Kobe Bryant : Is age a factor?

[Brankles]

Re: Kobe Bryant : Is age a factor?

Kobe's midrange game is already really good. I think Kobe's going to have trouble getting off shots as his athleticism drops, he's going to have to play much more conservatively if he wants to play efficiently. Odom, Gasol and Bynum are going to be keys to Kobe lasting those 5 or 6 more years, because he can't keep trying to win games by himself or his body won't last that long and his team won't be as successful.

[slimm44]

Re: Kobe Bryant : Is age a factor?

Kobe's midrange game is already really good. I think Kobe's going to have trouble getting off shots as his athleticism drops, he's going to have to play much more conservatively if he wants to play efficiently. Odom, Gasol and Bynum are going to be keys to Kobe lasting those 5 or 6 more years, because he can't keep trying to win games by himself or his body won't last that long and his team won't be as successful.

Past the free throw line, his game is average. In terms of scoring, he just needs to improve there and from beyond the arc. I am starting to look at it like this - there are two areas from mid-range - from 10-15 feet (close-mid) and from 15 feet to the arc (deep-mid). His close-mid gave is very good, possibly the best in the league. His deep-mid game is average and he needs to improve that shot the most.

This may not be how everybody looks at it, but it's the way I do. It makes the most sense to me.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Kobe Bryant : Is age a factor?

If his finger ever heals you will see the return of his 15 feet and beyond deadliness.

So quick that people forget what kind of perimeter performances he put in a handful of years ago when he didn't have that finger problem on his shooting hand.

To call him average from 15 feet out is just downright laughable.

[slimm44]

Re: Kobe Bryant : Is age a factor?

If his finger ever heals you will see the return of his 15 feet and beyond deadliness.

So quick that people forget what kind of perimeter performances he put in a handful of years ago when he didn't have that finger problem on his shooting hand.

To call him average from 15 feet out is just downright laughable.

Over the last 4 years, his highest percentage from there was 42%. One of those seasons was 38%. The league average is 40%. Feel free to discredit statistics, but please don't just do it with petty insults and opinion. Instead, show me proof of this "15 feet and beyond deadliness". In other words, please show one season where he has hit at least 45% of his shots from 15 feet out. IMO, a deadly deep-mid range shooter hits closer to 50% from that distance (See Nowitzki, Dirk), but 45% will do in this case as 50% is very rare. I'll gladly change my opinion if it's there.

[Bondgirl0072]

Re: Kobe Bryant : Is age a factor?

yes. age is always a factor.

[capp34]

Re: Kobe Bryant : Is age a factor?

Over the last 4 years, his highest percentage from there was 42%. One of those seasons was 38%. The league average is 40%. Feel free to discredit statistics, but please don't just do it with petty insults and opinion. Instead, show me proof of this "15 feet and beyond deadliness". In other words, please show one season where he has hit at least 45% of his shots from 15 feet out. IMO, a deadly deep-mid range shooter hits closer to 50% from that distance (See Nowitzki, Dirk), but 45% will do in this case as 50% is very rare. I'll gladly change my opinion if it's there.

Proof is actually watching games not box scores you cant determine the value or skill of a player by statistics. It has been said over and over by analysts and players that Kobe has the best in between game in the league.

[ybtherockstar]

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Proof is actually watching games not box scores you cant determine the value or skill of a player by statistics. It has been said over and over by analysts and players that Kobe has the best in between game in the league.

Agreed. Kobe does probably have the best mid range game in the league and will continue to. The stats don't show it a lot but stats also don't show injuries that players have while competing. That finger will be healed and he will be back to top notch form. I actually believe this upcoming season will be the first that Kobe shoots 48-50% from the field because of his overall smartness and knowledge of the game. Sort of like Jordan in the latter stages of his Chicago career.

[slimm44]

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Proof is actually watching games not box scores you cant determine the value or skill of a player by statistics. It has been said over and over by analysts and players that Kobe has the best in between game in the league.

The fact of the matter is, Kobe does not shoot an above average percentage from deep-mid range, or beyond 15 feet.

If injuries are your excuse, why does he still shoot so well from close-mid range, or 10-15 feet?

I also think he will bring his shooting percentage up this year because I think he will work on his deep-mid range game and shoot closer to that 45%+ mark. My point so far is that statistically he hasn't yet. Again, I'd be happy to change my opinion if someone can use proof to show I'm wrong. In my world, proof is greater than opinion, and all I'm hearing so far is opinion.

[dossier]

Re: Kobe Bryant : Is age a factor?

whatever, Carmelo has the best midrange in the game anyways

[slimm44]

Re: Kobe Bryant : Is age a factor?

whatever, Carmelo has the best midrange in the game anyways

It's off-topic, and I'm not gonna take the bait, but I'll give you a hint - you're incorrect. I'm gonna make a new topic about this subject if you want to check it out.

I'm excited to see what improvements Kobe makes this year. Like I said before, I think he has the strongest work ethic in the game. It seems like every year he's adding to or improving upon at least one or two things in his game.

[yungflo]

Re: Kobe Bryant : Is age a factor?

whatever, Carmelo has the best midrange in the game anyways

Ha, that's laughable.

[ILLSmak]

Re: Kobe Bryant : Is age a factor?

I don't really like Kobe's attitude... but as long as he is taking the shot at the right time and changing the defense (meaning that people are continuing to see him as a threat even when he's going 6-30) then it doesn't matter if he misses.
It's kind of like Iverson but Kobe is a higher percentage guy than Ivo. People look at volume shooters with disgust but nobody wants someone to drop 50 on them and I promise you nobody is saying "Ah, Kobe is broke today, let him shoot."

-Smak

[dossier]

Re: Kobe Bryant : Is age a factor?

Ha, that's laughable.

ummm, someone hasn't seen carmelo play.


anyways, tell me why in slimm's thread

[J_Posse]

Re: Kobe Bryant : Is age a factor?

His index finger will never "heal" since the condition is arthritic. Kobe will make adjustments, but he'll never be a high percentage shooter or efficient scorer. Like I pointed out earlier, his efficiency has decreased as he has aged. Plus, his mid-range game isn't the best in the league. That title belongs to Steve Nash and his ability to shot a high percentage from anywhere.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Kobe Bryant : Is age a factor?

His index finger will never "heal" since the condition is arthritic. Kobe will make adjustments, but he'll never be a high percentage shooter or efficient scorer. Like I pointed out earlier, his efficiency has decreased as he has aged. Plus, his mid-range game isn't the best in the league. That title belongs to Steve Nash and his ability to shot a high percentage from anywhere.

I don't think anyone would argue about his decreased efficiency. I've said that til I was blue in the face last season.

The man simply won't let his teammates take the proper load off of his shoulders.

However to anyone who would say his mid range is "the best in the league" should have their head checked.

Nobody should be making that claim when you have Dirk/Melo/KD out there.

Now to call Bryant's mid range average, that's equally as puzzling. He is definitely a little better than average at the very least.