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  • nuckles2k2
    MVP
    • Sep 2006
    • 1922

    #61
    Re: Chris Paul wants out?

    Originally posted by Muzyk23
    This thread is hilarious. Some really think Wade and James are going to ballhog and fight for shots, and then the CP3 and Melo better than Wade\James statements. HILARIOUS.
    I don't think anyone is saying that they're going to ball hog or fight for shots...they just don't complement each other. Neither one is a knock down shooter, don't you want a slasher who can force the defense to collapse into the paint a little and open things up for the shooters? And occasionally have someone who can consistently hit the transition 3?

    What about when one guy is dribbling and running the offense, what's the other one doing? Running off screens to get an open jumpshot? That's what shooters do when their penetrator is breaking down the D, is it not? You're going to have James penetrate the paint and pass it off to Wade who then follows right behind him and penetrates as well? Isn't that counterproductive?
    Wouldn't the defenders who were worried about James now be in prime position to stop Wade? Is Wade going to become a knock down shooter who you want taking jumpers even if he's missed a couple because you understand what type of shooter he is?

    I'll take a CP3 getting into the teeth of the defense and kicking it out to Melo who's going to force someone to stick close to him, or step out and contest and allow him to blow right by them because he can knock down a shot from anywhere on the court. Why wouldn't Wade and James defenders hover around the paint and make sure to take away the cutting angles and force the streaky shooters to shoot? That's what Boston did to stop LBJ and eventually he just started chucking shots since no one else was giving him any help either.

    I don't understand how some folks were saying that a Rose and Wade/LBJ wouldn't exactly be a good fit for the Bulls, they'd be better off with a shooter...but suddenly LBJ and Wade would make a perfect fit? They're all slashers and none of them have the type of jumpshot you're gonna go into a game relying on. If they get hot then you feed the hot hand but you don't go into a game planning for LBJ or Wade to shoot all night. Do you?

    Both of their numbers are coming down, I think we all agree on that, but I think that either one of them would have been fine just teaming up with Bosh. I don't understand how both LBJ and Wade's game will flourish with them both being on the court, basically being the same player.

    I know this example isn't an exact mirror image of what's happening in Miami...but isn't there a chance that this situation can be similar to Ellis and Curry in GS? Together, they both put up solid numbers, but they share the rock a good amount of the time. Ellis gets hurt and sits out, Curry is now handling the rock more and his numbers go up.

    I don't get why this seems so far fetched to people. Isn't the goal of building a solid basketball team (or any team for that matter, be it sports or otherwise) is to complement skill sets not to replicate them? Otherwise you have a bunch of people that can do A & B, and no one is taking care of C.

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    • Cebby
      Banned
      • Apr 2005
      • 22327

      #62
      Re: Chris Paul wants out?

      Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
      He's either staying in NO's or will get traded before the deadline or even next year, probably not to any of the teams on his supposed list. There are plenty of other teams out there with more resources than teams on his list.

      He has zero leverage. Unless he refuses to play he will not be going anywhere. He has two years left on his deal, you're not goin anywhere bud.
      Yeah

      The only leverage he has is agreeing to an extension so that New Orleans gets better players back. Short of that, he's got nothing.

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      • jeebs9
        Fear is the Unknown
        • Oct 2008
        • 47565

        #63
        Re: Chris Paul wants out?

        This has to be one of the weridest offseasons of all time.
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        • jeebs9
          Fear is the Unknown
          • Oct 2008
          • 47565

          #64
          Re: Chris Paul wants out?

          Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
          He's either staying in NO's or will get traded before the deadline or even next year, probably not to any of the teams on his supposed list. There are plenty of other teams out there with more resources than teams on his list.

          He has zero leverage. Unless he refuses to play he will not be going anywhere. He has two years left on his deal, you're not goin anywhere bud.
          Because he is talking about being traded before the start of the upcoming regular season.

          Originally posted by ABrooks111
          Demanding a trade is so weak. You signed a contract, be a man and play out that contract.
          haha..."be a man"

          How old is CP3 by the way?
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          • Brankles
            Banned
            • May 2003
            • 5113

            #65
            Re: Chris Paul wants out?

            For all those people who find it more convenient to bother you with their question rather than to Google it for themselves.

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            • Eman5805
              MVP
              • Mar 2009
              • 3545

              #66
              Re: Chris Paul wants out?

              Originally posted by 23
              Typical what?
              Typical small market gets ished on NBA.

              That's what is typical.

              But I'm not fretting anymore. The chips shall fall where they may. In the end, I'll be a Hornets fan and so long as our new GM Demps doesn't trade away our entire young nucleas, we'll be fine.

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              • ex carrabba fan
                I'll thank him for you
                • Oct 2004
                • 32744

                #67
                Re: Chris Paul wants out?



                That's new to me

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                • jeebs9
                  Fear is the Unknown
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 47565

                  #68
                  Re: Chris Paul wants out?

                  Originally posted by ex carrabba fan


                  That's new to me

                  Actually thats old news to me...I made that for a co-worker a few years ago.

                  But thank you for the info though.
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                  • CMH
                    Making you famous
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 26203

                    #69
                    Re: Chris Paul wants out?

                    Originally posted by ParisB
                    sounds nice in theory, but on a pure basketball perspective, the point guard is the least valuable position in the triangle. If the Lakers add CP3 but give up a Bynum and/or Odom, they become weaker. Simple as that. Offense isn't their problem, it would then be lack of size/girth in the paint and we saw what happened in '08 when they had Turiaf in there.

                    If the Lakers stray away from the triangle, it also takes away a lot of their strengths (Gasol is the perfect player for this, and Kobe is better suited for it at this stage of his career).
                    Phil Jackson started using the Triangle to stop Jordan from being an animal with the ball. He continued to use it because Kobe thinks he's Jordan and Phil has acknowledged this several times.

                    If Phil Jackson had a real ball distributor that will keep Kobe on the wings instead of playing pseudo-point, then Jackson may very well adjust the offense.

                    That being said, I don't think he'd like it very much. I think Jackson has always been the calm guy and the Triangle is a calm, relaxed offense that fits his style. Having a point guard like Paul is more chaos then he'd like.
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                    • RayAllen20
                      MVP
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 1825

                      #70
                      Re: Chris Paul wants out?

                      Using trade machine how about...

                      Magic receive:

                      Chris Paul
                      Nazr Mohammed (8 mil expiring)


                      Hornets receive:

                      Vince Carter (17 mil expiring)
                      Shaun Livingston (2 mil expiring)


                      Bobcats receive:

                      Jameer Nelson


                      This trade works and makes sense for every team except the fact that maybe the Magic don't get a SG...Still they should just promote J.J. to a starter and this team would be a lot better than last year, and could take on the Heat since the hardest positions for the Heat to defend are PG and C.
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                      • Cebby
                        Banned
                        • Apr 2005
                        • 22327

                        #71
                        Re: Chris Paul wants out?

                        Originally posted by Eman5805
                        Typical small market gets ished on NBA.

                        That's what is typical.

                        But I'm not fretting anymore. The chips shall fall where they may. In the end, I'll be a Hornets fan and so long as our new GM Demps doesn't trade away our entire young nucleas, we'll be fine.
                        It's not really a big/small market thing.

                        It's a good/bad team thing.

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                        • VanCitySportsGuy
                          NYG_Meth
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 9351

                          #72
                          Re: Chris Paul wants out?

                          Boston gets:

                          Paul
                          Thorton

                          NO get:

                          Rondo
                          Wallace
                          Davis
                          Protected Lottery 1st Rounder

                          This deal works in the trade machine.

                          Paul should have demanded a trade earlier in the off-season when teams had cap space. The timing is horrible for him.

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                          • ex carrabba fan
                            I'll thank him for you
                            • Oct 2004
                            • 32744

                            #73
                            Re: Chris Paul wants out?

                            Originally posted by Cebby
                            It's not really a big/small market thing.

                            It's a good/bad team thing.
                            It's more a ****ty ownership and inept management type thing.

                            Unfortunately for Paul, a new GM is 5 years too late and is nothing more than a band-aid. Paul had the misfortune of being drafted to one of the worst organizations in the league.

                            I could argue that Shinn is worse than Sterling and Sarver. Hint: that's not good. Those three are the Mt. Rushmore of awesome[ly bad] owners.

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                            • The15thunter
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 1639

                              #74
                              Re: Chris Paul wants out?

                              Originally posted by VanCitySportsGuy
                              Boston gets:

                              Paul
                              Thorton

                              NO get:

                              Rondo
                              Wallace
                              Davis
                              Protected Lottery 1st Rounder

                              This deal works in the trade machine.

                              Paul should have demanded a trade earlier in the off-season when teams had cap space. The timing is horrible for him.
                              there is no way that trade would happen.
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                              • pietasterp
                                All Star
                                • Feb 2004
                                • 6244

                                #75
                                Re: Chris Paul wants out?

                                Originally posted by Brankles
                                I think the NBA is in a golden age where a lot of teams can make an impact that isn't seen until late into the season, with injuries/trades/development. Hell, OKC almost knocked off the champs last year.
                                Being a child of the 1980's, I would consider the 80's by far and away THE golden age of the NBA. The league's been in a steady state of decline since that time, from my perspective. I can't see how what we are in now in any way, shape, or form could be considered a golden age...I see it as the absolute nadir of a league that was already in decline.

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