In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?
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Re: In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?
For 4-5 years in his prime, I would call him a defensive star. Tough to distinguish the true definition of a "star".
But the guy did make 4 All-Star teams, won DPOY 4 times, and made All-D team 5 times and All-D 2nd team once.
He was basically the best garbage man you could imagine. So I'm not exactly sure what to categorize him as. But in his prime he was an animal. Basically Kendrick Perkins x100.Comment
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Not a great rebounder, a *dominant* rebounder. Not a great shotblocker, a *dominant* shotblocker. In his prime he was better than Dwight Howard at BOTH. Think about that, lol.
Dude was the main source of toughness on a team that was built on that attribute, and I cannot think of a better PnR defending big in the history of the game. He could switch on anybody. Also single handedly checked an in-prime Shaq in the Finals...the key to that series. If Ben wasn't a star, defensive players can't be stars, ever, cuz he was one of the best, all-time, IMO.
Not fair to say Ben was a role player because he didn't score alot considering you could prolly rattle off 10 scorers off the top of your head that were considered "stars" that couldn't defend their own shadow.Last edited by HMcCoy; 04-12-2011, 12:34 AM.Hank's Custom Collectibles 3D printer/painter extraordinaireComment
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For 4-5 years in his prime, I would call him a defensive star. Tough to distinguish the true definition of a "star".
But the guy did make 4 All-Star teams, won DPOY 4 times, and made All-D team 5 times and All-D 2nd team once.
He was basically the best garbage man you could imagine. So I'm not exactly sure what to categorize him as. But in his prime he was an animal. Basically Kendrick Perkins x100.
I don't think there is any denying that Big Ben was one of the best defenders of my generation at least, but that was it. A star player, to me, needs to be able to do more than one thing on the court.
Edit: I'll also give him the fact that he had a "star" personality
Edit x2: I don't mean to imply that ex called Ben a star. When I said "you", I was referring to people that say he was a star.Last edited by Yeah...THAT Guy; 04-12-2011, 04:29 PM.NFL: Bills
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Re: In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?
Exactly. I would say he was an excellent defender, but I don't see how you can say the dude was a star player when it was 5 on 4 at the other end. I mean, even guys like Carmelo that aren't good defenders but are great scorers can at least take up space defensively. Offensively, the only way Ben was scoring was on a dunk. Offensively, he was like a shorter, less skilled JaVale McGee lol.
I don't think there is any denying that Big Ben was one of the best defenders of my generation at least, but that was it. A star player, to me, needs to be able to do more than one thing on the court.
Edit: I'll also give him the fact that he had a "star" personality
Some guys set the entire tone of a game with just that.
Rodman didnt have to score to place his imprint on a game.
Star isnt Superstar, but its not a regular role player.Comment
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Orlando will bounce them in the 2nd Round.Originally posted by hickhitchell33Your all terribly misinformed.Comment
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Is Bruce Bowen a star because he made the All-Defense team 8 years in a row while also being a good 3 point shooter?
Like I said, I have no problem admitting Ben Wallace was probably the best defender of my generation, but that's it. He was an excellent defender. Certainly more than just a role player, but not a star either.NFL: Bills
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True, but great defender isn't a star either. He's just a great defender.
Is Bruce Bowen a star because he made the All-Defense team 8 years in a row while also being a good 3 point shooter?
Like I said, I have no problem admitting Ben Wallace was probably the best defender of my generation, but that's it. He was an excellent defender. Certainly more than just a role player, but not a star either.You looking at the Chair MAN!
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He was a better shot blocker but Ben was not a better rebounder than Dwight. Dwight has been over 13 boards a game over the past 4 years. Over the past four years Dwight has averaged 13.8 boards a game. Ben has only topped that number once.Comment
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True, but great defender isn't a star either. He's just a great defender.
Is Bruce Bowen a star because he made the All-Defense team 8 years in a row while also being a good 3 point shooter?
Like I said, I have no problem admitting Ben Wallace was probably the best defender of my generation, but that's it. He was an excellent defender. Certainly more than just a role player, but not a star either.Comment
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Edit: Do you think Ben Wallace was a bigger star than Carlos Boozer? A guy that averaged 18-20 points per game while putting up rebounding numbers very close to Ben Wallace, compared to Ben who scored about 6-7 points per game? I just don't see that personally.Last edited by Yeah...THAT Guy; 04-12-2011, 02:19 PM.NFL: Bills
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Defense is Basketball last time I checked.Comment
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No, but like I said, a star needs to do more than one thing. Ben was an excellent defender. That's it. And yes, he was a great rebounder too, but that's a part of playing great defense.
Edit: Do you think Ben Wallace was a bigger star than Carlos Boozer? A guy that averaged 18-20 points per game while putting up rebounding numbers very close to Ben Wallace, compared to Ben who scored about 6-7 points per game? I just don't see that personally.
Points and Rebounds
Blocks, Rebounds and Defense.
Wallace was the heart of that Championship squad w/ just DEFENSE.
Points wins Championships!!!!!!!Comment
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Why have we been arguing about Ben Wallace for the last 2-3 pages when this thread is about the BullsLast edited by loloben; 04-12-2011, 02:54 PM."My body could stand the crutches but my mind couldn't stand the sideline"- Michael JordanComment
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How is Ben Wallace not a STAR?
Defensive Player of The Year. He was arguably the face of that Pistons team and was all over the media when they were winning.
How much did the Bulls pay him? 16 Million is Role Player Money?
Rasheed Wallace was a STAR when he left Portland for Detroit.
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