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  • dossier
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    • Oct 2006
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    #1

    who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

    i cant even begin to imagine who to pick right now, if i had to i would take dirk just because of how deadly he is on offense. the guy is a one of a kind talent.
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  • ex carrabba fan
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    • Oct 2004
    • 32744

    #2
    Re: who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

    Simply put, Pau can do damage inside as well as out. His post moves/footwork/IQ are only trumped by Timmay.

    It's one of those rare cases where Dirk may be the "better" player, but I'd rather have Pau if we're starting the team from scratch. I can't imagine Pau ever getting MVP consideration even if he was on a different team, but Dirk will always get MVP consideration.

    No hate on Dirk, his style of play just isn't for my tastes. Another thing on Dirk, which is strange, I do acknowledge that he is a top 10 player but I might choose a few players ranked after him if I'm starting a team from scratch. Pau being one of them.

    With all that being said, I think Dallas this year can really challenge for the conference title along with SA and OKC
    Last edited by ex carrabba fan; 09-30-2010, 02:22 AM.

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    • NDAlum
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      • Jun 2010
      • 11453

      #3
      Re: who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

      I go dynamic offensive force over solid all-around player.
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      • TheMatrix31
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        • Jul 2002
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        #4
        Re: who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

        Dirk any day, not to slight Pau at all.

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        • ex carrabba fan
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          • Oct 2004
          • 32744

          #5
          Re: who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

          A couple things

          1. Dynamic offensive force can apply to both players
          2. Solid all-around doesn't really describe either of the players

          Not sure I agree with your distinctions.

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          • Jasong7777
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            • May 2005
            • 6415

            #6
            Re: who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

            Give me Pau. Really want both though.
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            • sportyguyfl31
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              • Nov 2005
              • 4745

              #7
              Re: who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

              IVe always been puzzled by how undervalued Dirk is.

              Dirk is one of the top 6-8 players in the entire league.

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              • OSUFan_88
                Outback Jesus
                • Jul 2004
                • 25642

                #8
                Re: who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

                100% Dirk.

                He's the type of player that I want leading my team, night in and night out. Pau has already proven that he cannot run a team.
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                • ex carrabba fan
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                  • Oct 2004
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                  #9
                  Re: who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

                  Originally posted by sportyguyfl31
                  IVe always been puzzled by how undervalued Dirk is.

                  Dirk is one of the top 6-8 players in the entire league.
                  Originally posted by OSUFan_88
                  100% Dirk.

                  He's the type of player that I want leading my team, night in and night out. Pau has already proven that he cannot run a team.
                  Pau never had what Dirk had in Memphis.

                  But you guys are right, Dirk is undoubtedly a top player, something Pau cannot say for himself. It's preference of style, his just doesn't do it for me.

                  A jump shooting big man who has no post game and I don't see as a special rebounder.

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                  • OSUFan_88
                    Outback Jesus
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 25642

                    #10
                    Re: who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

                    Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                    Pau never had what Dirk had in Memphis.

                    But you guys are right, Dirk is undoubtedly a top player, something Pau cannot say for himself. It's preference of style, his just doesn't do it for me.

                    A jump shooting big man who has no post game and I don't see as a special rebounder.
                    Dirk doesn't go to the low post because he doesn't need to. Just like Pau doesn't stick the the perimeter a whole lot because he doesn't need to.

                    Dirk does have some holes in his game, but his strengths are much better than Pau's strengths. And that's not to say Pau's strengths are bad either, but Dirk is the perimeter big man in the NBA.
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                    • ex carrabba fan
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                      • Oct 2004
                      • 32744

                      #11
                      Re: who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

                      Originally posted by OSUFan_88
                      Dirk doesn't go to the low post because he doesn't need to. Just like Pau doesn't stick the the perimeter a whole lot because he doesn't need to.

                      Dirk does have some holes in his game, but his strengths are much better than Pau's strengths. And that's not to say Pau's strengths are bad either, but Dirk is the perimeter big man in the NBA.
                      He doesn't need to?

                      Get out of here

                      He would have had rings, plural-- by now if he developed a post game earlier in his career, and maybe wouldn't have been bounced out of the first round 3 out of the last 4 years. I'm not arguing with anyone that Dirk is better than Pau. I accept that.

                      It's pretty much too late at this point of his career to change the way he plays so he is what he is.

                      Style wise, I like Pau's ability to go inside during the playoffs and get points almost at will [against almost any team but Boston]. I like Pau's ability to catch the ball and also create cutting lanes for others which opens up the entire offense. His passing ability out of the post is on par with the best in the league.

                      I also think Pau's improved his post defense a ton and also his rebounding on both ends of the floor.

                      Playoff time I want the ball going inside and out. I understand Dirk's shot is God/Nash-like but going inside creates for others and opens the game up for everyone.

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                      • ProfessaPackMan
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                        • Mar 2008
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                        #12
                        Re: who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

                        Always been a fan of The Dirkinator, so I'd go with him if I had to choose.
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                        • JBH3
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                          • Jan 2007
                          • 13506

                          #13
                          Re: who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

                          Dirk hands down. There is a marginal difference in defense/rebounding as neither player tips the scale in his favor.

                          IF Pau is a little better inside its because that is where he MUST thrive to be an offensive force. He doesn't have Dirks range. Plus for being someone who plays inside and draws a lot of fouls he's only a career 74% FT shooter.
                          Last edited by JBH3; 09-30-2010, 03:52 PM.
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                          • ex carrabba fan
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                            • Oct 2004
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                            #14
                            Re: who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

                            Pau>Dirk in rebounding/defense

                            It may not be a huge difference, but it's enough to where you can see it, well at least you shoudl be able to see it

                            Also what do you mean 'if' Pau is better inside? What was that hahaha

                            Pau doesn't have Dirk's range? You're kidding me

                            Seriously though, that was my point, stylistically I'm going with the guy who can stroke mid-range pretty good but can get you buckets inside. That's what playoff basketball is about these days and has been about since MJ retired.

                            Helps the offense run along nicely by being able to go to an inside presence.

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                            • JBH3
                              Marvel's Finest
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 13506

                              #15
                              Re: who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

                              Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                              Pau>Dirk in rebounding/defense
                              Dirk TRB/gm: 8.5
                              Pau TRB/gm: 9.0

                              Pau beats out Dirk in Off Boards because he plays closer to the hoop on offense, and isn't the #1 scoring option -- or shouldn't be the #1 scoring option (Memphis he was though).

                              Both on average over their careers have been good for a steal and block a game. Maybe w/ Pau you get 2 blocks, but neither like I said "tips the scale in their favor".

                              Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                              Also what do you mean 'if' Pau is better inside? What was that hahaha
                              Because he makes his money inside, not from the perimeter like Dirk. Dirks big enough and has good enough footwork to where he can get buckets in the paint. He has an Olajuwon-esque fadeaway too... BUT unlike Pau doens't have to solely rely on playing close to the basket to make a giant impact. He can hover, and he can do so behind the arc as well.

                              Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                              Pau doesn't have Dirk's range? You're kidding me
                              Not range that would put him in Dirk's stratosphere. C'mon now...

                              Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                              Seriously though, that was my point, stylistically I'm going with the guy who can stroke mid-range pretty good but can get you buckets inside. That's what playoff basketball is about these days and has been about since MJ retired. Helps the offense run along nicely by being able to go to an inside presence.
                              There's no difference really. An outside presense for Pau (Kobe), gives him better looks inside. Personally, I'd rather have an unconvetional lineup that can give you fits and create mismatch problems. Dirk's ability to play more outside than Pau holds teams accountable for his presense out there, and they either got to give him too much space for an easy look or they play tight D and leave perhaps one of their best rebounders on the perimeter. If Dirk had a 5 who could score Dallas would be hard to account for.
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