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  • Laettner32
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    • Jul 2002
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    #151
    Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

    Originally posted by Cebby
    He clearly is not.

    If he was still a worthwhile player, he'd be playing for a good team.

    He's not good enough to be what he once was on a Memphis, Sactown, or New Jersey and he sure as hell isn't structured or willing to be a 20 MPG player on Cleveland, LA, SA, Boston, or Orlando.



    Congrats

    You have shown sufficient evidence that Allen Iverson cannot carry bad teams to a championship. Nobody else can either.
    Huh?

    You're saying Team USA was a "bad team"?

    I mean...how silly is that?

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    • bkrich83
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      #152
      Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

      Originally posted by Jukeman
      Not to mention, he's been playing injured his whole career...


      Most of AI's shots are from close range...
      That doesn't matter though. If you are putting up 23 shots a game, and converting on 42% of them, no matter the situation, some may label you a chucker.

      Whether he's less than 6 foot, or hurt, or whatever doesn't change that.
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      • Jukeman
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        #153
        Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

        Originally posted by bkrich83
        That doesn't matter though. If you are putting up 23 shots a game, and converting on 42% of them, no matter the situation, some may label you a chucker.

        Whether he's less than 6 foot, or hurt, or whatever doesn't change that.
        On a Sixers team that had no scoring options...It wasnt like AI was not passing out of shots, thats where his 6 apg comes from...So yea, Iverson was a chucker...
        Last edited by Jukeman; 11-26-2009, 05:24 PM.

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        • bkrich83
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          #154
          Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

          Originally posted by Jukeman
          On sixers team that haf no scoring...And it aint like he wasnt passing out of shoots, thats where his 6 apg comes from...yup Iverson was a chucker...
          Did I say he was a chucker? I said I can see why people would call him that.

          6 APG, on a team where the ball was constantly in his hands? That proves what?

          It's amazing what people will say to defend certain players.
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          • Po Pimp
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            • Jan 2005
            • 2252

            #155
            Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

            Originally posted by Muzyk23
            I don't if you are under 6 feet and constantly shooting over taller defenders, can't dunk too often or post up

            or if you are the no 1 offensive option on your team 95% of time and sometimes have to bail a team out with a tough shot

            it doesn't mean he did not take bad shots but who does all the time
            This. Iverson took a lot of shots, that is true. However, the shots he took for the most part were shots he wanted to take; off the dribble and into his spot. Kobe has taken ill advised shots such as fade away 3-pointers over 2 defenders. T-Mac would pull up for a 3pt with 20 seconds left on the shot clock.

            Some of those FG attempts are inflated due to the fact that he might bail out his team when the shot clock went off, or he drove to the hole looking for contact and a foul wasn't called. They often said that Iverson and Shaq are the two most difficult players to officiate in the league due to the amount of contact they receive EVERY play. They can't call EVERY single foul, so they pick their spots.

            Originally posted by Laettner32
            Huh?

            You're saying Team USA was a "bad team"?

            I mean...how silly is that?
            True, we feel like USA basketball is the best around, but the talent was nowhere near the level it was in previous years. We didn't even have the same team that went to camp because some players pulled out due to injury, and some were simply not interested. Iverson and Duncan played well, but we had no outside shooting. The team as a whole was poorly constructed, and Wade, James, and Anthony were coming off their rookie season and didn't play much under Coach Brown. Even if you look at that 2000 team, it was obvious the world was catching up to us (I think we won the gold medal game by 3 points), but we did nothing due to our arrogance.

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            • Jukeman
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              #156
              Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

              Originally posted by bkrich83
              Did I say he was a chucker? I said I can see why people would call him that.

              6 APG, on a team where the ball was constantly in his hands? That proves what?

              It's amazing what people will say to defend certain players.
              Kobe, LeBron, Wade...All dominates the ball...How many apg do they average...That agruement is weak just like the "people will say anything to defend him" statement thats so popular in these AI threads...Almost equal to "*****"...

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              • Laettner32
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                #157
                Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

                Originally posted by Jukeman
                Kobe, LeBron, Wade...All dominates the ball...How many apg do they average...That agruement is weak just like the "people will say anything to defend him" statement thats so popular in these AI threads...Almost equal to "*****"...
                But Kobe and Wade have rings.

                And LJ doesn't, but he is on the Mt. Rushmore of current NBA players. AI isn't.

                AI had 14 years to show his body of work, LJ is still early in his career.

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                • Admiral50
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                  • Aug 2002
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                  #158
                  Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

                  Also, for those that watched as many Sixers games as I did, you would remember scrubs like Snow and McKie often throwing the ball to AI with 1 or 2 seconds left on the clock and saying 'score for us'...

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                  • Muzyk23
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                    • Feb 2003
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                    #159
                    Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

                    The 2000-2001 season and run to the finals were the best basketball related moments I've experienced in my life.

                    I loved that Sixers team. Larry Brown, Pat Croce (the guy that really conected with AI). Young Ratliff, Hill, Lynch, McKie, Snow, Geiger etc. Defense, heart, passion. I remember the 10-0 start. I remember Sixers being the underdogs, probably the best defensive team in the league, leading the league in steals. in transition points, remember their matchups with Pacers, the time when they finally beat them. I remember beating T-Mac 3:1 and a playoff record of 9 steals in a game. Remember the 50 point games against Raptors. Remeber Bucks trying to physically intimidate AI and not succeeding. Remember the Game 1 win that shocked the world and 48 points in his first Finals game.
                    Last edited by Muzyk23; 11-26-2009, 06:15 PM.
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                    • candiasis
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                      #160
                      Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

                      Originally posted by Laettner32
                      But Kobe and Wade have rings.

                      And LJ doesn't, but he is on the Mt. Rushmore of current NBA players. AI isn't.

                      AI had 14 years to show his body of work, LJ is still early in his career.
                      Kobe and wade had shaq in his prime (well maybe he was a little on the decline with wade), anyways he was averaging 7 assists a game in denver iirc and at the end there in philly. Assists aren't easy to accumulate, you have to work to earn them, and they're harder to get on bad teams.
                      Last edited by candiasis; 11-26-2009, 08:47 PM.

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                      • Cebby
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                        • Apr 2005
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                        #161
                        Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

                        Originally posted by Laettner32
                        Huh?

                        You're saying Team USA was a "bad team"?

                        I mean...how silly is that?
                        Team USA was great on names, but aside from AI and Duncan, it was a team made up of incredibly young and/or mediocre players.

                        Of the 12 American All NBA players in 2003-2004, we sent 2 to the Olympics.

                        For comparison, the Dream Team had the entire first and second All NBA team aside from Tim Hardaway plus Bird and Magic. The Redeem Team had 9 All NBA players in 08 or 09, plus Kidd, Redd, and Prince.

                        The 2004 team would have dominated in 2008, but in 2004 it was a pretty weak team.

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                        • bkrich83
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                          #162
                          Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

                          Originally posted by Jukeman
                          Kobe, LeBron, Wade...All dominates the ball...How many apg do they average...That agruement is weak just like the "people will say anything to defend him" statement thats so popular in these AI threads...Almost equal to "*****"...
                          Kobe is between 5.1 and 6.9 for the last 12 years.

                          Lebron has a career average of 6.8

                          Wade is 6.6, what is your point?
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                          • Jukeman
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                            #163
                            Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

                            Originally posted by bkrich83
                            Kobe is between 5.1 and 6.9 for the last 12 years.

                            Lebron has a career average of 6.8

                            Wade is 6.6, what is your point?
                            Kobe is a career 4.6...

                            Iverson is a career 6.2...



                            What was your point? They all have around the same average..

                            You made the statement like guys who dominate tge ball put up waaay more assist than AI....

                            Anyways assist are subjective...Most likely AI's assist are actual assist because they come from dish outs

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                            • bkrich83
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                              #164
                              Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

                              Originally posted by Jukeman
                              Kobe is a career 4.6...

                              Iverson is a career 6.2...



                              What was your point? They all have around the same average..

                              You made the statement like guys who dominate tge ball put up waaay more assist than AI....

                              Anyways assist are subjective...Most likely AI's assist are actual assist because they come from dish outs

                              Where did I say anything remotely like guys who dominate the ball have way more assists than Iverson?

                              I said Iverson avg'd 6 assists per game, he should have the ball was in his hands all the time. No where did I say anything about people like that averaging more assists than him. I certainly didn't say anything about waaay more.. I didn't think what I posted was that complicated.

                              You think Lebron, Wade and Kobe don't have a ton of dish out assists either?

                              Read what I write, then post.
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                              • Jukeman
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                                #165
                                Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

                                Originally posted by bkrich83
                                Did I say he was a chucker? I said I can see why people would call him that.

                                6 APG, on a team where the ball was constantly in his hands? That proves what?

                                It's amazing what people will say to defend certain players.
                                yet, Jordan who dominated the ball more, only averaged 6+apg 3 times in his career vs AI's 10...

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