2010-11 NBA Regular Season MVP Discussion

[Po Pimp]

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What it all boils down to is that the Bulls have the best record in the NBA. How many people predicted that going into the season? How many other All Stars do we have besides Rose? Ohhhh, but I guess we only win because of our defense....how many all world defenders do we have? Did Deng all of a sudden become Bruce Bowen this year? Will Deng (or anyone on the Bulls) even make an All Defense 1st team?

Bottom line, we won games by committee, but Rose put the team on his back for a LOT of them...and 25, 4 and 8 are not shabby numbers. 62 wins are nothing to scoff about. Give the kid his props!

[CWSapp757]

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I've read every page of this thread but haven't commented. But I just felt the need to respond this one time. Beantown, I actually agree with you to a certain extent. Personally, I think dwight was the MVP this year. I also feel that Rose is slightly overrated and quite frankly, I'm sick of hearing about him. With that being said, I can understand and accept him being the MVP this year.

You can't just say things like "Team A would only win this amount of games without Player A but Team B would win this amount of games without Player B" and expect people to take it as a valid argument. As much as people may think that they are psychic, that's all it is is speculation. MVP is all about the impact you have on your team that year. And as much as I hate hearing about the kid, you can't deny that he was the best and most consistent player on a 62 win team.

And chill with the insults my man. Telling people they need grow a brain and what not. That's not cool.

[Jukeman]

What it all boils down to is that the Bulls have the best record in the NBA. How many people predicted that going into the season? How many other All Stars do we have besides Rose? Ohhhh, but I guess we only win because of our defense....how many all world defenders do we have? Did Deng all of a sudden become Bruce Bowen this year? Will Deng (or anyone on the Bulls) even make an All Defense 1st team?

Bottom line, we won games by committee, but Rose put the team on his back for a LOT of them...and 25, 4 and 8 are not shabby numbers. 62 wins are nothing to scoff about. Give the kid his props!

Reminds me of the 2001 Sixers

Good to see other people have to defend their guy

[Po Pimp]

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Reminds me of the 2001 Sixers

Good to see other people have to defend their guy

How so? The Bulls had the best record in the NBA, the Sixers didn't. The Bulls don't have a single All Defense NBA player (as of now anyway). The Sixers had Mutombo who not only won Defensive Player of the Year that season, but three times prior as well.

And for the record, I don't consider this Bulls team a one man show. I thought Boozer and Deng (and Noah if he never got hurt) all played at an All Star level. No one on the Sixers other than Iverson was an All Star except maybe Mutombo.

[Bumi]

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What it all boils down to is that the Bulls have the best record in the NBA. How many people predicted that going into the season? How many other All Stars do we have besides Rose? Ohhhh, but I guess we only win because of our defense....how many all world defenders do we have? Did Deng all of a sudden become Bruce Bowen this year? Will Deng (or anyone on the Bulls) even make an All Defense 1st team?

Bottom line, we won games by committee, but Rose put the team on his back for a LOT of them...and 25, 4 and 8 are not shabby numbers. 62 wins are nothing to scoff about. Give the kid his props!

When did having the best regular season record become a prerequisite of winning the MVP?

25/4/8 is solid, yes, but it's nothing to go bonkers over. Especially at his efficiency. And when you consider the fact that players like LeBron have posted numbers superior to those six separate times, people have a legitimate beef with Rose winning the MVP this season.

And The Bulls have a great supporting cast. And yes, he does play beside All Star caliber players. Boozer is a 2x All Star, and has won both an Olympic Gold and Bronze. Noah will probably be in the All Star game as soon as next season.

How many All Stars does Dwight Howard play beside? Dirk? Durant? Etc. Lets not pretend as if the Bulls cast isn't similar to the casts of other candidates. In some cases, better.

[ex carrabba fan]

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That was a fair post Bumi.

I have to say that Boozer/Noah both missed extended periods of time though. That's my only comment.

I think it's clear that this season there really hasn't been that standout performance.

People may have beef with Rose winning, but you can poke holes in every else's arguments as well.

[Bumi]

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That was a fair post Bumi.

I have to say that Boozer/Noah both missed extended periods of time though. That's my only comment.

I think it's clear that this season there really hasn't been that standout performance.

People may have beef with Rose winning, but you can poke holes in every else's arguments as well.

Boozer and Noah have missed significant time, but as a whole, the Bulls have been one of the healthiest teams this season.

The ChicagoBulls, meanwhile, represent why talking about injuries is so difficult. Overcoming injuries to Carlos Boozer and Joakim Noah has been cited as an explanation for why Derrick Rose is a deserving MVP candidate. Replacing players like Boozer and Noah is difficult, but otherwise Chicago has enjoyed amazing health this season. Just two other Bulls players have missed time: Taj Gibson for two games and Rose himself for one. Nobody in the NBA has had fewer players suffer injuries, and the Bulls rank near the bottom of the league in terms of games missed.

I think Howard has had that standout performance personally, he's been awesome.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Only thing is, Noah/Boozer are your best bigs and are intricate parts of any team.

Outside of them you have Deng? I mean Deng's had a good season but he isn't an All-Star or anything.

With Dwight, he honestly doesn't pass the eye test for me. Not a great argument, not the best, but when I watch him, people aren't afraid of that guy at all.

Defensively, he is undoubtedly the best. But overall teams single coverage him. Teams don't think he can single handily beat you. Rose has showed all year that he can do that, especially in the clutch. Also, Howard may not have great support but it's not terrible by any means in relative terms comparing all 30 teams.

[BlueNGold]

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When did having the best regular season record become a prerequisite of winning the MVP?

25/4/8 is solid, yes, but it's nothing to go bonkers over. Especially at his efficiency. And when you consider the fact that players like LeBron have posted numbers superior to those six separate times, people have a legitimate beef with Rose winning the MVP this season.

And The Bulls have a great supporting cast. And yes, he does play beside All Star caliber players. Boozer is a 2x All Star, and has won both an Olympic Gold and Bronze. Noah will probably be in the All Star game as soon as next season.

How many All Stars does Dwight Howard play beside? Dirk? Durant? Etc. Lets not pretend as if the Bulls cast isn't similar to the casts of other candidates. In some cases, better.

Nobody said having the best record is a prerequisite for winning MVP.

No one is going bonkers over a line of 25/4/8.

Durant plays beside Russell Westbrook, who in the same case as Noah might not be an all-star this year, but will be in the future. Dirk also plays with a future HOF PG, but I won't try to defend his supporting cast as being anything that special. They have a good team, but they don't have the highest quality of players.

Anyways, this whole argument about "whose team was ****tier/had less all-stars/etc" is a little ridiculous to me. If you're going by that logic then you're basically discrediting 90% of every NBA MVP ever and taking away MVPs from guys like Jordan, Bird and Magic.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Thank you BnG

That has been my beef the entire season.

People campaigning for their guy seem to always make sure you know just how ****ty their team is outside of the candidate

Your post was a fair one as well IMO

[Bumi]

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Nobody said having the best record is a prerequisite for winning MVP.

Then why do people keep bringing up the fact that Rose's team finished with the best regular season record?

No one is going bonkers over a line of 25/4/8.

You'd be surprised.

Durant plays beside Russell Westbrook, who in the same case as Noah might not be an all-star this year, but will be in the future. Dirk also plays with a future HOF PG, but I won't try to defend his supporting cast as being anything that special. They have a good team, but they don't have the highest quality of players.

Anyways, this whole argument about "whose team was ****tier/had less all-stars/etc" is a little ridiculous to me. If you're going by that logic then you're basically discrediting 90% of every NBA MVP ever and taking away MVPs from guys like Jordan, Bird and Magic.

I agree.

[ScoobySnax]

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Nobody said having the best record is a prerequisite for winning MVP.

No one is going bonkers over a line of 25/4/8.

Durant plays beside Russell Westbrook, who in the same case as Noah might not be an all-star this year, but will be in the future. Dirk also plays with a future HOF PG, but I won't try to defend his supporting cast as being anything that special. They have a good team, but they don't have the highest quality of players.

Anyways, this whole argument about "whose team was ****tier/had less all-stars/etc" is a little ridiculous to me. If you're going by that logic then you're basically discrediting 90% of every NBA MVP ever and taking away MVPs from guys like Jordan, Bird and Magic.

Westbrook was an All-Star this year.

[Po Pimp]

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When did having the best regular season record become a prerequisite of winning the MVP?

It isn't, but having an elite record has ALWAYS mattered when discussing the MVP. Reason why teams like San Antonio, Boston, the mid 2000s Detroit teams didn't have an MVP is because their teams were more balanced and did not have one standout superstar. Whether you don't feel Rose is efficient or not, he is the main catalyst on that Bulls team and has won and bailed them out of a lot of games. He has been the constant.

25/4/8 is solid, yes, but it's nothing to go bonkers over. Especially at his efficiency. And when you consider the fact that players like LeBron have posted numbers superior to those six separate times, people have a legitimate beef with Rose winning the MVP this season.

LeBron justifiably won his MVPs putting up those numbers when his team was winning 66 and 60 games respectively. You can't give LeBron MVP when his teams prior to that maxed out at 50 wins.

Boozer and Noah have missed significant time, but as a whole, the Bulls have been one of the healthiest teams this season.

The Bulls current lineup has played less than 30 combined regular season games.

Anyways, this whole argument about "whose team was ****tier/had less all-stars/etc" is a little ridiculous to me. If you're going by that logic then you're basically discrediting 90% of every NBA MVP ever and taking away MVPs from guys like Jordan, Bird and Magic.

Bird won 3 consecutive MVPs, Magic won 3 MVPs. Both Magic and Bird ruled the 80s and their teams were always among the best, so they NEVER had bad teams, bad teammates, AND their numbers were phenomenal. As for Jordan, he won his first MVP in a season where Magic's team won 62 games, and Bird had his team 1st in the East averaging 30, 9 and 6. The MVP could've went to either of those guys, especially considering Jordan's team was 3rd in the East with 50 wins. However, Jordan had a HISTORICAL season averaging 35, 6, 6, 3 steals and almost 2 blocks while shooting FIFTY-FOUR PERCENT from the guard position. He also won Defensive Player of the Year. Bird and Magic finished 2nd and 3rd behind him. True, Magic's team had the best record, but he had also missed like 10 games and didn't do as well as his previous season. Bird could've easily gotten another MVP, but the NBA was looking for something new apparently. I just can't give the MVP to Howard because what he's doing as a center is not unprecedented. If Howard put up numbers similar to a Hakeem, Admiral, or even Ewing by averaging something like 25, 14, 3-4 blocks....he would have the MVP sewn up.

[Po Pimp]

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I mean, I guess if it makes anyone feel better about Rose getting MVP, you can say he won it by default.

LeBron plays with Wade who also puts up great numbers...but they finished worse than the Bulls. It's not like Bird's Celtics, or Magic's Lakers, or even Jordan's Bulls....Miami has 2 alpha dogs, and LeBron has shown repeatedly he can't even close out a game.

Kobe plays with a deep squad, but the team went on a few lulls this year (5 consecutive losses at the end of the season and 3 consecutive losses to losing teams prior to All Star Break)...and they finished worse than the Bulls.

Dwight had a fantastic season, but they struggled against elite squads, and his numbers are not so outstanding where you HAVE to give him the MVP when his team is in 4th place.

Rose put up decent numbers, even if they were not very efficient, but he did lead his team to the best record after losing his bigs to injury for EXTENDED periods. He has bailed his team out time and time again. His team has not lost more than TWO consecutive games all year...marinate on that. His team either split or has a winning record against ALL the elite teams this season. I just don't see how you can't give him the MVP, this shouldn't even be an argument anymore.

[Weeks]

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My top 5:

1. Rose
2. Howard
3. LeBron
4. Dirk
5. Kobe/Durant