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  • ex carrabba fan
    I'll thank him for you
    • Oct 2004
    • 32744

    #76
    Re: In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?

    Originally posted by TheMatrix31
    Yeah but it was the guys like Artest and Ariza over the last couple years which created the separation enough for LA to win the title in their Finals matchups. I feel like the stars are going to do what they're going to do regardless.
    Right, and in 08 guys like Posey/Powe/House made all the difference.

    But really to even get to the Finals, you're gonna need a stellar core to begin with. At least in most cases, that is the general rule.

    So you're gonna need that as your base. It doesn't matter what the role players do or how great they play if the core isn't adequate to begin with.. because the team won't even sniff the finals.

    The past 3 years, all 6 teams who have made it to the finals have had great cores. I mean we're talking excellent and multiple all-star cores.

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    • Weeks
      L Corleone
      • Aug 2009
      • 2990

      #77
      Yes, I was thinking about this today.

      They pretty fit the entire criteria of what you need to win in the playoffs: size, defense, rebounding, depth, chemistry, and good coaching.

      All going along with their home court advantage they now have, and they are really good at home.

      They've also beat the Spurs, Magic, Lakers, Heat (3-0), and Celtics who are the top contenders.
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      • Weeks
        L Corleone
        • Aug 2009
        • 2990

        #78
        Also for the people who watch Bulls games, you never seem to get overly worried during a close game because they seem to always have control of the game and are playing at their pace, which I think could be key in playoff games.
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        • Weeks
          L Corleone
          • Aug 2009
          • 2990

          #79
          Originally posted by Moses Shuttlesworth
          Derrick Rose is the greatest basketball player to ever live
          You know what's up! LMAO
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          • BATMON
            Banned
            • Oct 2010
            • 1445

            #80
            Re: In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?

            The regular season dont mean ****.

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            • mKoz26
              In case you forgot...
              • Jan 2009
              • 4685

              #81
              Re: In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?

              Originally posted by da ThRONe
              I say no Rose's Bulls are LeBron's Cavs .5.

              Great regular season second round exit.
              There is almost nothing whatsoever that suggests the teams are similar... except Andy V and Joakim's hairstyles.
              Originally posted by 55
              Do they have a shot? Absolutely.

              Do they have a good shot? Absolutely not.
              Why is that?
              Originally posted by Muzyk23
              can rose really deliver in crunch, double or triple teamed? not sure..don't think so

              is bulls defense that much better than celtics or heats? nope

              do individual bulls players have any relevant playoffs experience? nope (booz has some)

              are you sure that deng won't dissapear somewhere on the way? I'm not
              Well this post just misses. Triple teamed? Yeah, you lost me there. Since when does Derrick Rose score all 90-something points per game? And the playoff experience... lol. The defense... lol.
              Originally posted by BATMON
              As good as he is , doing this in a playoff series is tough when adjustments can be made.

              I would like Boozer or Deng to bring thier averages up from 17 to 19/20 for the playoffs,and not have Rose shoulder all the weight.
              All guys have improved their play in the playoffs. And both Booz and Deng have carried weight in the playoffs before. Booz in Utah and Deng vs Washington years ago.
              Originally posted by BATMON
              I understand your faith in Rose and them, and i even had them in the Finals in the beginng of the year. Rose will do well, but the TEAM has to do well. That ONE vs the enemy stuff doesnt win Championships.
              You can bring up all those Rose scored so and so in his first game as a Rookie.
              That team isnt the same team as this Boozer team.

              All teams need Cohesion. As a Regular season unit and a Playoff Unit.

              And Rose is Just ONE superstar.

              Lakers and Celtic have more than ONE.

              Is Boozer turning in Rasheed Wallace for Detroit in the Playoffs?

              Throwing Playoff Exp out the window is a gamble. Teams take their lumps and return.
              I believe in progressing as a UNIT, vs " yeah, Player X got to the second round when he was on team x three years ago."
              The Celtics have 2 superstars? Really? Pierce and KG are both still superstars? OK. Is Gasol a superstar?
              Originally posted by BATMON
              Name me a Championship team w/ ONE Superstar and very good roll players.

              Rose cannot win the whole thing by himself.

              The young unstoppable Shaq along with Penny got spanked when they went to the Finals w/out any Playoff EXP.
              A 59-win team w Shaq, Penny and Nick Anderson. Horace Grant had playoff exp.

              Now Chicago's Team Defense is better than Orlando's but betting one ONE dudes heroic prowess is a big gamble IMO.

              Is Boozer goin to outplay Gasol in a series?
              Is Deng gonna step up w/ Artest on him in a series. Not ONE regular season game, but the whole series.
              Noah vs Bynum.....what do u have?

              Bench vs Bench?

              Rose vs. Kobe is a wash.

              This is Not a MY Player game.
              The thing is these Bulls don't play hero ball. I don't know where you got that from. Rose may be the (likely) MVP, but that's because he played hero w/o Noah and Boozer. With them, hero ball is unnecessary. That's why I don't understand this whole "hero ball" thing you made up. Boozer on the P&R is enough to eclipse the Cavs offensive gameplan of the LeBron years that you're so obviously trying to attach the Bulls to.
              Originally posted by loloben
              Don't throw around the word superstar like that. The only superstars right now in the league I can think of are D-Rose, LeBron, Wade, Dwight, Melo, Deron Williams, Kobe, Gasol, Tim Duncan, Nowitzki, CP3, and Durant.That's only two teams with two superstars.
              I may disagree with Gasol (maybe Timmy too), but that list is pretty solid. How can the Celts win a title with no superstars, Batmon? Are you really going to say both KG and Pierce are on Rose/LeBron/Kobe/etc.'s level?
              Originally posted by Muzyk23
              adjustments will be made..defenses will become fiercer..he will be double teamed..nothing against rose and bulls I just need them to make me believe
              Rose has proved it in the playoffs before. See: his first two years.
              Originally posted by BATMON
              He was in the Playoffs with this team last year?

              What makes you transfer the same performances w/ Utah and Cleveland into Chicago?
              Ya know, there's this thing called the whole f-ing regular season. lol
              Also, with what you wrote below, when was this Boston team tested as a TEAM UNIT in the playoffs?
              Originally posted by BATMON
              This New Heat team is also untested as a TEAM UNIT in the Playoffs.

              For the record I think the Bulls CAN beat the Heat, and really shouldnt be in the discussion.

              The road leads through Boston.

              Alot of things are being understated and overlooked.
              Such as...? Let's not be so general here.
              Originally posted by BATMON
              The EC Raod leads through Boston regardless of the tweaked UNIT. The Ring leads through Los Angeles. Both teams cores havent changed.
              Perkins is a loss but they didnt GUT their team.

              The Bulls added Boozer this year correct?
              Your double standard is ridiculous.
              Originally posted by Moses Shuttlesworth
              Derrick Rose is the greatest basketball player to ever live
              Your sarcastic hyperbole is equally ridiculous. No one claimed he is the greatest or anything even remotely close to that. Seriously, I'd like to hear why the Celts would beat the Bulls (not doubting it, just want to hear your opinion) because I know that's exactly what you're thinking.
              Originally posted by BATMON
              The regular season dont mean ****.

              Okay then. I'm thinking you just threw together this whole argument once you decided the Bulls were the LeBron Cavs.
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              • BATMON
                Banned
                • Oct 2010
                • 1445

                #82
                Re: In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?

                SMH............................and i never mentioned LeBron.

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                • Moses Shuttlesworth
                  AB>
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 9435

                  #83
                  Re: In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?

                  Originally posted by mKoz26
                  Your sarcastic hyperbole is equally ridiculous. No one claimed he is the greatest or anything even remotely close to that. Seriously, I'd like to hear why the Celts would beat the Bulls (not doubting it, just want to hear your opinion) because I know that's exactly what you're thinking.
                  LOL get out of here with that. You have no idea if I was being sarcastic or not. I was actually having this debate with my friend today, and I think he has the tools to be the best player ever. He just needs a few championships.

                  I know that's exactly what you're thinking.
                  Hmm, yeah, ok.

                  Rose has proved it in the playoffs before. See: his first two years.
                  Where Rondo averaged a tripe double against him?

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                  • Dice
                    Sitting by the door
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 6627

                    #84
                    Re: In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?

                    Originally posted by BATMON
                    The regular season dont mean ****.
                    Oh yeah? Well, last 25 championship teams, 17 of them were the number 1 seed in their respective conference. I think the regular season has something to do with what happens in the playoffs.
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                    • mKoz26
                      In case you forgot...
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 4685

                      #85
                      Re: In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?

                      Originally posted by BATMON
                      SMH............................and i never mentioned LeBron.
                      Ahh I mixed you and throne. My bad. Disregard the points about LeBron. What about Boston THIS YEAR makes them the favorite in the East? Who are the 2 superstars? Why doesn't the regular season count?
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                      Originally posted by baumy300
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                      • BATMON
                        Banned
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 1445

                        #86
                        Re: In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?

                        I always thought whomever the reigning Conference Champions hold the belt until thry get knocked.

                        The Big Three are called that for a reason. Add Rondo to three aging stars who did go the all star game this year, and what u have is one of he resapns why Gasol joined the Lakers, LeBron and Bosh teamed up in Miami. You can do the star math yourself.

                        Yes they are aging, and the Bulls are the comeup, with Miami still young, but the Celtics are still the defending EC Champs until that changes in the Playoffs. Not the regular season record or homecourt advantage.

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                        • sportyguyfl31
                          MVP
                          • Nov 2005
                          • 4745

                          #87
                          Re: In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?

                          I'd be a smidge concerned about Carlos Boozer in a crunch time game.


                          My gut tells me Rose has the ice water to handle it. Boozer? Eh.

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                          • BATMON
                            Banned
                            • Oct 2010
                            • 1445

                            #88
                            Re: In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?

                            Originally posted by Dice
                            Oh yeah? Well, last 25 championship teams, 17 of them were the number 1 seed in their respective conference. I think the regular season has something to do with what happens in the playoffs.
                            Ive seen too many higher seeds get knocked to put any weight on thr regualer season.

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                            • bigfnjoe96
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Feb 2004
                              • 11410

                              #89
                              Re: In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?

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                              • Yeah...THAT Guy
                                Once in a Lifetime Memory
                                • Dec 2006
                                • 17294

                                #90
                                Re: In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?

                                Originally posted by BATMON
                                Ive seen too many higher seeds get knocked to put any weight on thr regualer season.
                                So 17/25 (the majority) of the past 25 champions have been the #1 seed but the #1 seed still gets knocked off too often? It's professional sports. There's 8 teams from each conference. The #1 seed can't win every single time. 17/25 means that the #1 team wins almost 70% of the time. That's a pretty high probability.
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