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  • ex carrabba fan
    I'll thank him for you
    • Oct 2004
    • 32744

    #31
    Re: Chris Paul wants out?

    Originally posted by ParisB
    sounds nice in theory, but on a pure basketball perspective, the point guard is the least valuable position in the triangle. If the Lakers add CP3 but give up a Bynum and/or Odom, they become weaker. Simple as that. Offense isn't their problem, it would then be lack of size/girth in the paint and we saw what happened in '08 when they had Turiaf in there.

    If the Lakers stray away from the triangle, it also takes away a lot of their strengths (Gasol is the perfect player for this, and Kobe is better suited for it at this stage of his career).
    You act as if Phil wouldn't have variances and wrinkles for a guy like Paul.

    You wouldn't even see them run the triangle at times, hell Kobe already takes them out of it as it is.

    This isn't a Gary Payton situation either simply because Paul is still youthful. He can still get into the lane at will unlike GP was able to do when he came here.

    Phil would find countless ways to utilize his skills with Kobe/Pau. It would be like a Euro team.

    However LA would probably have to give up Odom/Andrew/picks. It might end up being a lateral move in the end. So I'm not really drooling to get him.

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    • Bornindamecca
      Books Nelson Simnation
      • Jul 2007
      • 10919

      #32
      Re: Chris Paul wants out?

      Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
      I understand why you want to leave, but come on Chris really, LA? Lame and cheap.

      If you come here I might just quit watching the NBA for this generation.
      How is that different than......?


      Anywho, this big 3 in NYC ain't happening, and CP3 joining the Lakers ain't happening. Wouldn't mind seeing him with Orlando though

      Don't know why people think NO wants a starting PG in trade. The whole point of trading CP3 would be to fill out your roster and give the ball to Collison.
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      • ex carrabba fan
        I'll thank him for you
        • Oct 2004
        • 32744

        #33
        Re: Chris Paul wants out?

        Originally posted by Bornindamecca
        How is that different than......?


        Anywho, this big 3 in NYC ain't happening, and CP3 joining the Lakers ain't happening. Wouldn't mind seeing him with Orlando though

        Don't know why people think NO wants a starting PG in trade. The whole point of trading CP3 would be to fill out your roster and give the ball to Collison.
        It isn't different at all.

        I'm still not sure if it would be lame or if in reality it might be a lateral move.

        Either way I don't want him coming to LA.

        Orlando yessssss please. It may forever stunt Howard's offensive growth but hell he'd average 28 ppg just on lobs.

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        • ParisB
          MVP
          • Jan 2010
          • 1699

          #34
          Re: Chris Paul wants out?

          Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
          You act as if Phil wouldn't have variances and wrinkles for a guy like Paul.

          You wouldn't even see them run the triangle at times, hell Kobe already takes them out of it as it is.

          This isn't a Gary Payton situation either simply because Paul is still youthful. He can still get into the lane at will unlike GP was able to do when he came here.

          Phil would find countless ways to utilize his skills with Kobe/Pau. It would be like a Euro team.

          However LA would probably have to give up Odom/Andrew/picks. It might end up being a lateral move in the end. So I'm not really drooling to get him.
          the current lakers team when healthy is better than what they would be with CP3 at the point and a scrub center.

          flashy point guards are the new trend in the NBA, but size and skill in the middle still reigns supreme, and rebounds/defense still win championships

          The Lakers always have to go against Nash, Deron, Parker, Billups, Westbrook etc. and come out standing.

          I wouldn't break up the Gasol/Bynum duo in the middle.
          Last edited by ParisB; 07-22-2010, 12:10 AM.

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          • Brankles
            Banned
            • May 2003
            • 5113

            #35
            Re: Chris Paul wants out?

            Originally posted by Vince
            smh at some of y'all..this is chris paul here...you find a way to make him fit...

            people act as if only marginal players fit the triangle.

            nelson? c'mon man.dude can't even run a damn pic and roll properly.
            LOL

            I love Jameer and think he gets the most out of his talent... but you're exactly right. You adjust to getting a player like Chris Paul, he doesn't need to adjust to you.

            Obviously Orlando would not leave Chris Paul in a limited offensive set the way they did with Jameer, and have him shoot jumpers all day. The offense would change, for the better, and would involve a lot more penetration and high percentage shots. Jameer's career high in assists in 5.6 apg and career best game in assists was 13. Last season was 11... kind of sad to think about that your starting PG only got over 10 assists one time in a whole season.

            The defensive gain would be incredible as well. Jameer is dime-a-dozen, CP3 is a top 3 PG in the league. If Orlando can make this happen, they should, even if it means losing a key piece or two.

            I said it in the other thread, but I think a VC(expiring)/Gortat/Jameer for CP3/Okafor (Oak has an insane contract) works out, or is close to working out salary wise. It makes sense for NO because Gortat is a legit NBA center, Jameer is a legit NBA PG and they can build by getting rid of Okafor's contract and use VC's expiring next season.

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            • pietasterp
              All Star
              • Feb 2004
              • 6244

              #36
              Re: Chris Paul wants out?

              Hey, I got an idea! Why doesn't the NBA just make 2 All-Star teams: 1 in Miami and 1 in Los Angeles. Then they can just play each other 82 times over the course of the next 6 months, then a few more times in May and June and then we can declare one of them the champion. That would be awesome.

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              • Brankles
                Banned
                • May 2003
                • 5113

                #37
                Re: Chris Paul wants out?

                Originally posted by pietasterp
                Hey, I got an idea! Why doesn't the NBA just make 2 All-Star teams: 1 in Miami and 1 in Los Angeles. Then they can just play each other 82 times over the course of the next 6 months, then a few more times in May and June and then we can declare one of them the champion. That would be awesome.
                This thread is exactly the reason against that argument. If Paul leaves to Orlando, you have to throw them into the mix. Plus an injury here and there, and the Lakers and Heat are two completely different teams.

                I think the NBA is in a golden age where a lot of teams can make an impact that isn't seen until late into the season, with injuries/trades/development. Hell, OKC almost knocked off the champs last year.

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                • Fiasco West
                  MVP
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 2820

                  #38
                  Re: Chris Paul wants out?

                  Originally posted by Cebby

                  Then you don't watch much NBA basketball.

                  If you think that CP3/Melo is equal to Wade and Lebron than you're clearly delusional.
                  Wasn't that long ago that Chris Paul was a legit MVP candidate.

                  I'm not putting Melo on that level of Wade or Lebron...but CP3 when healthy definitely is.

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                  • Outcast
                    Rookie
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 351

                    #39
                    Re: Chris Paul wants out?

                    He could come to Denver .. Trade Chauncey J.R , Kmart & a draft pick for CP3 & Emeka Okafor.. that trade would make Denver strong contenders, better point, Nene at the 4 and Emeka at the 5

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                    • BlueNGold
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 21817

                      #40
                      Re: Chris Paul wants out?

                      Originally posted by ParisB
                      sounds nice in theory, but on a pure basketball perspective, the point guard is the least valuable position in the triangle. If the Lakers add CP3 but give up a Bynum and/or Odom, they become weaker. Simple as that. Offense isn't their problem, it would then be lack of size/girth in the paint and we saw what happened in '08 when they had Turiaf in there.

                      If the Lakers stray away from the triangle, it also takes away a lot of their strengths (Gasol is the perfect player for this, and Kobe is better suited for it at this stage of his career).
                      So the Lakers giving up a guy that misses half the season and playoff games the last 2-3 years and/or a guy that is so incredibly inconsistent for Chris Paul, who before last year's knee injury was the best point guard in the league would make them weaker? Sorry but I don't see it.

                      Adding CP3 would extend Kobe's career an extra couple years just because the open looks he could get Kobe and Chris being able to shoulder some of the offensive load in place of Kobe.

                      BTW, would San Antonio be able to pull off a Paul deal? They just randomly floated into my mind as a possible team for him but I'm not sure they have the assets.
                      Last edited by BlueNGold; 07-22-2010, 03:28 AM.
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                      • tehova
                        b**-r*y
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 3694

                        #41
                        Re: Chris Paul wants out?

                        GO East Young Man


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                        • Jukeman
                          Showtime
                          • Aug 2005
                          • 10955

                          #42
                          Re: Chris Paul wants out?

                          Melo>LBJ anyday if you ask me...

                          But im not stupid enough to say

                          Melo/Paul/Amare' > LBJ/Wade/Bosh

                          Injury history alone tells me I would pick NWO > DX

                          I guess "DX" would get a pass as well???

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                          • Lynsanity
                            Rookie
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 462

                            #43
                            Re: Chris Paul wants out?

                            CP to the Lakers would give them early offensive options they have not had since Magic's day. If they could not score on the break, they would go into the Triangle. Kobe, Artest, Pau, Odom, or whomever is left after the trade would see their shooting percentages soar, as CP would get them each at least a couple easy shots per game.

                            Kobe would be able to score the same 27 points from last year, but with less effort. Chris Paul's assists would most likely go up as well. Kobe can still finish. Shannon Brown, if back, can finish. Pau Gasol can finish. Lamar Odom can finish. Bottom line, unless the Lakers get rid of every athlete on the team, someone will be there to throw down those lobs.

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                            • nuckles2k2
                              MVP
                              • Sep 2006
                              • 1922

                              #44
                              Re: Chris Paul wants out?

                              Originally posted by Jukeman
                              Melo>LBJ anyday if you ask me...

                              But im not stupid enough to say

                              Melo/Paul/Amare' > LBJ/Wade/Bosh

                              Injury history alone tells me I would pick NWO > DX

                              I guess "DX" would get a pass as well???
                              What about the fact that Melo/Paul/Amar'e all complement each other's game and in Miami you're going to have either a Wade or LBJ showing off of the ball when the offense is running through the other guy.

                              Once again, yes folks I'm a Knicks fan, and no I'm not saying that we're getting either CP3 or Melo. BUT I think I'd rather have CP3 running the offense with Amar'e to run the pick-and-roll with and a big body to throw the ball down low to, with Melo on the wings as a threat to shoot, drive, or "post and toast" someone.

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                              • Jukeman
                                Showtime
                                • Aug 2005
                                • 10955

                                #45
                                Re: Chris Paul wants out?

                                Originally posted by nuckles2k2
                                What about the fact that Melo/Paul/Amar'e all complement each other's game and in Miami you're going to have either a Wade or LBJ showing off of the ball when the offense is running through the other guy.

                                Once again, yes folks I'm a Knicks fan, and no I'm not saying that we're getting either CP3 or Melo. BUT I think I'd rather have CP3 running the offense with Amar'e to run the pick-and-roll with and a big body to throw the ball down low to, with Melo on the wings as a threat to shoot, drive, or "post and toast" someone.
                                LBJ doesnt want to score all the time...

                                I think thats one of the points why he's in Miami with Wade...

                                It isnt the same as Stackhouse and AI...

                                IMO, we're not going to see the same Wade and LBJ (Ball dominate)
                                Last edited by Jukeman; 07-22-2010, 06:31 AM.

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