend the pg(Kidd also is not one to complain about getting shots imo). Terry/Howard/Marion were used to reserve roles so either would be be cool coming off the bench. He could of helped them alot imo. Out of the routine playoff teams that was probably his best alternative. I'm done B.Last edited by NINJAK2; 11-05-2009, 09:16 PM.EA and 2k have the unfortunate task of trying to balance on a tightrope of fun and sim while trying not to fall 10,000 feet to their death. Instead of a safety net waiting down below there will just be angry customers quick to move out of the way and talk of their failure.Comment
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What exactly are ya'll arguing over now?#RespectTheCultureComment
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Thread should've been closed a long time ago because it's just been the same stuff being rehashed all over and over again.#RespectTheCultureComment
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We are not arguing PPM. We are just discussing something with maturity imo and without name calling. If Born or my posts are the one's that prompted you to ask that question in this thread, I don't know man. There was a heck of lot worse posted here.EA and 2k have the unfortunate task of trying to balance on a tightrope of fun and sim while trying not to fall 10,000 feet to their death. Instead of a safety net waiting down below there will just be angry customers quick to move out of the way and talk of their failure.Comment
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i think the word he meant to use was debating... there is no flaming or anything going on...Comment
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My bad, debating was the word I meant to use. My fault, fellasl#RespectTheCultureComment
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Agreed. And for the record, when I was thinking about destinations for Iverson during the off season, Dallas did cross my mind. Thing is, they have Jason Terry there and I do have some concern about what he would do to their half court defense. Still, it's something with pros and cons. The other team I thought of is the Cavs, which I debate in my head for the same reasons. Chicago and Toronto also offer interesting possibilities.Comment
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Taking Ivy's best year in Denver (07-08; 50 Wins). Iverson was 9th in the league in assists per gm w/ 7. He also avg'd 3 turnovers/gm.
You're right guards like Paul, Nash, Deron, and Kidd avg'd no more than 3.6 turnovers per gm. However, they were also dishing out 3 more assists per gm than Iverson.
Iverson, for all his playmaking glory, was 8th among SGs in 2007-08 in assists to turnover ratio. Marko Jaric, Charlie Bell, and DeShawn Stevenson were more efficient passing the ball. Brandon Roy, Kirk Hinrich, and Jason Terry were the best at the position.
In fact...Jose Calderon in 2007-08 had 5 assists for every turnover avg'ing 8/gm and shooting 52% from the field, 40% from 3, and 90% from FT. He'd probably would've been no worse than Iverson on defense too!
What does all this mean you ask?
(1) Iverson is not a PG
(2) His ability to create for others after a poor 08-09 is no better than middle-of-the-pack at the SG position.
(3) Given #1 and #2 and the fact there are better options on Memphis for the 1/2. Options who can score more efficiently (Mayo) and commit to defense (Conley). Iverson should be coming off the bench.
Wow. For a second, just looking at the avatar, I was like "dang...o_capone finally gets it!"...then I see the name says nogster.
Last edited by JBH3; 11-05-2009, 10:06 PM.Originally posted by Edmund BurkeComment
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