Eastern Conference Playoffs - First Round Discussion Thread

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Refs are going to make bad calls, its a part of the game man, it has been for a long time...thats why I dont understand "this is why I dont like the NBA NOW" Its BEEN this way. This isnt new. Its just what people decide to focus on now...

My mentality has always been that you play on.

Tim Duncan got some of the most ridiculous fouls called on him that ive seen the entire year yesterday, AT HOME. Completely changed the way he effected the game. Hows that for superstar treatment..

basketballs one of the toughest games to call, so even "at least be consistent" is easier said than done.

**** happens, play ball

Yep they make bad calls for sure

but to defend the inconsistency is wild man

and we know looking at a few years back that they've also done alot of shady crap as well, so I dont see how anyone can discount claims of inconsistentcy as I said when we know its there, and that has nothing to do with making bad calls, they're just purposely being terrible at their jobs for their reasons

[OSUFan_88]

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Which makes me ask, if you see a pattern of this happening all of the time, how can it just be human element only? Its like, we KNOW for a FACT that superstars get calls, yet we still say they dont show any bias or favortism and anyone saying anything about the refs are crazy.... REALLY?

The whole system is backwards. Complain about refs and you get a fine, but you are completely dead on.

I don't know, a lot of NBA fans have their heads in the sand when it comes to this, they just flatly don't want to hear it. Players get the benefit of the doubt or are allowed to bend the rules dependent on who they are or what jersey they have on. In a lot of ways, the NBA seems fabricated in that sense, in that the NBA just...nudges players into the scenario they want...

And sometimes not so subtle nudges *LeBron to Cleveland, Ewing to New York*

It's...I don't know. I don't want to say it's fixed, because, for the most part, it isn't. Or at least I haven't seen a fixed game since a certain LA-SAC game. I said, when it came down to the final minutes, I told my father that Boston would climb back, New York would choke it away, and Rey Allen would hit the dagger. I've seen before.

And some of that is because who they are and their talent. Obviously, we've seen Ray do that time and again in the NBA, and that's a genuine moment. Then you get moments like the Chokelo foul and the KG no call and...it just leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouths.

I sort of wish the players would blow the lid off the whole thing and expose David Stern and the NBA for what it is and that there are some, subtle, hidden agendas to push Superstars and Teams instead of allowing them to develop naturally.

The natural moments feel great. But almost all the time, the refs are there to put a bad taste in anyone's mouth. And this happens so many more times in basketball than it does in any other sport, it really puts the focus on it.

[videobastard]

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No man, it was a stupid shot among many that the Knicks were chucking up

As i said i dont agree with the shot attempt he took but i can understand him wanting to take a 3 pointer at that stage of the game. Im not speaking from the previous shots in the game.

[The 24th Letter]

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Yep they make bad calls for sure

but to defend the inconsistency is wild man

and we know looking at a few years back that they've also done alot of shady crap as well, so I dont see how anyone can discount claims of inconsistentcy as I said when we know its there, and that has nothing to do with making bad calls, they're just purposely being terrible at their jobs for their reasons

Its easy to say "be perfect" man (which is essentially calling the game with precise consistency).....but its not reality...

For instance: Ive seen that Perkins play (arm under net) from the OKC\DEN about 4-5 times this season...

I remember clear as day....the refs missed that call made against LA TWICE and once against MIA...

so did the refs suddenly decide that they dont "like" those teams anymore all the sudden? or did they just miss it?

[King_B_Mack]

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The game could have gone either way. KG definitely got away with something on that last play, but excuses should not be made about how the refs lost the game for the Knicks.

Making posts like that doesn't do justice to anyone or anything, because anyone with a pair of eyes saw what happened on that last play. The only reason for posting about the refs is to use it as an excuse. It literally serves no other purpose.

Like I said, the game could have gone either way, but the Celtics turned it on in the second half.

Actually the purpose it serves is being apart of a game discussion. I know you and David Stern would like for everyone to see the refs **** up and then just shut up about it and not say anything as if it didn't happen, but that's just not gonna happen. No one is whining about it. I'm a Bulls fan, I couldn't give two ****s about the Knicks or the Celtics so I have no reason to make excuses for anybody, however I'm a basketball fan and a good game, yet again was ruined by piss poor officiating in an NBA game. As was pointed out, if they didn't call the ticky tact thing on Melo at the other end of the court then not calling that play on the other end is fine. Too often we see ticky tact stuff get called and then a second later a near assualt is let go.

It's like a cop walking the beat and sees you reach out and pinch someone and immediately he pulls out his nightstick, clubs you in the head and arrests you for assualt before then going back out onto the street and look right at a guy pull out a bat and beat the hell out of someone only to keep walking right past it whistling a tune as if he didn't see a thing.

All people wanna see is some sort of rhyme or reason to when something is acceptable and when it's not. Players shouldn't have to be mind readers to know when a ref is going to suddenly decide something they've done all year/game suddenly isn't acceptable and when something that is pretty much not acceptable suddenly got written into the rulebook.

[Moses Shuttlesworth]

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It's something that a lot of Cs fans don't want to admit

I actually think it's more along the lines of not recognizing it. You see Celtics fans complaining about the officials all the time (just like all other fans) and if they actually *knew* (I say this with reluctance because I don't know how true it is) that the Celtics got some special home cooking, they would surely be hesitant to continue complaining about officials.

It's all part of being a fan of your team. It's how the brain works. You are happy when your team gets a call that is questionable, for example an and-1 on a tick-tack foul, but the opposition thinks it's complete BS. You don't see that because you are overzealous with joy. All you are thinking is, "Nice! AND-1 BABY!"

Just as when your team wins because they play great offense and blow the other team out, the opposition sees it as their team lost because they played horrible defense.

It's a circle of life just like everything else, yet everyone tries to convince you that you are wrong.

We are essentially blinded, unless we are completely 100% unbiased. But that is rare.

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I dont understand taking a 3 in that situation, nor at the time he took it, nor did he even look for an open teammates which there was one open right at the top of the key wide open. Melo is better than that man all the way around



OSU, yeah that definitely is the feeling.. the whole natural feel of the moment is not really that. if they arent trying to manufacture some rivalry that isnt there, or continuing to put up a certain player even if he keeps doing low bball IQ things such as Melo in the above scenario.

[The 24th Letter]

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I actually think it's more along the lines of not recognizing it. You see Celtics fans complaining about the officials all the time (just like all other fans) and if they actually *knew* (I say this with reluctance because I don't know how true it is) that the Celtics got some special home cooking, they would surely be hesitant to continue complaining about officials.

It's all part of being a fan of your team. It's how the brain works. You are happy when your team gets a call that is questionable, for example an and-1 on a tick-tack foul, but the opposition thinks it's complete BS. You don't see that because you are overzealous. All you are thinking is, "Nice! AND-1 BABY!"

Just as when your team wins because they play great offense and blow the other team out, the opposition sees it as their team lost because they played horrible defense.

It's a circle of life just like everything else, yet everyone tries to convince you that you are wrong.

We are essentially blinded, unless we are completely 100% unbiased. But that is rare.

I agree with you here LOL

Case in point: There were so many post about Rose getting phantom calls during the CHI\IND game...

I saw no one with a Bulls avatar agreeing lol...

Nature of the game..

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Its easy to say "be perfect" man (which is essentially calling the game with precise consistency).....but its not reality...

For instance: Ive seen that Perkins play (arm under net) from the OKC\DEN about 4-5 times this season...

I remember clear as day....the refs missed that call made against LA TWICE and once against MIA...

so did the refs suddenly decide that they dont "like" those teams anymore all the sudden? or did they just miss it?

I dont know anything about liking a team or not, Im not in here making those claims, you've got me wrong.

I said they're inconsistent and its not always human error as to why they are

I also said we know they purposely give certain players calls and let them do certain things they're quick to tag others for and thats another true fact we all know happens

Asking for some consistency is not asking for perfection, its asking for things to be as they should be. Some games are full of freaking whistles and it gets boring as heck slowing the game down over and over, while others are just the opposite of that depending on the moods of the refs and which ones are there. Its not something I can sit here and see how anyone can defend that

[videobastard]

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I dont understand taking a 3 in that situation, nor at the time he took it, nor did he even look for an open teammates which there was one open right at the top of the key wide open. Melo is better than that man all the way around

Melo wanted to be the hero in that situation. That was obvious. Its not a matter of what he should of done or did not do. Im just saying with all that went on leading to that situation i understand why he took the shot he did right or wrong.

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Melo wanted to be the hero in that situation. That was obvious. Its not a matter of what he should of done or did not do. Im just saying with all that went on leading to that situation i understand why he took the shot he did right or wrong.

No matter what went on, it was a bad decision period

[Moses Shuttlesworth]

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I am worried Tony D will step up big in Chauncey's absence. When that kid gets hot, he gets red hot. Although streaky, he's quick, can defend, and can shoot from the perimeter. I don't know what to make of Chauncey's injury.

Well, should be a good one.

[videobastard]

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No matter what went on, it was a bad decision period

It definitely was. He got caught in moment and felt he had to be the one.

[Vast]

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Actually the purpose it serves is being apart of a game discussion. I know you and David Stern would like for everyone to see the refs **** up and then just shut up about it and not say anything as if it didn't happen, but that's just not gonna happen. No one is whining about it. I'm a Bulls fan, I couldn't give two ****s about the Knicks or the Celtics so I have no reason to make excuses for anybody, however I'm a basketball fan and a good game, yet again was ruined by piss poor officiating in an NBA game. As was pointed out, if they didn't call the ticky tact thing on Melo at the other end of the court then not calling that play on the other end is fine. Too often we see ticky tact stuff get called and then a second later a near assualt is let go.

It's like a cop walking the beat and sees you reach out and pinch someone and immediately he pulls out his nightstick, clubs you in the head and arrests you for assualt before then going back out onto the street and look right at a guy pull out a bat and beat the hell out of someone only to keep walking right past it whistling a tune as if he didn't see a thing.

All people wanna see is some sort of rhyme or reason to when something is acceptable and when it's not. Players shouldn't have to be mind readers to know when a ref is going to suddenly decide something they've done all year/game suddenly isn't acceptable and when something that is pretty much not acceptable suddenly got written into the rulebook.

Great great post. I couldn't agree with you more.

All i ask is to let the players decide the outcome. The refs should step in when a clear violation is made.

Paul Pierce was all up in Melos armpit. Is melo not allowed to clear space with his tricep?
Crucial possession taken away from the Knicks.

Next possession on a game winning shot by Ray; KG is allowed to flying roundhouse sweep Toney Douglas to give him an open look?

Its not cool. I'm not making excuses, but i'm also not gonna turn a blind eye to what is happening.

Celtics are the better team they don't need the refs help.

[BATMON]

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It would be nice to talk basketball instead of the usual blame a Ref cliches.