Kobe Bryant : Is age a factor?

[Kashanova]

Re: Kobe Bryant : Is age a factor?

I don't think anyone would argue about his decreased efficiency. I've said that til I was blue in the face last season.

The man simply won't let his teammates take the proper load off of his shoulders.

However to anyone who would say his mid range is "the best in the league" should have their head checked.

Nobody should be making that claim when you have Dirk/Melo/KD out there.

Now to call Bryant's mid range average, that's equally as puzzling. He is definitely a little better than average at the very least.

if you look at his FG% for mid-range jumpers and the league AVERAGE there pretty much the same, Saying his Mid-range shot is average is about right.

[KG]

Re: Kobe Bryant : Is age a factor?

if you look at his FG% for mid-range jumpers and the league AVERAGE there pretty much the same, Saying his Mid-range shot is average is about right.

Yeah but the question says "game" not shot. I'm sure if you're talking about "shot" then knock-down guys like Dirk & KD would be "no-brainers" but again, that's not the question.

[Kashanova]

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Yeah but the question says "game" not shot. I'm sure if you're talking about "shot" then knock-down guys like Dirk & KD would be "no-brainers" but again, that's not the question.

well when you say mid-range game I'm pretty sure it refers to jumpshots, I don't believe many players shoot layups from there, maybe floaters but only a # of players do it from that far.

[KG]

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well when you say mid-range game I'm pretty sure it refers to jumpshots, I don't believe many players shoot layups from there, maybe floaters but only a # of players do it from that far.

I don't equate those 2 at all but hey, how you interpret things can't be argued.

When I see "game" I'm assuming their ability to score in various ways from there. Yeah, jumpshots are a huge component of this but I was thinking more along the lines of moves.

[slimm44]

Re: Kobe Bryant : Is age a factor?

I don't equate those 2 at all but hey, how you interpret things can't be argued.

When I see "game" I'm assuming their ability to score in various ways from there. Yeah, jumpshots are a huge component of this but I was thinking more along the lines of moves.

Ability to get a good look has to be considered from mid-range, but if you can't put it in the bucket consistently, what do the best looking moves add up to? A missed shot. I don't care so much about how "good" a player looks before his shot, I want him to be able to make the shot.

Look at Dirk. Arguably his best move isn't even a move - it's his height, his ability to shoot over anybody because he's, what, 6'10"? I'd rather have somebody like that, who can hit the shot efficiently and consistently and look very vanilla to set it up, than have somebody like Iverson who has some of the nastiest handles I've ever seen AND had the quickness to get separation consistently on double and triple teams but only shot about 35% from mid-range.

In my book, mid-range game comes down to doing whatever you have to do to put the rock in the hole. If you can't score, it doesn't matter what you did before the shot.

Question - If the league average is 40% and the most elite shooter hits 50%, what do you think KD's percentage was last season from deep-mid range?

[KG]

Re: Kobe Bryant : Is age a factor?

Ability to get a good look has to be considered from mid-range, but if you can't put it in the bucket consistently, what do the best looking moves add up to? A missed shot. I don't care so much about how "good" a player looks before his shot, I want him to be able to make the shot.

Look at Dirk. Arguably his best move isn't even a move - it's his height, his ability to shoot over anybody because he's, what, 6'10"? I'd rather have somebody like that, who can hit the shot efficiently and consistently and look very vanilla to set it up, than have somebody like Iverson who has some of the nastiest handles I've ever seen AND had the quickness to get separation consistently on double and triple teams but only shot about 35% from mid-range.

In my book, mid-range game comes down to doing whatever you have to do to put the rock in the hole. If you can't score, it doesn't matter what you did before the shot.

Question - If the league average is 40% and the most elite shooter hits 50%, what do you think KD's percentage was last season from deep-mid range?

I agree and it's why I would have Dirk in my top 3 along with Kobe & Melo.

You know you can look up KD's % mid-range right.

[slimm44]

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I agree and it's why I would have Dirk in my top 3 along with Kobe & Melo.

You know you can look up KD's % mid-range right.

Kobe and Melo have the moves, but they both shoot around 40% (league average), and both have had a year in the last 4 when they shot under 40%. That's not efficient.

KD's mid-range percentage last year was 37%, which also isn't efficient, but I fully expect him (along with Kobe) to bring those percentages up next year.

[sportyguyfl31]

Re: Kobe Bryant : Is age a factor?

Kobe's game relies a lot on difficult, contested jumpers at this point in his career.

Fortunately for him, he is the best at it, that I have ever seen...and is arguably the best ever at making really difficult shots.

He'll be a 24-25 PPG player on that, basketball IQ, and sheer will for the next 2 or 3 more years.

[wwharton]

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Mid range "jump shot" is just looking at shots that go in the hoop. Hell, I might hit the average mid range "shot" percentage if I only shot when I was wide open. If you say mid range "game" then I'm thinking about a combination of being able to score despite the situation along with the percentage. That's why guys like Kobe and KD still belong in the discussion. They're going to get double teamed almost every time they step inside the 3 point line so they'll never have the same mid range shot that even a Nash would have.

It'd be really, really, really silly to judge Kobe/KD/anybody's mid range "game" based on an average percentage on a stat sheet.

[dossier]

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yeah i dont get how people are debating this.

basically they are shooting AVERAGE numbers while shooting WAY ABOVE AVERAGE shots in terms of difficulty. to me that equates to a great mid range game

[ybtherockstar]

Re: Kobe Bryant : Is age a factor?

Kobe's game relies a lot on difficult, contested jumpers at this point in his career.

Fortunately for him, he is the best at it, that I have ever seen...and is arguably the best ever at making really difficult shots.

He'll be a 24-25 PPG player on that, basketball IQ, and sheer will for the next 2 or 3 more years.

This is true.

[Flashstriker101]

Re: Kobe Bryant : Is age a factor?

Age is definatly a factor he still can finish in the paint but he adjusted by gettinga mid and outside game though i don't like the lakers Kobe is definatly the best in the game and when he retires he'll be mentioned right up there near jordan believe it or not there so close to one in the same...hate him or love him but you will respect him..He's the greatest in the game check his high lights there all over youtube and any sports analyzst will say it